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Talk to me about 1/2 ton trucks

I'd honestly only do the diesel if I absolutely needed it. My 6.2 does fine hauling the L series Kubota and loaded down with firewood. I'm not winning any races, and I don't haul everyday, but I'm happy with it. When I was shopping, a 3/4T isn't that much more than a half ton. Actually, the deal I scored on my truck was the same price as an F150.

Those diesels are no joke though. Set you right back into your seat. :eek:

Same on the diesel. I test drove both Cummins and 6.7 equipped trucks. While nice, I really don’t need the added towing ability, expenses, and weight of a diesel. Plus, I’m too cheap to spend what they want for one. Before the Ram I had a 2010 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0. It got the job done, but it was lucky to get 13 mpg on the highway. Normal driving was more in the 9-11 range. I lost my fuelly data when upgrading phones, but the Chevy 2500 cost me around $0.25/ mile, the Ram was around the same, and my current 1/2 ton is around $0.11/mile
 
I would love to be able to have a 1/2 ton again. I need my 3/4 ton diesel to pull my toys. But I also do a lot of road tripping empty in my 3/4 ton diesel wasting it’s miles. Can’t afford to have both. Never needed a car in my life. So I prefer the cushy half tons for road tripping. I’d do another CC 5.0 10 speed half ton Ford in a heartbeat. I’ve put a couple hundred thousand miles on the newer 1/2 tons and love them. I’ve had 1/2 ton dodge and GM both and the Furd is my favorite.
 
I have a 2016 Ram 1500 with the lower gears. I flat tow a 71 CJ5 and tow a Toyota pick up or 4 runner at different times on a equipment trailer. I can hardly feel the Jeep when it’s behind me. My trailer is fairly heavy duty so I feel that but it’s not bad. I’m not a speed racer so I don’t care about holding 80 up a grade. I drove a 2019 Ram 1500 with the 3.07 gears for a month last summer, when comparing it to my truck I hated driving it. Felt totally gutless from a stand still even with the stupid etorque.

My work truck is a 2015 Gas F-250. It just ticks along without a fuss but it is a complete dog with the transmission that’s in it. I would never buy one.
 
Tundra, has everything you want, don't get the mega cab though, if you get the crew cab you get the 6.5' bed. I have the 5.7 and love it, it tows better than my 15 Ram 2500 with the 5.7 Hemi. I average around 15 mpg, some days better, some days worse. Rides like a damn car :)
 
I had a 12 ram 1500 5.7 quad cab. I loved that truck, but when you start driving with a family it is tight. Jumped to a 17 ram 1500 5.7 crew cab. It was a Laramie and had lots of nice options, but a high ration in the rear that i didnt like. The 12 had 4.10 and it was a noticeable jump with the 17 having 3.07. Both the trucks were great, but at 5k feet towing and hitting 10k+ going to the mountains they were lacking.

I am not driving a 19 F250 6.7. The cab is bigger so it fits a car seat better. I enjoy the diesel way more driving to work and back, and really appreciate it while towing my boat. I towed a previous boat from CO to MI and back with the 17 ram, and it really is the elevation that was holding it back. If i was at sea level i would consider a gas motor.

When you factor in depreciation on half tons vs the 12k premium going 3/4 or 1 ton diesel it works out in the end. Sure diesel is a little more and i average 3mpg less. You have def which is $15 every 5k miles, and filter costs, but again in the end the trade/resale value of a diesel is well above what i will put in to it.

My ford has around 8k miles so cant talk about quality yet, but the initial quality has been great. I ran the 12 ram to 75k and only changed oil and tires. The 17 to 30k and only oil. Both were good and i never had issues other than being hit by hail.

To sum it up, if i could go back i would have gotten the 12 ram, then ford diesel in 17. The ram was fine when it was just me and a buddy hauling dirt bikes around. Once i had a family and boat, or anything significant to haul, i would have been happier in the diesel

I drove a F250 with the 6.7. That thing was fucking awesome....
 
So, I drove a few trucks today. First I drove a dodge ram 2019 1500. It was meh.... Nothing too exciting. I went to another dealership and drove a 2018 2500 CTD. I knew upon seeing it, that I was not buying it because it was already rusting and had 1" of sand in the frame rails. It drove about the same as my 2002 2500, it was so so.

I then drove a F150 Lariet and OMG that was badass. It was the V6 eco boost and I liked it.

After that I drove a F250 with the 6.7 Wife and I are basically sold. We almost walked out, but did not like the deal they offered.

I drove a F250 with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, it was ok... but I liked the 6.7 much better. I need to drive a 6.2 with the 10 speed and a 7.3


So, anyone know anything about 6.7's and the 10 speed transmission? How are the 6.2's?
 
