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I'm just sick of people spewing shit, if they're actually unreliable, I'd like to know so I can sell ours :laughing:

But like I said, when it comes down to it, it's just hearsay.
early truck coyotes had a hit or miss problem with MASSIVE oil consumption. they're all fucked in early production :flipoff2:
 
early truck coyotes had a hit or miss problem with MASSIVE oil consumption. they're all fucked in early production :flipoff2:

That's every story of eb problems too, 2011 or 2012. You think maybe they mad le improvements during 12 years of production? :laughing:

I've said it before but the internet lives to hate fords. Meanwhile a hemi is eating its valve train and an LS is having whatever dod issues they have and everyone ignores it :laughing:
 
That's every story of eb problems too, 2011 or 2012. You think maybe they mad le improvements during 12 years of production? :laughing:

I've said it before but the internet lives to hate fords. Meanwhile a hemi is eating its valve train and an LS is having whatever dod issues they have and everyone ignores it :laughing:
"Listen bro, LS are great bro, all you gotta do is change the camshaft and lifters and block an oil passage and reprogram it then its better than anything Ford ever did bro"
 
Might be pushing the budget depending on the year, but the Suburban/Yukon XL Denali/Escalade might be worth looking at. The 6.2 was hard to come by in the Chevy's, but standard in the Denail & Escalade. The '10 speed came out in ;18; we have an '18 Yukon Denali (not the XL, Tahoe size). We haven't towed anything with it, but I really like the motor and trans combo. They had an 8 speed before the 10 speed that reportedly doesn't shift great. I'm not sure what the tow rating is on the XL, I think ours is ~7500 lbs. (wasn't a big consideration for us, we use my pickup for towing).

I will second that the newer Ford cabs are huge in the back seat, they feel at least as roomy as my Mega Cab dodge (just lacking the space behind the rear seat).
This is what I have. 2013 Escalade with the 6.2. The escalade was cheaper than any yukon or tahoe, because people who want escalades want new ones. My 1-ton swapped land cruiser on a 16' flat deck is right at the towing limit. I tow very infrequently, so its a calculated risk that I am taking.
 
This is what I have. 2013 Escalade with the 6.2. The escalade was cheaper than any yukon or tahoe, because people who want escalades want new ones.
We bought our '18 in '21, and noticed something similar. My wife wanted the loaded version (it's her car), which meant Tahoe Premier, Yukon Denali, or Escalade. They were all priced similarly, even though the Escalades originally stickered for more. She preferred the styling of the Yukon, so that's what we bought.

The only way to get the 6.2 & 10 speed in the Tahoe (for the '18-'20 models we were looking at) was in the Premier (top of the line), but most of the Premiers we saw had the 5.3 & 6 speed. The 5.3 & 6 speed is fine for our use, but if I'm paying that much for the car anyway (to get the loaded model), I wanted the 6.2 & 10 speed, too. The 6.2 Tahoe's didn't seem to be going for more money, they were just harder to fine. I still smile every time I put my foot into it.
 
That's every story of eb problems too, 2011 or 2012. You think maybe they mad le improvements during 12 years of production? :laughing:

I've said it before but the internet lives to hate fords. Meanwhile a hemi is eating its valve train and an LS is having whatever dod issues they have and everyone ignores it :laughing:
The internet is full of fucking idiots.

I know 3-4 people who threw in a junkyard Ls and damn near immediately grenaded it with no oil pressure. Depending on the LS you get, some oil pans don’t do well at angles and you lose oil pressure. “But everyone says I threw in a 400k mile LS and bang the rev limiter for hours and it’s fine”

I know a guy who drifts, nice guy, has a ton of money in his “junkyard 5.3” forged internals, boost, cam, stroker kit, the list goes on. It’s not cheap….a mutual friend is bragging to others on his success on how it’s “just a junkyard LS” sure, it did come from a junkyard, but it’s FAR from a junkyard motor.

7.3s are Fucking slow and CANT make any power. I join a ford forum, there are plenty of guys making stupid power, you just have to have a much bigger bank account to make the 7.3 make the same power a 5.9 does when hopped up.

