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Thumping said:
Well the question could be asked why the fuck this administration has done 90% of the stupid shit it has done and frankly....its right out in the open for all to see and they just look around saying nope, not us, not our fault.

So, there's that.
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That is a valid question.


As well as, 'How deep is the Biden Crime Family in with the Ukrainians/Russians/ChiComs'?
 
Not sure we'll ever truly know who sabotaged that pipeline but Blinken coming out in the immediate aftermath calling it a "tremendous opportunity" was incredibly fucking idiotic. Saying the quiet part out loud. We benefit a lot more from this than Russia does.
 
east_beast said:
Not sure we'll ever truly know who sabotaged that pipeline but Blinken coming out in the immediate aftermath calling it a "tremendous opportunity" was incredibly fucking idiotic. Saying the quiet part out loud. We benefit a lot more from this than Russia does.
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Exactly. I'm not saying any faith should be put into what Putin has to say but rest assured you cannot put any faith into what anyone in our government has to say.
 
Thumping said:
Exactly. I'm not saying any faith should be put into what Putin has to say but rest assured you cannot put any faith into what anyone in our government has to say.
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I'm waiting on SCOTUS to provide an opinion on that. :flipoff2:
 
Thumping said:
Exactly. I'm not saying any faith should be put into what Putin has to say but rest assured you cannot put any faith into what anyone in our government has to say.
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I still remember about the WMDs in Iraq and how we were training a military in Afghanistan that could support our puppet government. Then those WMDs we're nowhere to be found and that puppet government and U.S. trained military lasted about 15 minutes without us.
 
Bggrnchvy said:
It's not impossible, the question becomes why? Why would you go through the effort of bringing a visible surface ship to site to plant an underwater beacon, just to come back with a highly visible aircraft to drop a torpedo to hit an underwater pipeline of a hostile nation? Those are all actions with vessels you take when you have nothing to hide, not when you are clandestinely plotting to blow up something everyone will soon know is blown up. It has all the downsides and none of the upsides, it's slow (bringing a ship first then an aircraft) and it is obvious.

774 boat from Groton to Faslane, load up with a DDS, move unseen into the Baltic, unload a weapon(s), putter away unseen. No one knows you are there. If you do this however you do not put a surface vessel atop for a few days and then bring a P8 back later to make sure they know you were in the area because that would be insane.

The most important thing to find out is if the pipeline imploded or exploded. That helps narrow the true actor.

I do not support the UKR .gov but the way this conflict has progressed is quite interesting, most specifically watching 1GTA get slapped around by a non-peer countries armored battalions and Russia's complete lack of SEAD ability. The rest is interesting as well, but those alone are worth mentioning.
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Does anyone, and I mean anyone, in this administration strike you as particularly bright?
 
Wes in TN said:
Does anyone, and I mean anyone, in this administration strike you as particularly bright?
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Pretty sure this administration works for a TLA instead of the other way around…
 
www.ntd.com

Swedish Investigators Find Evidence of 'Serious Sabotage' at Nord Stream Pipelines

A Swedish agency on Thursday found that leaks from the two Russian Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in ...
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A Swedish agency on Thursday found that leaks from the two Russian Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea were likely caused by “serious sabotage” and evidence from the site was taken.

The Swedish Security Service confirmed that “detonations” were responsible for the extensive damage to the wholly Russian-owned pipelines last week. Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden have also said that the damage was not of natural origin, saying that blasts most likely were the cause.

“During the crime scene investigation … seizures have been made,” said the Security Service. “As part of the work,” it added in a statement, “the seizures will now be reviewed and analyzed.”

“The continued preliminary investigation must show whether someone can be served with suspicion and later prosecuted,” Sweden’s Security Service said in a statement, adding the blasts are a “very serious” development.


Now that the initial probe is completed, a blockade around the pipelines off Sweden will be lifted, Swedish officials also said Thursday.

The governments of Denmark and Sweden previously said they suspected that several hundred pounds of explosives were involved in carrying out a deliberate act of sabotage. The leaks from Nord Stream 1 and 2 discharged huge amounts of methane into the air.
Danish authorities said the two methane leaks they were monitoring in international waters stopped over the weekend. One of the leaks off Sweden also appeared to have ended.

Energy Standoff​


Officials in the European Union have publicly suspected sabotage, namely as the incident comes in the midst of an energy standoff between the EU, Germany, and Moscow. But Russian authorities have said that such accusations are “predictably stupid,” noting that the pipelines are Russian-owned infrastructure and that the natural gas inside them is also Russian in origin.
And some have suggested that the United States or one of its allies was behind the sabotage attack, which Pentagon and White House officials have categorically denied.

Earlier this week, a top economist with Columbia University, Jeffrey Sachs, publicly speculated that the United States would gain the most from the attack because it would then be able to sell its natural gas to Europe by cutting out Russia.


Sachs also pointed to public statements made by President Joe Biden about the pipeline and last week’s comment from Secretary of State Antony Blinken that it’s now a “tremendous opportunity” for the EU to reduce dependency on Russian gas.

