Russia / Ukraine thread

[bigun]

So Ukraine has naval targets again?🤔😆

Must be a couple of row boats they missed last time

 

[Splib]

So Ukraine has naval targets again?🤔😆

Zee Len Skee will not negotiate until Putin is removed. That kinda backs up the wackos here that said it's all about the EU ripping Russia down. The vultures want to scavenge, they dont want to fight. And the USA waded in with baby Joe Potato flailing away. We awesome

 

[surpip]

 

[animator]

Also wouldn't be surprised if they did something stupid like sinking that sub.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and the captain and his officers actually want to defect to the US.

They’ll just have to come up with a way to get the crew off the boat and return them to Russia somehow convinced that their captain fought the Americans and went down with his ship.

 

[Redrider]

 

[ProjectTwin]

 

[Juztyn00]

We had a plane capable of dropping submarine torpedo's over the area at the exact time Nordstream blew up... If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Biden is putting us into WW3.
Flight data analyst's blog on the subject.

The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Sabotage — MonkeyWerx

As I sit here with my head on a swivel after the initial SITREP broadcast discussing the findings around this issue, I am thankful that the sea of “Monkey Nation” supporters run deep around the world and that we have so many “trackers” with the ability to do what I do that I know should something ha

www.monkeywerxus.com

 

[D_JEEPER]

Big ol red pill in that guy's throat! Good for him.

 

[Bggrnchvy]

We had a plane capable of dropping submarine torpedo's over the area at the exact time Nordstream blew up... If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Biden is putting us into WW3.
Flight data analyst's blog on the subject.

The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Sabotage — MonkeyWerx

As I sit here with my head on a swivel after the initial SITREP broadcast discussing the findings around this issue, I am thankful that the sea of “Monkey Nation” supporters run deep around the world and that we have so many “trackers” with the ability to do what I do that I know should something ha

www.monkeywerxus.com

Not that it is impossible, but a MK54 or even a MK50 is not a wire guided weapon like a MK48 though they share the same processor. Once it's released it follows it preprogrammed search path until it gets a ping back, homes in and hits the target. Could it be programmed to find a 4' diameter pipe right on the seabed, maybe, but it is not likely. Combined with the fact the delivery system he quotes is not actually in use yet, just prototyped, means it is a stretch to assume the capability.

Given the time ahead, it seems like the most clandestine way to do it would involve a DCS on a 688 or 774 sub if not the Jimmy Carter. Air dropping a torpedo over the top seems excessively heavy handed when you are talking about Russian assets in a well monitored environment.

Potentially the P8 was tracking something while it was in the area...since that's really what its job is in peacetime.

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

Not that it is impossible, but a MK54 or even a MK50 is not a wire guided weapon like a MK48 though they share the same processor. Once it's released it follows it preprogrammed search path until it gets a ping back, homes in and hits the target. Could it be programmed to find a 4' diameter pipe right on the seabed, maybe, but it is not likely. Combined with the fact the delivery system he quotes is not actually in use yet, just prototyped, means it is a stretch to assume the capability.

Given the time ahead, it seems like the most clandestine way to do it would involve a DCS on a 688 or 774 sub if not the Jimmy Carter. Air dropping a torpedo over the top seems excessively heavy handed when you are talking about Russian assets in a well monitored environment.

Potentially the P8 was tracking something while it was in the area...since that's really what its job is in peacetime.

Like maybe keeping tabs on a Russian sub.

 

[east_beast]

This entire podcast is worth a listen. That guy makes a helluva lot more sense than anyone currently in DC.

 

[sdmuleman]

Not that it is impossible, but a MK54 or even a MK50 is not a wire guided weapon like a MK48 though they share the same processor. Once it's released it follows it preprogrammed search path until it gets a ping back, homes in and hits the target. Could it be programmed to find a 4' diameter pipe right on the seabed, maybe, but it is not likely. Combined with the fact the delivery system he quotes is not actually in use yet, just prototyped, means it is a stretch to assume the capability.

Given the time ahead, it seems like the most clandestine way to do it would involve a DCS on a 688 or 774 sub if not the Jimmy Carter. Air dropping a torpedo over the top seems excessively heavy handed when you are talking about Russian assets in a well monitored environment.

Potentially the P8 was tracking something while it was in the area...since that's really what its job is in peacetime.

This. Torpedoes are very deliberately programmed to NOT hit the bottom. Further, locating a fairly small object like a pipeline at depth is quite difficult even with the right sensors. A P8 doesn't have those. Nor do the vast majority of navy ships/submarines. You need a high resolution scanning sonar to do that. Certain submarines might be able to do it, though probably not without considerable effort.

And if you're going to clandestinely sabotage the pipeline, why the heck would you do it from a highly visible obviously military asset? Lots of far more stealthy options. This theory is just plain dumb.

 

[rockota]

Worth the watch

 

[Icono]

And if you're going to clandestinely sabotage the pipeline, why the heck would you do it from a highly visible obviously military asset? Lots of far more stealthy options. This theory is just plain dumb.

So, attack dolphins it is!

 

[Icono]

Why didn't Obama spike the ball? (He was no dummy, but sure seemed to have a lot of strings attached to him...)

 

[Mikel]

Why didn't Obama spike the ball? (He was no dummy, but sure seemed to have a lot of strings attached to him...)