“Ford trucks fucking suck. I always see them on the side of the road dead” yeah the 6.0 and 6.4 do in fact suck but from a pure numbers standpoint there are a fuck load more of them out there when you factor in fleets.

I looked up ford, Chevy and ram truck sales, ford sells a fuck load more, naturally, you will see more dead.

I can keep going with the examples, I’m not a die hard brand loyalist. There are certain brands I refuse to buy in certain time periods.

I refuse to own a GM vehicle made after 2010ish. They are fucking garbage in my opinion. Pre 2007, GM is a go to in my opinion. I’d never own a late 90s early 2000s ram but I’d own a 2020 ram. While somewhat irrelevant, I guess I’m just mentioning that for validity of that I’m not some blow hard who only likes 1 brand.

But the older I get the more I see someone on internet makes a statement and now they all die on that hill defending it.

Admittedly, I trust irate more than anywhere else.
 
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What's thier experience?



How is it high strung? They will pull at a much lower rpm than an equivalent V8 with double the displacement.

Hurdur, can't replace muh John deere:homer:

Wtf does that have to do with pulling a car trailer? No where did anyone suggest an ecoboost for towing every single day. For exactly what the op asked about, it would be a great fit. Imo, they are just as reliable as the same Era V8s from my experience and everything I've read.
I’ve got 180k on the 2013 F150 my wife mostly drives. Max tow and heavy payload packages. Tows a three horse gooseneck just fine maybe ten or twelve times a year. Still chugging along just fine.

For that matter my granddad had 250k on one when he totaled it and we took his license away. Pulled a bunch of random stuff on an 18’ bumper pull.
 
The internet is full of fucking idiots.

I know 3-4 people who threw in a junkyard Ls and damn near immediately grenaded it with no oil pressure. Depending on the LS you get, some oil pans don’t do well at angles and you lose oil pressure. “But everyone says I threw in a 400k mile LS and bang the rev limiter for hours and it’s fine”

I know a guy who drifts, nice guy, has a ton of money in his “junkyard 5.3” forged internals, boost, cam, stroker kit, the list goes on. It’s not cheap….a mutual friend is bragging to others on his success on how it’s “just a junkyard LS” sure, it did come from a junkyard, but it’s FAR from a junkyard motor.

7.3s are Fucking slow and CANT make any power. I join a ford forum, there are plenty of guys making stupid power, you just have to have a much bigger bank account to make the 7.3 make the same power a 5.9 does when hopped up.

“Ford trucks fucking suck. I always see them on the side of the road dead” yeah the 6.0 and 6.4 do in fact suck but from a pure numbers standpoint there are a fuck load more of them out there when you factor in fleets.

I looked up ford, Chevy and ram truck sales, ford sells a fuck load more, naturally, you will see more dead.

I can keep going with the examples, I’m not a die hard brand loyalist. There are certain brands I refuse to buy in certain time periods.

I refuse to own a GM vehicle made after 2010ish. They are fucking garbage in my opinion. Pre 2007, GM is a go to in my opinion. I’d never own a late 90s early 2000s ram but I’d own a 2020 ram. While somewhat irrelevant, I guess I’m just mentioning that for validity of that I’m not some blow hard who only likes 1 brand.

But the older I get the more I someone on internet makes a statement and now they all die on that hill defending it.

Admittedly, I trust irate more than anywhere else.

I agree with all of this.

You should make a You tube channel about 3.5eb swapping your F550 and break the internet :laughing::flipoff2:
 
I'm just sick of people spewing shit, if they're actually unreliable, I'd like to know so I can sell ours :laughing:

But like I said, when it comes down to it, it's just hearsay.

FWIW, I've never seen a EcoBoost make it to 200k without major issues. Whether it be the retarded timing chain/phasers setup, trans, turbos, etc.

They're phenomenal <150k, after that its borrowed time.

for every person who says they're EcoBoost made it 300k on stock spark plugs. Theres the guy who shelled one out at 50k going to the dealer for everything.
 
FWIW, I've never seen a EcoBoost make it to 200k without major issues. Whether it be the retarded timing chain/phasers setup, trans, turbos, etc.