In a statement on Thursday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote that EU countries were betrayed by the United States.

The spokeswoman noted that Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak recently said Russia was ready to supply gas through an undamaged branch of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

“Will anyone now dare claim after that our country is behind this act of sabotage? I agree it’s hard to face the truth. But someday the EU countries will have to face up to the fact they were betrayed by their allies,” Zakharova wrote.


US Not Involved in ‘Sabotage’​

When questioned during a Fox News interview on Tuesday evening, White House and Pentagon spokesman John Kirby flatly denied Washington had anything to do with the incident. Those allegations, he asserted, are Russian propaganda.

“That’s just Russian propaganda and disinformation,” :homer: Kirby said. “Now, we know it was an act of sabotage, but there’s an investigation going on right now. I don’t think we’re going to get into credentialing that in terms of who was responsible. We’re going to let the investigators take a look at that. But, clearly, this was an act of sabotage.”

No nation-state or group has claimed responsibility for the blasts. The United States also hasn’t accused any country of carrying out a sabotage attack.


“Again, I can’t speak to specific accountability for this act of sabotage,” Kirby said. “I can just assure you the United States had nothing to do with it, of course. That’s just Russian propaganda.” :homer:

But later in the interview, Kirby implied that Russia could be behind it.

“Just look at what Russia has done in the past since the last seven months of this war and when it began and that is to weaponize energy,” Kirby told Fox News.
 
Not sure who is dumber...
that DC continues to use the phrase "Russian propaganda and disinformation"
or that the citizens continue to believe it.
 
rockota said:
Not sure who is dumber...
that DC continues to use the phrase "Russian propaganda and disinformation"
or that the citizens continue to believe it.
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made a thread on the phrase a month or two ago

pretty much yeah, it doesn't imply anything but further mistrust of whoever is spouting the phrase
 
Remember when any suggestion that maybe COVID 19 maybe, just maybe originated in the lab specializing in coronavirus research with a history of safety protocol violations just a couple miles away was dismissed as "racism"? 😂
 
rockota said:
Not sure who is dumber...
that DC continues to use the phrase "Russian propaganda and disinformation"
or that the citizens continue to believe it.
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What's funny is this bit:

But later in the interview, Kirby implied that Russia could be behind it.

“Just look at what Russia has done in the past since the last seven months of this war and when it began and that is to weaponize energy,” Kirby told Fox News.

Russia. Weaponizing energy.

The globals are pushing to make everything more expensive. They're attacking food production and pushing energy prices up. OPEC is cutting production.

They want us to struggle. This proxy war we're in is just one step on the ladder.
 
ProjectTwin said:
What's funny is this bit:

But later in the interview, Kirby implied that Russia could be behind it.

“Just look at what Russia has done in the past since the last seven months of this war and when it began and that is to weaponize energy,” Kirby told Fox News.

Russia. Weaponizing energy.

The globals are pushing to make everything more expensive. They're attacking food production and pushing energy prices up. OPEC is cutting production.

They want us to struggle. This proxy war we're in is just one step on the ladder.
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the irony, perhaps, is that they couldn't weaponize energy if other countries hadn't intentionally killed their own energy independence... cough USA cough
 

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OMG the Russians are crazy enough to bomb their own shit, we must bomb them so they stop!!!

I do find it funny that the same people saying Russia blew up their own pipelines would be the same ones calling you an Alex Jones tier tin foil hat wearing nut job if you said the USA did 9/11 to them.
 
Slander said:
OMG the Russians are crazy enough to bomb their own shit, we must bomb them so they stop!!!

I do find it funny that the same people saying Russia blew up their own pipelines would be the same ones calling you an Alex Jones tier tin foil hat wearing nut job if you said the USA did 9/11 to them.
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hahaha

"yeah of course the russians did it, just like how the cia did 9/11"
blank stare

fuck you no italics that is a couple asterisks you stupid motherfucking forum software
 


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ProjectTwin said:
What's funny is this bit:

But later in the interview, Kirby implied that Russia could be behind it.

“Just look at what Russia has done in the past since the last seven months of this war and when it began and that is to weaponize energy,” Kirby told Fox News.

Russia. Weaponizing energy.

The globals are pushing to make everything more expensive. They're attacking food production and pushing energy prices up. OPEC is cutting production.

They want us to struggle. This proxy war we're in is just one step on the ladder.
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Russia, after being "sanctioned" pretty much said: All contracts for gas delivery will be honored. After those contracts finish, you'll pay us in Rubles. We'll sell you as much as you want, at fair price.


That was a big nope from Big Brother.


Thing is, Russia would have guaranteed the agreements were fulfilled, to a "T".
 
Russia is a dying country/society and I see them eventually losing this war with Ukraine, provided Putin doesn't go full tilt bozo and start using nukes.Thier birthrate is falling and they have fewer people of child bearing age to sustain their current population. I look for Russia to break apart in the next few decades as ethnic groups rebel against Moscow.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia’s Population Decline Hits Record Rate - The Moscow Times

Russia’s population shrank by a record average of 86,000 people a month between January and May, state statistics agency Rosstat has said.
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