So, I drove a few trucks today. First I drove a dodge ram 2019 1500. It was meh.... Nothing too exciting. I went to another dealership and drove a 2018 2500 CTD. I knew upon seeing it, that I was not buying it because it was already rusting and had 1" of sand in the frame rails. It drove about the same as my 2002 2500, it was so so.

I then drove a F150 Lariet and OMG that was badass. It was the V6 eco boost and I liked it.

After that I drove a F250 with the 6.7 Wife and I are basically sold. We almost walked out, but did not like the deal they offered.

I drove a F250 with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, it was ok... but I liked the 6.7 much better. I need to drive a 6.2 with the 10 speed and a 7.3


So, anyone know anything about 6.7's and the 10 speed transmission? How are the 6.2's?

Know a few people who own 2018-2020s with the 6.7. A few have had issues with death wobble. I think there is a TSB for it that replaces the stabilizer. One has had his truck in the shop a few times for wet carpet on the passenger floor board. There was a issue with the AC drain hose or the seal around it that was allowing water into the cab. Think it has been resolved. I only know of one that has had issues with the DEF system. He had a sensor go out. It was covered under warranty.

I looked into them before purchasing the Ram 2500 I had. My main concern was the fuel system and emissions equipment.
 
'15 with a 6.2 and six speed. Only thing I really don't care for are the rev's when towing. A decent hill and it goes right into the ketchup.

edit: solid truck. zero issues except for cab lights. I think I've replaced every light on the roof three times now. No idea.
 
I drive/work out of a 2010 Silverado 1500 more days than not. The only complaint I have about newer half tons are the pathetic rear springs. My truck rides nice and pulls great, but 1000 lbs in the bed or 500 lbs of tongue weight and the headlights are shooting at the sky and the rear ends sitting on the bump stops. I looked into airbags, helper springs, load balancing shocks, air socks, and anything else that could possibly help. I ended up with a set of SuperSprings and it completely transformed the truck. I'd highly recommend them to any half ton out there

Airbag kits are cheap and solve this issue.
 
The time has come to replace my 2002 Dodge ram 2500 ctd 4x4. I will be honest, I really really really want another 2500 4x4 diesel... though when I think with my bigger brain, a 1/2 ton gas truck will do everything I need. I have nothing to tow, in the future I "might" buy a boat or a camper. A 3/4 ton gas is also a consideration at this time.

I want 4x4, 4 doors, and preferably a bed 6' or longer. I have been looking at 2015+ trucks, budget around 30k, though when I was looking at diesels we had a budget around 50.

So of the big three, any years/motors/transmissions I should avoid or stay away from?


(or should i throw caution to the wind, you only live once and buy a diesel)

serious question, what would $20k do for your 2002?

cars are a lot like toasters, and i love toast, so i'm having a hard time understanding why you would want to replace one 2500 diesel 4x4 with another 2500 diesel 4x4 for 10's of thousands of dollars. You could ship your current car across the country and get the interior hand stiched for that price....pay somebody to put a new frame under the thing....build an incredibly stout drivetrain if you wanted to hot rod it, all kinds of fun stuff.
 
Know a few people who own 2018-2020s with the 6.7. A few have had issues with death wobble. I think there is a TSB for it that replaces the stabilizer. One has had his truck in the shop a few times for wet carpet on the passenger floor board. There was a issue with the AC drain hose or the seal around it that was allowing water into the cab. Think it has been resolved. I only know of one that has had issues with the DEF system. He had a sensor go out. It was covered under warranty.

I looked into them before purchasing the Ram 2500 I had. My main concern was the fuel system and emissions equipment.

My boss has a 2019 F250 that had the death wobble issue. I believe they re welded the mount and replaced the stabilizer. He hasn’t had issues since.

I really like the 6.7 trucks we have at work. They haul ass and feel a lot like driving a gas engine to me. One has been problem free and one has been a head ache for the mechanics.
 
serious question, what would $20k do for your 2002?

cars are a lot like toasters, and i love toast, so i'm having a hard time understanding why you would want to replace one 2500 diesel 4x4 with another 2500 diesel 4x4 for 10's of thousands of dollars. You could ship your current car across the country and get the interior hand stiched for that price....pay somebody to put a new frame under the thing....build an incredibly stout drivetrain if you wanted to hot rod it, all kinds of fun stuff.

But me in this boat.

If I had to buy a new half ton, it would be tundra.
 
So, I drove a few trucks today. First I drove a dodge ram 2019 1500. It was meh.... Nothing too exciting. I went to another dealership and drove a 2018 2500 CTD. I knew upon seeing it, that I was not buying it because it was already rusting and had 1" of sand in the frame rails. It drove about the same as my 2002 2500, it was so so.

I then drove a F150 Lariet and OMG that was badass. It was the V6 eco boost and I liked it.