They're phenomenal <150k, after that its borrowed time.

for every person who says they're EcoBoost made it 300k on stock spark plugs. Theres the guy who shelled one out at 50k going to the dealer for everything.

I don't see how a $3k timing chain job at 150-200k is such a crazy issue? Most 7.3s (since that's what it was compared to) need injectors at 200-250k which is a more expensive job if you're paying a shop.
 
I don't see how a $3k timing chain job at 150-200k is such a crazy issue? Most 7.3s (since that's what it was compared to) need injectors at 200-250k which is a more expensive job if you're paying a shop.

Theres inherent design flaws, and theres lack of maintenance/age.
 
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I don't see how a $3k timing chain job at 150-200k is such a crazy issue? Most 7.3s (since that's what it was compared to) need injectors at 200-250k which is a more expensive job if you're paying a shop.
My dads got timing chains at 130 and 180
 
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After reading this, thinking about what I need, rereading all of this, and realizing how right y'all are, I am going to have to punt. There's nothing out there that checks all boxes for the rig I am wanting to build. I can do a smaller rig, but it's not what I'm wanting.

Would be nice to grab something that can tow my rig, but not going to shop for a car for just that point. It opens up several more options, but honestly the suburban and expedition still lead the way due to space. We loved our 02 suburban, stupid drunk driver hit and run totalled it, but that space was awesome! And the wife liked it and driving it, so it's a win there too.
 
After reading this, thinking about what I need, rereading all of this, and realizing how right y'all are, I am going to have to punt. There's nothing out there that checks all boxes for the rig I am wanting to build. I can do a smaller rig, but it's not what I'm wanting.

Would be nice to grab something that can tow my rig, but not going to shop for a car for just that point. It opens up several more options, but honestly the suburban and expedition still lead the way due to space. We loved our 02 suburban, stupid drunk driver hit and run totalled it, but that space was awesome! And the wife liked it and driving it, so it's a win there too.
The crew cab shortbed 250/350 has mostly replaced the large suv as a tow rig. It’s a shame but it is what it is. You could probably correlate the downfall of our society with the cancellation of truck based Broncos and K5’s and the inevitable need to make suburbans and expeditions ride like cars. Basically, if Ford had kept a solid front axle in the third gen Bronco and added a third row of seats, we wouldn’t be beset with trannies and pronouns today. Or maybe they’d have done so if it weren’t for all the trannies and pronouns. I dunno.
 
The crew cab shortbed 250/350 has mostly replaced the large suv as a tow rig. It’s a shame but it is what it is.

You're not wrong. Looking through tow rig threads it's all crew cab trucks, older SUVs sprinkled in like excursions, GMT400 Suburban 2500s, etc, or the occasional MDT.

Wanting something newer, sticks me in the crew cab world for towing capacity.
You could probably correlate the downfall of our society with the cancellation of truck based Broncos and K5’s and the inevitable need to make suburbans and expeditions ride like cars. Basically, if Ford had kept a solid front axle in the third gen Bronco and added a third row of seats, we wouldn’t be beset with trannies and pronouns today. Or maybe they’d have done so if it weren’t for all the trannies and pronouns. I dunno.
I'm not saying you're wrong, because that timeline lines up. Is the new Bronco Ford's way of trying to right the wrong? :laughing:
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, because that timeline lines up. Is the new Bronco Ford's way of trying to right the wrong? :laughing:
Maybe, but Caesar had long since passed that Rubicon and we’re on whatever road to hell it is that we find ourselves on. I’ve got a ‘21 4 door Bronco that I like for hauling my kids around and an extended cab flatbed F350 for anything else. That’s my suggestion, find a way to do it with two vehicles you like and make somebody else drive one so that you can split up your family time combinations.
 
What I would do is buy a GMT800 Yukon XL with quadrasteer and use the money saved over a newer rig to refresh it the way you want. I know a guy with one and it is great to tow with :stirthepot:
 
You need this:

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Read the warranty information for any Ecoboost you're looking at. My cam phasers were done under warranty. I think they extended it to 80k.

I've 58k on mine. Happy with it.
 
After reading this, thinking about what I need, rereading all of this, and realizing how right y'all are, I am going to have to punt. There's nothing out there that checks all boxes for the rig I am wanting to build. I can do a smaller rig, but it's not what I'm wanting.

