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Clemson13 said:
That seems really high to me, I've always been certain that teachers don't get paid that well.

Yeah, you can make 70k here with a master's after 20yr exp.....or you can go make 2-3x that with only a bachelor's in 10 yr exp
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My wife is a teacher in Anderson County with eight years experience and her masters. She will continuously complain about the low pay. But considering she got the summers off, worked an 8 to 3 day, and never brought anything home. She was pulling in more per hours than I was. :homer:
 
Splib said:
I dont understand the last sentence. Performance shouldn't be based on kids, it should be based on standardized testing results. Was that what you meant ?

In a theoretical scenario, with vouchers and private school choice, "Performance" could be a commodity and subject to supply and demand. This would allow higher teacher compensation and weed out a shit ton of slackers and rip offs.
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standardized test only work for kids who care how well they do. lets take my 3 kids as a tiny sample size
#1 - likes learning, school work comes fairly easy, brain processes things methodically, homework is a 30 minute ordeal, no need for redirection to remain on task, cares about performance
#2 - like socializing, brain processing is all over place, has good insights, constantly has to be redirected to remain on task, homework takes 2-3x as long as it should, no care in the world about performance
#3 - like learning, needs constant affirmation on what is being done, homework takes ~45mins, unsure on performance

my wife gets kids that are good to go and up to speed, then shell get a few years of kids who are at a kinder level in middle school. its very much a cycle. everyone learns and processes differently so you have a kid who get a crappy teacher at that inflection point and they miss that bump to the next level, then they fall behind. toss in the fact they are constantly changing 'learning strategies' and performance is all over the place. lastly the social and economic variety that schools capture make a huge difference, in learning and life.

im not sure how i feel about vouchers, no real way to prevent schools from 'selecting' high performers and then you end up with schools with crappy teachers.

education has morphed into the bureaucratic machine that is broken and i dont have any good ideas on how to fix it short of blowing the whole thing up and moving back to just doing grade school where you learn basic math, spelling, grammar, the scientific method and local history. then sending people out into the world to figure life out. european countries, weed out the no performers and send them to trade school. on the surface that kinda makes sense but it reinforces the social cast system, which is our mobility within society to do what we want at anytime is what makes America, America.
 
Weird. Bangin teachers thread morphed into teach dont get paid enough thread.

Teacher pay is controlled by Teacher union and the related socialism controls. Exactly what they voted for, and continue to vote for. Much of it is top down from the stupid Dept of Edu that does little more than create more and more administrative costs in schools. The whole system has been bumping up against a glass ceiling since around the 80s. Normally, free market solves the problem of low pay by people leaving an industry until employers wise up and raise salaries to attract them back. When all the pay structures are rigid (see the pay charts earlier in the thread) then there is no way to entice better staff, reward those that excel or adjust to market shortfalls on staff. The system has fukkered itself and the real solution is nearly impossible: dump all federal level edu oversight, ban teach unions, restructure teaching pay structures to a reward/bonus/incentive for effort/capability, place proper management responsibility/empowerment with the principals to regularly review teacher performance rather than relying on standardized testing results, etc. BUT, for that to really be effective, it will take time for the members of the current system to retrain themselves to such a system that trades away job security for increased opportunity. That really takes longer than most would believe.

meanwhile, teachers will continue to get paid mediocre salaries with massive benefits and nearly no chance of job loss and still bitch and moan that they arent appreciated cause the TV/social media/etc keeps telling them they are underappreciated.
 
DWT said:
Teachers don't get paid enough, they never have. My niece got her master's during covid and landed a prime spot in our area. I make more than her having never done any formal learning post highschool and I just fix trucks and equipment, she shapes minds for the future.
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Was gonna say it's highly location-dependent, but...
Tin Roof said:
Our teachers with a masters make about $70-80k/yr plus a really good pension for working 8-9 months a year in an area where the median household income is $43k/yr. Tell her to shop around and relocate if necessary.
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It was covered
arse_sidewards said:
Supply and demand.

Every ditzy bitch wants to have a job where you get to "work with kids" and "get summers off" and it shows in the barriers to entry and the pay.
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This is true.

The last place I dug into it was in El Paso, when the teacher were talking strike claiming they were underpaid. At the time, a fresh college grad starting in the local district with no teaching cert would make 108% of the city's median HOUSEHOLD income their first school year (209% of median individual income).

Two people that are ballers who play broke: Teachers and farmers.:flipoff2:
 
MigGunslinger said:
I don't understand why pay scale is so directly tied to the education level of the teacher. What value does it add at K-12? Maybe if you had a degree in a specialty like math or science I would get that paying better. Seems like basing pay on responsibility and results would be better but I'm sure that would not go over well.:lmao:

I guess it's like when I bid an office for an insurance company and I find out that their insurance requirements are off the charts for their contractors. Are we teaching students or creating an education pipeline?
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to create a self perpetuating cycle, IMHO.
 
