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I still don't think that was a "Hard" pull, in the early days we pull way harder when chain, then recovery straps. If you think you have never exceeded 5mph when recovering someone, I don't think you know how fast 5MPH actually is.
 
welndmn said:
I still don't think that was a "Hard" pull, in the early days we pull way harder when chain, then recovery straps. If you think you have never exceeded 5mph when recovering someone, I don't think you know how fast 5MPH actually is.
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So in a fwiw kinda way...
And cause you left out toooo many details on this statement I'm going to run this up the flagpole to see if you can elaborate some.

When I was on the loading crew at napa pipe in the 80's a bulkhead flattop sat ? 9 ? 36" steel pipe approximate weight in @ or about # 22500 ea (really fuzzy memories here so :flipoff2:)

We could move a dry car @ like 86k with a tug weighting like 4k by just a snuggle up behind it and lean on it.
Eta not hit it @ 5 mph:laughing:
Needless to say the big yard mule used for loaded cars was MUCH bigger.
No one snapped chains in the yard but "once" wire rope was the same way.

Remember
We're here to assist in the process of safe recovery in the clownworld of today...
 
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welndmn said:
I still don't think that was a "Hard" pull, in the early days we pull way harder when chain, then recovery straps. If you think you have never exceeded 5mph when recovering someone, I don't think you know how fast 5MPH actually is.
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actually dis guy ^^^^
Pto said:
Me, Yes. Also, not very smart, also early 1980s :)
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We have all done "stuff" shock loading anything has inherent dangers , did we survive ? yes. should we .....:idea:.
 
Clb said:
actually dis guy ^^^^

We have all done "stuff" shock loading anything has inherent dangers , did we survive ? yes. should we .....:idea:.
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Its a miracle I made it to the 90s. . . . and even luckier to live to 2000. :beer:
 
Or perhaps the modern media and information landscape amplifies the voices of those who deserve to be silenced and all the shit you did back then really wasn't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Or perhaps the modern media and information landscape amplifies the voices of those who deserve to be silenced and all the shit you did back then really wasn't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
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I think a broken off 2" ball hitch going thru my rear window, windshield, and putting a hole in the guys tailgate in front of me is sketchy no matter the era
 
welndmn said:
I still don't think that was a "Hard" pull, in the early days we pull way harder when chain, then recovery straps. If you think you have never exceeded 5mph when recovering someone, I don't think you know how fast 5MPH actually is.
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This is why I always bought/have recovery gear like I was wheelin' a fully loaded F-550.
30K recovery straps
15T D-shackles
60" Hi-Lift jack.

This goes all the way back to when I bought my first rig, a brand new '89 Toyota extended cab.
When I bought a '99.5 F-350; all my then current recovery gear was proper for the new heavier rig.

I've reduced the failure rate by having strong enough recovery gear.
 
Mieser said:
It isn't uncommon to see 12k winches coming with 3/8" line from who knows what which is probably not even a 1.5:1 FoS when you consider all the details.
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So would 7/16 be ok on a 12K winch? I just had to replace the line on my 12k Warn and that was the size recommended for it. You also mentioned bend radius as effecting its strength, the pin on my winch hook is 5/8 and the new line only has a loop on it with no thimble like the old line. Is that too sharp of a bend?

People are talking about using a D ring ( fuck the pedantry). Those are what, like 5/8 diameter ? On a soft shackle would that be too tight of bend?
 
Wheelerfreak said:
So would 7/16 be ok on a 12K winch? I just had to replace the line on my 12k Warn and that was the size recommended for it. You also mentioned bend radius as effecting its strength, the pin on my winch hook is 5/8 and the new line only has a loop on it with no thimble like the old line. Is that too sharp of a bend?

People are talking about using a D ring ( fuck the pedantry). Those are what, like 5/8 diameter ? On a soft shackle would that be too tight of bend?
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I would get a thimble for that rope.
 
Wheelerfreak said:
So would 7/16 be ok on a 12K winch? I just had to replace the line on my 12k Warn and that was the size recommended for it. You also mentioned bend radius as effecting its strength, the pin on my winch hook is 5/8 and the new line only has a loop on it with no thimble like the old line. Is that too sharp of a bend?