Would be nice to grab something that can tow my rig, but not going to shop for a car for just that point. It opens up several more options, but honestly the suburban and expedition still lead the way due to space. We loved our 02 suburban, stupid drunk driver hit and run totalled it, but that space was awesome! And the wife liked it and driving it, so it's a win there too.
It sounds like what you need most is a Tahoe or a Suburban. You could find the newest one you like, buy it, give it an actual try and see if it does everything just the way you need it to. If not, sell it and try something else.

I’m the oldest of 5 and grew up with a dad who raced all over the country. We traveled all 7 us a couple thousand miles a weekend in some not ideal vehicles. The mental impact of being cramped for space for 12 hours at a time seems to have affected all 5 of us kids exactly the same. For many years us kids rode in the cab over camper on the back of a single cab Ford. Then dad switched to a single cab dodge with a camper shell and one of those carpeted camper shell kits. The best times traveling were when we had Econoline Vans.

Collectively we all look back on our childhoods fondly with the exception of our traveling accommodations. All 5 of us have in our driveways the vehicles now that we wish our parents had when we were kids and traveling a lot. I DD a 1 ton 7 passenger SUV (like a suburban but better). Little sis has an Eddie Bauer excursion. Brothers have crew cabs and SUV’s. We’ll all never get crammed together uncomfortably for hours on end again. And before the peanut gallery wants to jump my shit for complaining about being inconvenienced for a while. I’m not exaggerating when I say we have at least 200k miles of travel time riding in the bed the bed of a single cab truck. I did my time, fawk off.
 
It sounds like what you need most is a Tahoe or a Suburban. You could find the newest one you like, buy it, give it an actual try and see if it does everything just the way you need it to. If not, sell it and try something else.

And before the peanut gallery wants to jump my shit for complaining about being inconvenienced for a while. I’m not exaggerating when I say we have at least 200k miles of travel time riding in the bed the bed of a single cab truck. I did my time, fawk off.

I can't say enough good things about a suburban as a family tow rig. We love ours.

With what's available on the market today, there's no reason to cram the family in a little truck. Other than the "that's how I did it 40 years ago" crowd. My 14yo suburban can tow anything I need it to, and I can haul the grandkids around in comfort. Or take all 4 of my kids (3 are adults) on a snowmobile trip and be comfortable on a 6+ hour drive.
 
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I can't say enough good things about a suburban as a family tow rig. We love ours.

With what's available on the market today, there's no reason to cram the family in a little truck. Other than the "that's how I did it 40 years ago" crowd. My 14yo suburban can tow anything I need it to, and I can haul the grandkids around in comfort. Or take all 4 of my kids (3 are adults) on a snowmobile trip and be comfortable on a 6+ hour drive.
I grew up around people doing the exact same thing my dad was doing. I was always envious of the kids who’s dad was hauling them around in a Suburban. My dads best friend had 6 children and hauled them around in a Scottsdale Suburban with 4 rows of seats. I loved getting to ride in it occasionally, so much room for activities.
 
My son has been wanting to overland in his excursion. He is single, him and dog. Has a rooftop tent which is worn out.

He is looking at Vans now. We are talking about converting one to 4x4. trying to find a E-350 with 7.3 diesel.

But they are super cheap. If you want a project, might be worth looking at.

We had talked a few times about getting a conversion van just for road trips. There are a ton of them out there with low miles that have some pretty comfy seating in them.
 
This is my experience, a 7.3/4speed is not as good tow platform as we remember.
I agree and see it all the time on Facebook posts with guys who just bought their first diesel. They usually say I was told diesels will pull anything but it’s slow!!! I have no towing experience with the ecoboost but people do over hype the old 7.3s. Doing some mods goes a long way like bigger injectors and a turbo make them much more enjoyable.

With that said, I would guess towing 10-11k or under with f150 ecoboost will do much better compared to a stock 7.3. There probably is a point of no return where if you’re towing 15k plus the ecoboost won’t be happy, probably pull timing for duty cycle, get hot, etc. while the 7.3 will just slowly chug along without issue. I can’t say that with confidence but it’s a hunch.
 
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