My sister in law teaches. In a nice district. She complained about their pay. We had a good chat about it and I asked her how much she thinks she deserved to be paid for the level of responsibility, education, hours, etc. Her number was at the 6 digit mark or so.

I explained to her that there are police working rotating shift, holiday and weekend hours who make less than she currently does, and her expectations of the police are higher... Her 'out' was teachers having a better education. I also reminded her that soldiers who we ask to go to war and leave their families here make less. Again, she had an out of 'they signed up for it'.

Ladies and gentlemen, many, if not all of us, think we are deserving of more. The truth is salary rarely fairly reflects the education needed, or responsibilities required to perform the task. It has more to do with that job market and how quickly the industry can change its scale and demand.


Going back to the original story... If you care to keep reading, here is my take on it.

This has been going on for ages. We are just now being made more aware. Underage males having sex with female teachers was not always seen as predatory by some parents nor the law. The claim was 'a male could not be raped if he was a willing participant.'

Being a teacher draws people from different backgrounds, but something that seems 'off' or 'odd' to me are the ones who want acceptance from certain student groups... That drive for acceptance seems like they are trying to relive their years in the same environment, but as a younger person. They want the popular boys to like them.

Like a weird level of sexual immaturity, at least for the female teachers. Pedophile, yes. But as noted in the article. She was always there, even off shift, to invoke some level of involvement and acceptance. Not necessarily a predatory action.... but read more into it.

If a person was wanting to sort of 'profile' the female teachers who act in this way, this would be a starting point....
 
Rattlecan said:
I explained to her that there are police working rotating shift, holiday and weekend hours who make less than she currently does, and her expectations of the police are higher... Her 'out' was teachers having a better education.
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You missed an opportunity here... a good number of police departments (namely state police, but some smaller departments as well) now require a bachelor's degree to apply.:laughing:

Example: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/msp/jo...ooper-careers/Documents/LETO Posting 2023.pdf
 
DRTDEVL said:
You missed an opportunity here... a good number of police departments (namely state police, but some smaller departments as well) now require a bachelor's degree to apply.:laughing:
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That used to be the case.
It's not any longer as numbers are declining for prospective members.
 
rockota said:
Don’t even need to be a citizen, let alone have a degree
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I have issues with that.

While it means more to some than others, the oath of a police officer is sworn to the Constitution. Is that the same for a person who is not a citizen?
 
mobil1syn said:
you aint getting 6-figures in a small town
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Ok. Guess the state of CA website that shows salaries is lying to me for some reason.
Enjoy your version of reality and I'll stay within mine that has actual proof 100%.
 
Yota Up said:
Ok. Guess the state of CA website that shows salaries is lying to me for some reason.
Enjoy your version of reality and I'll stay within mine that has actual proof 100%.
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Tin Roof said:
I don’t think it’s as much political as it is that we are just scraping the bottom of the barrel for teacher positions. It’s tough to find teachers because people are just simply not choosing it as a career. It took our district 2 years to fill a high school science position and that’s with competitive pay and crediting them for years service at other districts so they bumped up the pay schedule. We’ve filled a dozen other positions over the last few years due to retirement or teachers quitting the profession and each position was tough to fill due to little or no applicants. A lot of older teachers also quit or retired during Covid so we are left with whatever we can find.
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I know someone who teacher 3rd grade.

they have a one kid in their class that constantly causes disruptions , yells, hits other kids etc.
and the teacher cant touch the kid, cant disipline the kid, cant do anything with the kid,
the kid is autistic or something, and needs to be in special ed, but the parents refuse, and the school cant put kids in special ed classes if the parents wont sign off on it.

she desperately tried to get a transfer to the librarian position so she wouldnt have to deal with this kid anymore.
back when i was in school, this would have been handled by the teacher dishing out spankings as needed, or putting the kid in special ed with or without the parents agreement.
 
roundhouse said:
back when i was in school, this would have been handled by the teacher dishing out spankings as needed, or putting the kid in special ed with or without the parents agreement.
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I wanna say around 3rd grade, a kid went after another kid in class.Teachers aid stepped in an the fight was on. Ms Mangold werent no slouch but that kid was fresh off the rez, an he was fuckin pissed:lmao:

Ms Mangold werent fuckin around, she gave what she got.