After that I drove a F250 with the 6.7 Wife and I are basically sold. We almost walked out, but did not like the deal they offered.

I drove a F250 with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, it was ok... but I liked the 6.7 much better. I need to drive a 6.2 with the 10 speed and a 7.3


So, anyone know anything about 6.7's and the 10 speed transmission? How are the 6.2's?

We have a 15 2.7 F150 and love it so far, it's my wife's rig. It fit 3 car seats better than any of the big dumb suv's. I've towed mild 3-6k lb loads and it does pretty well, even at 6-7k ft elevation. It's the smallest engine and I'm sure has the 3.31s or whatever highway gears.

The low end on the eco boosts is just crazy. Not a diesel, but definitely much better than a typical gas V8.

I also had a 2018 F250 ex cab long bed 4x4 6.2 for a company truck all last summer. Over all I really liked the truck, and I think it would consider one if I could get one for a decent price and wasn't planning on doing much towing in the mountains.

Main things I remember

I really liked the configuration for what I was doing with it. The ex cab isn't big, but you can put your shit back there and other passengers occasionally isn't bad. The ex cab windows are power and the doors fold 180* flat to the bed. I think the new micro 4 doors that Chevy and dodge offer are a joke. Then you have an 8' bed without having a super long wheelbase.

6.2 hauled ass empty (empty was still a 100 gal transfer tank, big steel tool box, gas air Compressor, and other misc tools) mostly highway mpg was 13.5 on the dash. Maybe better on the open highway, but not much. Towing the mpg dropped off.

I pulled a lot of those 500 gal water buffalos with a fire box on the back. Guessing ~9k lbs. It would do OK in the hills, but as mentioned the 6.2 likes to sing. Power wise, I honestly would put our F150 up against the 6.2 towing that amount of weight, especially at higher elevation.

I also pulled a few different skid steers and mini excavators. So 12-14k. Not something I would recommend doing often with one of these unless it's just flat ground. Mountain roads meant 2nd gear. Up at 6k ft, forget about it, 1st gear, which is like a granny low, so maybe 25 mph at damn near red line. On the other hand, brake and handling wise, it was awesome.

The ride was also pretty damn rough, even with all the shit on the bed. Some have mentioned that the 6.2 and 6.7 have the same coils, so that could be part of it.
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To sum it up, over all I liked the truck and wouldn't hesitate to get one for towing 6-8k somewhat often or occasionally more.

Like some have said, the savings almost doesn't make sense if you want to upgrade after a few years. The resale isn't there like the diesels.

As far as the 10 spd, it just came out in the super duty and I don't believe they put it behind the 6.2, but I could be wrong.
 
serious question, what would $20k do for your 2002?

cars are a lot like toasters, and i love toast, so i'm having a hard time understanding why you would want to replace one 2500 diesel 4x4 with another 2500 diesel 4x4 for 10's of thousands of dollars. You could ship your current car across the country and get the interior hand stiched for that price....pay somebody to put a new frame under the thing....build an incredibly stout drivetrain if you wanted to hot rod it, all kinds of fun stuff.

I tried this logic. I bought this truck for 4.

last time I added it all up, I had 20k into it. I’m sure I am at 20.
I fix one part, another one breaks. I have gotten to the point I am full circle and replacing parts I fixed 2-3 years ago. Transmission, front and rear diffs have been replaced.

this thing has also left me stranded multiple times.

granted... I could have started with a better platform... I don’t think I am going to ever win this battle. Rttoys LeadfootCJ7 Rooney77 GuidoLyonsJnull can also explain this truck.

my wife is also Infuriated with it. She wanted to take the 2k trade in.
 
serious question, what would $20k do for your 2002?

cars are a lot like toasters, and i love toast, so i'm having a hard time understanding why you would want to replace one 2500 diesel 4x4 with another 2500 diesel 4x4 for 10's of thousands of dollars. You could ship your current car across the country and get the interior hand stiched for that price....pay somebody to put a new frame under the thing....build an incredibly stout drivetrain if you wanted to hot rod it, all kinds of fun stuff.