People are talking about using a D ring ( fuck the pedantry). Those are what, like 5/8 diameter ? On a soft shackle would that be too tight of bend?
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7/16 is a good match for a 12k winch in my opinion. You will have to give up a bit of line capacity on smaller drums, but if you take the time to get good tension on the lower layers it won't be much.

As far as the minimum radius goes, the closer to 3x rope diameter ( or larger ) you can get, the stronger the eye will be and the longer it will last before breaking down some of the fibers. That does become impractical at some point though since we are talking about a pin about 1.3" in diameter. As far as general strength, even a 1:1 diameter ratio will still test at about 90 percent of the rope MBS strength ( but you will see some accelerated wear and a shorter overall life on the inside of the loop ).

ApeEater said:
I would get a thimble for that rope.
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One interesting thing with thimbles, they are not 'rated' for the full breaking strength of the rope. They do help with longer term low load abrasion, but they will collapse/deform at full load unless the pin going through them is the correct ( large ) diameter. When they collapse and deform they can produce sharp edges that can be dangerous synthetic lines.
 
Dirtyjed said:
I think that is exactly the problem. Shackle was hooked to a point that's designed for a D ring
Over time it probably slivered enough of it that the shackle cut and full sent the rope.
I know I've found cuts/slivers in some and just throw them away or let my dog chew them.

The driver had to get choppered out because of a throat cut that wouldn't stop bleeding. He is good now with no permanent damage.

Definitely a lesson in knowing how to render aid and carrying a HAM.
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Man.... I'm glad to read that everyone is okay. I only use Warm shackles. I like the look but I've also never had a failure
 
Levigarrett76 said:
Id love to see a slo-mo video of the chain stretch after backing up bumper to bumper and full throttle yank back in the day.
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I snapped a 3ft 3/8 chain doing moving a loaded dumpster around a dirt parking lot That thing was formed into all sorts of weird shape around the break.
 
Mieser said:
One interesting thing with thimbles, they are not 'rated' for the full breaking strength of the rope. They do help with longer term low load abrasion, but they will collapse/deform at full load unless the pin going through them is the correct ( large ) diameter. When they collapse and deform they can produce sharp edges that can be dangerous synthetic lines.
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Not often I have an issue I don’t have a solution for on my own but thimbles are one. All the synthetic roped winches I have, have had the thimble jammed into the fairlead by people “helping” me get spooled up after a pull.

Thimbles bent and deformed. Sharp gouges left in the soft aluminum which then abrade the rope. I bought a Factor55 thing to get rid of a thimble but never used it because the pin is too small and the thimble doesn’t fit in the slot.

Aside from not letting anyone else ever touch your recovery gear. How do you handle the thimble issue?
 
JR4X said:
Aside from not letting anyone else ever touch your recovery gear. How do you handle the thimble issue?
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They sell a rubber disc thing that you stick on the rope before the thimble and acts like the retract stop on a hose/cord reel.
 
JR4X said:
Link?
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Plug "winch rubber stopper" into your favorite eCommerce site.

I had to wade through page after page of that shit trying to find the cheapest rubber dock bumper that would fit my needs. :laughing:
 
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I like the rope and thimble going all the way into the fairlead because between that, the winch cover, and the flip up licence plate holder it keeps the sun off of my winch rope.

Most of the people who have helped me winch either put it back how they found it, or just coil the rope around the winch anticipating that i'm going to need it again in a second.

Also this bulldog unit needs to calm TF down. My colorblindness makes this orange look flesh colored:lmao::lmao:
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MigGunslinger said:
I like the rope and thimble going all the way into the fairlead because between that, the winch cover, and the flip up licence plate holder it keeps the sun off of my winch rope.

Most of the people who have helped me winch either put it back how they found it, or just coil the rope around the winch anticipating that i'm going to need it again in a second.

Also this bulldog unit needs to calm TF down. My colorblindness makes this orange look flesh colored:lmao::lmao:
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Oh fucking shit; I'm colorblind.
 
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