By far one of the best fights I have ever watched.:grinpimp:
 
roundhouse said:
back when i was in school, this would have been handled by the teacher dishing out spankings as needed, or putting the kid in special ed with or without the parents agreement.
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Yep, I still remember the start of 5th grade my dad telling the principal and teacher they had his permission to spank me and to make sure they let him know so he could get any spots they might have missed when I got home.:eek:
 
shortbus4x4 said:
Yep, I still remember the start of 5th grade my dad telling the principal and teacher they had his permission to spank me and to make sure they let him know so he could get any spots they might have missed when I got home.:eek:
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I would get sent to the office and my Aunt was the first person you had to talk to. Call your parents? Yea they just dialed her extension, mom worked at the school too:homer: I couldnt get away with shit
 
Tin Roof said:
They rely on the kids to test at their actual ability and not just go through the motions. Also, sometimes you just get a bad class year that’s either half retarded or don’t give a shit. Doesn’t necessarily mean the teacher is shitty



School choice will definitely be a win from the standpoint of forcing public schools to work to retain students and forcing staff to perform.
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Standardized testing is easily gamed by teachers if they so choose. They literally can teach whats going to be on the test and not waste effort of the filler. Its been done and is even happening now but in a way of Teacher: “I’m making sure they are able to go into the next grade” Me: “Shouldn’t you make sure they understand this grades material?” Teacher: “I’m making sure they are ready for the next grade.”
That’s no different that teaching them to pass a test.
 
Steve300xcw said:
I wanna say around 3rd grade, a kid went after another kid in class.Teachers aid stepped in an the fight was on. Ms Mangold werent no slouch but that kid was fresh off the rez, an he was fuckin pissed:lmao:

Ms Mangold werent fuckin around, she gave what she got.

By far one of the best fights I have ever watched.:grinpimp:
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First grade with Sister Mary Matthew. Watched that Navajo sister back hand my best friend out of his chair onto tbe floor for something I had done to the catechism. Made a believer out of the whole room!!!!
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Standardized testing is easily gamed by teachers if they so choose. They literally can teach whats going to be on the test and not waste effort of the filler. Its been done and is even happening now but in a way of Teacher: “I’m making sure they are able to go into the next grade” Me: “Shouldn’t you make sure they understand this grades material?” Teacher: “I’m making sure they are ready for the next grade.”
That’s no different that teaching them to pass a test.
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Do you know that this isn't actually true. lol

I tend to stay outta these threads in which everyone seemingly knows my job better than I do even though I am 19 years in but I will take the bait and call bullshit. There was a time when this was not that hard and probably true for a lot of people.

Today, "literally can teach whats going to be on the test" is impossible. At least in California and other Common Core/Smarter Balance states. Can't speak to those states that are on other platforms. Not really sure.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Standardized testing is easily gamed by teachers if they so choose. They literally can teach whats going to be on the test and not waste effort of the filler. Its been done and is even happening now but in a way of Teacher: “I’m making sure they are able to go into the next grade” Me: “Shouldn’t you make sure they understand this grades material?” Teacher: “I’m making sure they are ready for the next grade.”
That’s no different that teaching them to pass a test.
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There are not cheat sheets for our standardized testing. Preparing for what’s on the test is really them doing their jobs….
 
roundhouse said:
I know someone who teaches 3rd grade. They have a one kid in their class that constantly causes disruptions, yells, hits other kids etc...
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Doesn't the school district call the police/child protective services to deal with incorrigibles nowadays?

roundhouse said:
back when i was in school, this would have been handled by the teacher dishing out spankings as needed, or putting the kid in special ed with or without the parents agreement.
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True dat- :laughing:
 
det107 said:
Doesn't the school district call the police/child protective services to deal with incorrigibles nowadays?
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Not rural schools. Ours calls the parents and tells them that since we can’t do anything to fix their asshole kids they need to or we kick them out. In the last 10 years I’ve only seen police at our school to investigate a bomb threat, rape allegations against a student, and a case of a teacher’s titty pics getting distributed over social media
 
mobil1syn said:
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Transparent California

Search California public, government employee, workers salaries, pensions and compensation
transparentcalifornia.com transparentcalifornia.com

Click county and scroll down a bit and you'll see teachers, 2nd grade or PE, making over $100,000 plus benefits.

Quick example. Sac City unified.
Lead school nurse. $127,431.80 + $52,495.43 for total of $179,927.23.
Teacher, high school. total pay $171,720.79
Teacher, middle school. total pay $159,057.63

Now if you stray into other areas with more money(like bay area) the numbers get even bigger.
 
Yota Up said:

Transparent California

Search California public, government employee, workers salaries, pensions and compensation
transparentcalifornia.com transparentcalifornia.com

Click county and scroll down a bit and you'll see teachers, 2nd grade or PE, making over $100,000 plus benefits.

Quick example. Sac City unified.
Lead school nurse. $127,431.80 + $52,495.43 for total of $179,927.23.
Teacher, high school. total pay $171,720.79
Teacher, middle school. total pay $159,057.63

Now if you stray into other areas with more money(like bay area) the numbers get even bigger.
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And cost of living makes it feel like you’re making 1/2 that
 
Bogus One said:
And cost of living makes it feel like you’re making 1/2 that
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When I was young and moved out on my own, I had choices.
I could live where rent was low and jobs paid low, or I could live where rent was double and pay was double.

I chose double rent and double pay, because the leftover money would be greater in the end. More risk, though. Got to be able to hold down a job or you'll be out on your ass in no time.
 
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