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So paying someone to do brakes on all 4 corners just costs $1k these days.

94toytruck said:
Also some newer cars require you to clear the data and reset pad life monitors as well as recalibrate the parking brake. But hey, I'm glad everyone compares it to the days when you just pried the caliper piston in with your daddies hand me craftsman screwdriver.
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175 posts later and finally a legit spot on response to the fukery of newer brakes, rotors n pads ain’t shit fer cost till ya hafta hook yer schmancy (Silverado er whatever wire driven vehicle)up to the scanny/computery thang that generates the cash on yer invoice.
Can put cobbled together disc brakes on an old 9” that seem to work perfect, yet can’t change rear pads on a 2019 Chevy Trail Boss without a fukn scanner.
 
dave_dj1 said:
well the shop has overhead, insurance, lease payments, workers comp, taxes, unemployment tax, payroll, office staff, advertising budget etc etc
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I did all 4 corners in an hour and 20 minutes with a floor jack. I understand overhead. It gets built into shop labor rates. Everybody knows the guy spinning the wrench isn't getting paid the $150/hr shop labor rate.
 
DMG said:
I spent the money on pex A tools and some other stuff to do my own plumbing.
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I bought the m12 pex expansion tool for $400. It paid for itself on the first joint. A 10 year old can put together pex, amazingly simple engineering. A plumber that soldered copper earned his hourly rate. A guy slapping pex together should not command $300/hr.
 
jpmassey said:
I bought the m12 pex expansion tool for $400. It paid for itself on the first joint. A 10 year old can put together pex, amazingly simple engineering. A plumber that soldered copper earned his hourly rate. A guy slapping pex together should not command $300/hr.
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That's anything construction. Find a cheaper way to do it, less [skilled] labor involved, blow smoke up the customers ass saying it's better, charge more.

Looking at you post tension slab.
 
Ted said:
175 posts later and finally a legit spot on response to the fukery of newer brakes, rotors n pads ain’t shit fer cost till ya hafta hook yer schmancy (Silverado er whatever wire driven vehicle)up to the scanny/computery thang that generates the cash on yer invoice.
Can put cobbled together disc brakes on an old 9” that seem to work perfect, yet can’t change rear pads on a 2019 Chevy Trail Boss without a fukn scanner.
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Wild. Sounding like a broken record here, but my '09 Mazda 3 isn't anything fancy but it's a great condition beater car that's cheap as hell to maintain. Hell... hot heater, A/C...well...it needs recharged once a year but works great after that. 30 MPG, all door locks and windows work, and even all body panels are the same color :flipoff2:
 
FordFascist said:
Contrary to popular believe, brake shudder is not the rotor out of true, it's hard spots on the rotor changing the friction coefficient a percentage of the rotation. You usually don't have to machine far to remove them.
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u mad dunny, son
even rust buildup between rotor and hub causes a pulsation

I cut my own rotors but only because I don't really give a shit
just trying to get the rust off them so the new pads will contact the full surface instead of just a 1/2" strip in the middle
 
Mikel said:
I think new cars are road tested at the factory. But in my opinion, modern vehicles have so much braking power that losing 20% to all new brake parts for a bit, is not going to be a big deal.
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I used to figure that, until I had a set of new pads get gassy on their burn-in
brake pedal was nice and firm, there just wasn't any brakes there at all

I'd figured it was something of a myth until it happened to me
 
[486] said:
I used to figure that, until I had a set of new pads get gassy on their burn-in
brake pedal was nice and firm, there just wasn't any brakes there at all

I'd figured it was something of a myth until it happened to me
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Were you two footing it and riding the brakes or just hard stops?

I had a sticky caliper that liked to run the rotor at ~500deg sometimes. It never had problems with fade.

I had another one stick too badly to drive. That rotor was red but it grabbed hard until I got where I was going. :laughing:
 
[486] said:
I used to figure that, until I had a set of new pads get gassy on their burn-in
brake pedal was nice and firm, there just wasn't any brakes there at all

I'd figured it was something of a myth until it happened to me
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Higher end pads don't tend to need as much break-in. Most good pads go through a "scorching" process after the pucks have been molded and cured, but before the hardware gets staked on. This can be either a big-ass hotplate type thing, infrared, open flame, etc...that burns all the excess shit outta the surface of the friction material. It's an added step and expense. The OEMs have done this for ever, the aftermarket just started doing it about 20 years ago. It doesn't obviously take care of establishing a pad transfer layer on the rotor, but it greatly reduces the break in process.
 
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arse_sidewards said:
Were you two footing it and riding the brakes or just hard stops?

I had a sticky caliper that liked to run the rotor at ~500deg sometimes. It never had problems with fade.