Build threads. I don’t think I have the new paint on there either.

https://irate4x4.com/forum/general-...alon2006-s-cummin-turbo-diesel-long-arm-build




https://www.pirate4x4.com/threads/talon2006’s-long-arm-build-2002-2ng-gen-ctd.2667652/page-2
 
I tried this logic. I bought this truck for 4.

last time I added it all up, I had 20k into it. I’m sure I am at 20.
I fix one part, another one breaks. I have gotten to the point I am full circle and replacing parts I fixed 2-3 years ago. Transmission, front and rear diffs have been replaced.

this thing has also left me stranded multiple times.

granted... I could have started with a better platform... I don’t think I am going to ever win this battle. Rttoys LeadfootCJ7 Rooney77 GuidoLyonsJnull can also explain this truck.

my wife is also Infuriated with it. She wanted to take the 2k trade in.

i know you have a heck of a history with it, but $50k as a budget for a similar thing is nuts to me. but i know i don't make good car choices either 🤣
that said, you should just buy a full size van and enjoy a comfortable life :rasta:

hell i'll buy a pile of junk dodge for $3k if you want more than trade in value :flipoff2: what would it cost to pay somebody to make it reliable? Cuz' there isn't a gurantee a new truck will be reliable, just a warranty to fix it when it isn't. Halfway decent auto repair shops have a warranty on their work just the same.



all that to say: Gas trucks are better in everyway than diesels. welcome to the light side :flipoff2:
 
i know you have a heck of a history with it, but $50k as a budget for a similar thing is nuts to me. but i know i don't make good car choices either 🤣
that said, you should just buy a full size van and enjoy a comfortable life :rasta:

hell i'll buy a pile of junk dodge for $3k if you want more than trade in value :flipoff2: what would it cost to pay somebody to make it reliable? Cuz' there isn't a gurantee a new truck will be reliable, just a warranty to fix it when it isn't. Halfway decent auto repair shops have a warranty on their work just the same.



all that to say: Gas trucks are better in everyway than diesels. welcome to the light side :flipoff2:

Give me 4k and it’s a deal.

you get one day and 100 bucks to make it reliable.

i bet 200 bucks you don’t make it out of the state Fo2.
 
Sounds like you're going to buy whatever you drive and like most. Not sure anyone has a swaying argument to offer. Good luck.
 
Give me 4k and it’s a deal.

you get one day and 100 bucks to make it reliable.

i bet 200 bucks you don’t make it out of the state Fo2.

i've got a trailer, and it will cost me $1k in gas to get down there :flipoff2:

i would only buy it for $3k because even fucked up and not running, it's probably a $12k truck up in the land of rain and clouds
 
Sounds like you're going to buy whatever you drive and like most. Not sure anyone has a swaying argument to offer. Good luck.

except to say: He needs to drive a GMC Conversion Van that fits his budget. it will make every truck feel like shit by comparison, especially with no trailer or regular need for a truck :flipoff2:
 
Since we are all talking about newer trucks, someone explain to me the deal with the bedsides on the newer F250/F350. Are they really as tall as they appear or is that an illusion? To me those things look like it would be near impossible to lift anything over the bedside and into the bed. I am not tall and it's not real easy for me to lift things in and out of my Ram 2500, but every time I pull up beside one of the F series, it looks like their bedsides are 3' tall.
 
If you are leaning toward a ford, hang out on their web site a couple times a day with your add blocker off. They have random popups for 1000-3500+ off their trucks. Im sure with the amount of people on here that someone could get you one. If someone gets the popup, they just fill in your name/address where it will be registered/email and it shows up. That is what i did and it saved me 3k off my 19 250.
 
I agree.... the F150 I drove was a v6 ecoboost and was as nice.

the 2.7 is apparently even better.

I've not driven one personally, but I know someone that's now had both and he swears the 2.7 is better pulling a car trailer.

fucking amazing. pulling 7K without issue on a tiny little 2.7L motor, and then getting like 25mpg when you're not doing truck things.
 
the 2.7 is apparently even better.

I've not driven one personally, but I know someone that's now had both and he swears the 2.7 is better pulling a car trailer.

fucking amazing. pulling 7K without issue on a tiny little 2.7L motor, and then getting like 25mpg when you're not doing truck things.

BIL has a 2.7 supercrew 2wd. He loves it coming from a 2011 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0. Says it pulls his 16’ lowboy with ease.
 
the 2.7 is apparently even better.

I've not driven one personally, but I know someone that's now had both and he swears the 2.7 is better pulling a car trailer.

fucking amazing. pulling 7K without issue on a tiny little 2.7L motor, and then getting like 25mpg when you're not doing truck things.

I love mine but I’m getting more like 17-18 mpg with about 1,000 lbs of extra tools, ladder rack, ect, and 285’s. I might be an anomaly for MPG’s I’m always way lower than other people claim to get on similar vehicles.
 
I love mine but I’m getting more like 17-18 mpg with about 1,000 lbs of extra tools, ladder rack, ect, and 285’s. I might be an anomaly for MPG’s I’m always way lower than other people claim to get on similar vehicles.

You'd be surprised what that ladder rack and ladder lose for you. I'd bet 3-5mpg on the highway. Empty kayak racks on my '12 Tacoma was 3mpg difference on the highway and noticable in the higher speed acceleration to pass and such. Add 1k in tools with big Tars and your estimate is probably spot on.
 
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