Obama was no dummy, but he was not the super-genius the media painted him as. He was outplayed by Putin several times.

International relations very much resemble schoolyard dynamics and strangely enough, this is where Trump excelled with his "my nuclear button is bigger than yours"

 

[Wes in TN]

This. Torpedoes are very deliberately programmed to NOT hit the bottom. Further, locating a fairly small object like a pipeline at depth is quite difficult even with the right sensors. A P8 doesn't have those. Nor do the vast majority of navy ships/submarines. You need a high resolution scanning sonar to do that. Certain submarines might be able to do it, though probably not without considerable effort.

And if you're going to clandestinely sabotage the pipeline, why the heck would you do it from a highly visible obviously military asset? Lots of far more stealthy options. This theory is just plain dumb.

Can't remember where I saw it but there was a report somewhere that the US was testing ship launched underwater drones days before the explosions. Placing some form of homing beacons?

 

[Slander]

This entire podcast is worth a listen. That guy makes a helluva lot more sense than anyone currently in DC.

Dave Smith is pretty great. His podcast is "part of the problem", recommend listening to it. Listen to the episodes with Scott Horton for break downs of all the military conflicts we are in.

 

[shortbus4x4]

International relations very much resemble schoolyard dynamics and strangely enough, this is where Trump excelled with his "my nuclear button is bigger than yours"

Yes Trump did. And Putin grew up in the old Soviet system and was a master at the "schoolyard". Putin definitely outclassed most of our past few leaders in this department.

 

[surpip]

Dave Smith is pretty great. His podcast is "part of the problem", recommend listening to it. Listen to the episodes with Scott Horton for break downs of all the military conflicts we are in.

Agree, he is quite knowledgeable in these areas, impressively so.

 

[Thumping]

"Gary" Russian propaganda....

 

[surpip]

"Gary" Russian propaganda....

lol, thought that as soon as I posted, but Gary is the exact opposite of "impressively knowledgeable" so there's that.

 

[Slander]

Agree, he is quite knowledgeable in these areas, impressively so.

I'm sure you know but his website is antiwar.com. amazing the news articles they post there vs what the MSM is publishing. Fun to compare and contrast.

 

[jimbo92]

Apparently the Q people think Russia has a secret city under Antarctica or some shit. Very curious where this goes....

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Apparently the Q people think Russia has a secret city under Antarctica or some shit. Very curious where this goes....

Wasn't that the whole "no going outside of your designated zones" thing? I thought all Russia would have to do to break the treaty would be to send a group to the middle of the continent....























....and contact the lizard people.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Why didn't Obama spike the ball? (He was no dummy, but sure seemed to have a lot of strings attached to him...)

I remember that cartoon.

 

[Mikel]

"Very dangerous to the journalists"

 

[CDA 455 II]

 

[Bggrnchvy]

Can't remember where I saw it but there was a report somewhere that the US was testing ship launched underwater drones days before the explosions. Placing some form of homing beacons?

It's not impossible, the question becomes why? Why would you go through the effort of bringing a visible surface ship to site to plant an underwater beacon, just to come back with a highly visible aircraft to drop a torpedo to hit an underwater pipeline of a hostile nation? Those are all actions with vessels you take when you have nothing to hide, not when you are clandestinely plotting to blow up something everyone will soon know is blown up. It has all the downsides and none of the upsides, it's slow (bringing a ship first then an aircraft) and it is obvious.

774 boat from Groton to Faslane, load up with a DDS, move unseen into the Baltic, unload a weapon(s), putter away unseen. No one knows you are there. If you do this however you do not put a surface vessel atop for a few days and then bring a P8 back later to make sure they know you were in the area because that would be insane.

The most important thing to find out is if the pipeline imploded or exploded. That helps narrow the true actor.

I do not support the UKR .gov but the way this conflict has progressed is quite interesting, most specifically watching 1GTA get slapped around by a non-peer countries armored battalions and Russia's complete lack of SEAD ability. The rest is interesting as well, but those alone are worth mentioning.

 

[Thumping]

It's not impossible, the question becomes why? Why would you go through the effort of bringing a visible surface ship to site to plant an underwater beacon, just to come back with a highly visible aircraft to drop a torpedo to hit an underwater pipeline of a hostile nation? Those are all actions with vessels you take when you have nothing to hide, not when you are clandestinely plotting to blow up something everyone will soon know is blown up. It has all the downsides and none of the upsides, it's slow (bringing a ship first then an aircraft) and it is obvious.

744 boat from Groton to Faslane, load up with a DDS, move unseen into the Baltic, unload a weapon(s), putter away unseen. No one knows you are there. If you do this however you do not put a surface vessel atop for a few days and then bring a P8 back later to make sure they know you were in the area because that would be insane.

The most important thing to find out is if the pipeline imploded or exploded. That helps narrow the true actor.

I do not support the UKR .gov but the way this conflict has progressed is quite interesting, most specifically watching 1GTA get slapped around by a non-peer countries armored battalions and Russia's complete lack of SEAD ability. The rest is interesting as well, but those alone are worth mentioning.

Well the question could be asked why the fuck this administration has done 90% of the stupid shit it has done and frankly....its right out in the open for all to see and they just look around saying nope, not us, not our fault.

So, there's that.