I had another one stick too badly to drive. That rotor was red but it grabbed hard until I got where I was going. :laughing:
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only happened the once on break in
thermoquiets, so higher end on the price scale
 
[486] said:
only happened the once on break in
thermoquiets, so higher end on the price scale
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Maybe some sort of coating that seeped in was burning back out. The one pair of duralast gold pads I bought wanted to lock the fuck up at the slightest pressure on the first 2-5stops and were fine after that. The whole pad came painted/coated.
 
Ted said:
175 posts later and finally a legit spot on response to the fukery of newer brakes, rotors n pads ain’t shit fer cost till ya hafta hook yer schmancy (Silverado er whatever wire driven vehicle)up to the scanny/computery thang that generates the cash on yer invoice.
Can put cobbled together disc brakes on an old 9” that seem to work perfect, yet can’t change rear pads on a 2019 Chevy Trail Boss without a fukn scanner.
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I haven't turned wrenches nearly as long as some on here, but I did it for enough years to know I hated it :laughing:

I saw maybe one, two cases where idiots drove their cars with worn out brakes enough that the brake pad material was gone, and the backing plate wore through the rotor surface, into the vents, where it eventually pushed the piston out and they lost brakes and slammed into someone or something. But I must have done thousands of brake jobs.

What truly necessitates shit like that? Most states have annual inspections, that's kinda the point of them. Why on earth do you need more shit like a brake system that required a scanner to reset?
 
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Otto M@n said:
Why on earth do you need more shit like a brake system that required a scanner to reset?
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:homer: How else do you get to charge insane rates when a several thousand dollar scanner is involved for such a mundane task.

Most of us have Forscan, VCDS, Alfa, or an Autel. 99% of the (non professional) public doesn't.
 
arse_sidewards said:
People who will drive on the pad backer will drive without an inspection sticker.
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An issue nobody wants to acknowledge for sure.

Maryland has a one time "lifetime" inspection...but it's only for the life time of the current owner. So if you flip a car and have it under 30 days, no reinspection is needed. But longer than 30 days? Inspection. But just one, no annual mechanical inspection. There are emission centers where you take it annually, but they don't put it through the sniffer. It just checks for any CEL's, and many places are self-serve.

Had to get a friends car inspected and I was curious on the process. Guy was like "yeah we do a really thorough job though..." and I was like "So tell me, how does this 'thorough job' account for wear and tear items if I own a car for 2+ years? "But it's thorough..."

I had to be like "hey dude, I was a mechanic in my prior life. Don't try to spin this into making sense, because it fucking doesn't". He was like...yeah you're right :laughing::homer:
 
With the shitty quality of parts these days, I don't think I want to live anywhere without regular inspections. Even with yearly inspections we get shit in here with the ball joints ready to come apart or unit bearings falling apart. How they can drive around listening to shit like that and not think something needs attention, I will never know.
 
Elwenil said:
With the shitty quality of parts these days, I don't think I want to live anywhere without regular inspections. Even with yearly inspections we get shit in here with the ball joints ready to come apart or unit bearings falling apart. How they can drive around listening to shit like that and not think something needs attention, I will never know.
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"don't worry comrade, those weren't real inspections. Surely we will succeed this time"

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Elwenil said:
With the shitty quality of parts these days, I don't think I want to live anywhere without regular inspections. Even with yearly inspections we get shit in here with the ball joints ready to come apart or unit bearings falling apart. How they can drive around listening to shit like that and not think something needs attention, I will never know.
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To your average driver it's money not safety and they can't or don't want to afford it.
 
Elwenil said:
With the shitty quality of parts these days, I don't think I want to live anywhere without regular inspections. Even with yearly inspections we get shit in here with the ball joints ready to come apart or unit bearings falling apart. How they can drive around listening to shit like that and not think something needs attention, I will never know.
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We'll ship a few 10s of thousands of meskins your way. You'll soon realize inspections mean nothing.

No inspection, no registration, no insurance... no problem!
 
Otto M@n said:
Why on earth do you need more shit like a brake system that required a scanner to reset?
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The more mechanical crap they make electric the more they can control you. Electric throttle bodies, electric shifters, electric emergency brakes, I-boosters and being on the internet are all things that feed back tom modules from more control over the vehicle. They've been pushing for more control for decades. A little at a time is way more accepted than huge changes.
 
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94toytruck said:
The more mechanical crap they make electric the more they can control you. Electric throttle bodies, electric shifters, electric emergency brakes, I-boosters and being on the internet are all things that feed back tom modules from more control over the vehicle. They've been pushing for more control for decades. A little at a time is way more accepted than huge changes.
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Also retards that can't put their car in park just fan the flames. I get so fuckin tired of cars that apply the parking brake or slam into park automatically when you intentionally leave them in neutral.
 
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