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ugh, that guy again?
you can pass that buck further back
probably all the way back to before the US was even a thing
arse_sidewards
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"Two superpowers, one Afghanistan" was basically a shitty remake of all those times the French backed various Barbary states in order to get under the skin of the Spanish or Italians.
Johann
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All Hamas has to do to stop the pain for any innocents in Gaza is surrender. Stop calling for the destruction of Israel and start working on being a good neighbor instead of actively fortifying Gaza to attack Israel like they had since they took over.
shortbus4x4
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I don't trust the numbers by the Gaza Ministry of Health(Hamas). They inflate them for a reason and don't make any distinction between their fighters and civilians.
Guess there will be some casinos on the Gaza Strip in a bit then if they're being treated like the Native Americans.
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That's like saying all the south had to to do avoid a civil was was give up their slaves.
You are ignorant of what is politically possible at this juncture
Getting gaza to a point where enough of the inhabitants can be "good neighbors" would be a generations long process and such endeavors do not guarantee results.
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MigGunslinger
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CNN Quoting the Gaza Ministry of health (Hamas) huh? That's like a propaganda triple threat.
Aid is stacked up on the border of Gaza, the issue is not even muslim drivers want to drive the trucks in to get hijacked and killed by Hamas.
Israel could carpet bomb Gaza any time they want, there are millions of people there even with the inflated numbers of civilian deaths, the number is too low to prove any type of effort at "genocide"
As far as the US building a pier to provide aid? Hamas prays for the death of Israel and the US seven times a day, no chance they don't start lobbing RPGs and sewer pipe rockets at Americans first chance they get. Then we get some more dead US soldiers with more cowardly vacillating from our supposed leaders.
This is Israel's war, they allowed it to happen, they are fighting door to door. All we should be doing is sitting in our big grey boats to prevent Iran from popping off and obliterating any stupid motherfuckers that shoot at our boats or people.
Gtrplyr78
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This right here I agree with you 100%.
For a long time Israel has been puffing their chest at the world with US in their corner.
Same goes for the other side with China/Russia influence amongst others.
Fact is that the military complex is making crazy profits to let this go. For all involved.
(As for the CNN report, I have little faith in anything they spin, seems most other media correlates on those nunbers from a quick internet search last night.)
MigGunslinger
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I understand the issue about looking for solid numbers, that is information warfare at its heart. It's not what happened but what you can make people believe happened, which is the way it has always been just the veneers are different.
The only "official" numbers you will get out of Gaza are the numbers that Hamas want because Hamas is in control and will kill anyone who does not cooperate. There are "independent journalists" in Gaza they are 100% backing Hamas because it would be death not to.
For the record I think it is 100% bullshit the amount of lobbying Israel is allowed to do in our government and the amount of money we give to them per year. If I was king of America there would be a lot of foreign influences and puppet masters that would be getting late night visits from us.
Johann
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No it is not. That is about the most wrong comparison you could have chosen. The South pretty much wanted to be left alone and did not call for the extinction of the people who were in the Union.
And you are the one ignorant of the history of the area.
The "Gazans" have been under the control of the Palestinian Authority since the Olso accords of the 90s. Hamas has been in control of it since 2007. That IS generations! During either stage of that they could have chosen peace. They have continued to call for the death of every Jew and attacked from there when they thought it might get them something.
Israel is not completely innocent with their settlement efforts but if the Palestinians had come to the table any time peace was offered in the last 30 years they could have stopped that process with negotiation.
MuntCuffin
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You see someone that did you wrong in the past. They hold resentment towards you, and you towards them.
you want to gouge out their eyes and kick them in the teeth. But! You don't want to be seen as a murderous dickbag.
You know their every move because you have amassed an incredible surveillance system, and your best buddy is a master spy.
They cook up a plan to kill your mother in order to fuck with you.
Do you
A.) Prevent them from killing your mother
Or
B.) Let them kill your mother so you have free reign to gouge out their eyes and kick them in the teeth?
Which is the right thing to do?
Which scenarion most accurately describes whT happened?
Who knew what and when?
I'd have to imagine that Gaza was, and is, the most heavily monitored strip of shithole on earth. Complicit or incompetent...pick one.
nahmus
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I don't really believe the numbers out of Gaza. They have lied before and I believe that there are multiple instances of pictures being setup and numbers inflated.
It is not the attacking forces responsibility to protect the civilians on the attacking side. thats a sad reality of war. It's hamas's duty as the ruling force in that territory to protest it's own citizens.
Hamas leaders want their civilians to suffer so that it brings public opinion aginst isreal, which it has done.
Hamas has not built a new hospital in years, but they rebuilt their tunnel system every time it's hit. Don't want hospitals attacked? Don't hide under them. Here is a breakdown of money spent on Gaza. WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY? It certainly does not look like they spent it in the gaza strip
— From 2014-2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone. More than 80% of that funding is channeled through the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, who make up three-fourths of Gaza’s population. Some 280,000 children in Gaza attend schools run by UNRWA, which also provides health services and food aid.
— Qatar has provided $1.3 billion in aid to Gaza since 2012 for construction, health services and agriculture. That includes $360 million pledged in January for 2021 and another $500 million pledged for reconstruction after the war in May. Qatar’s aid also goes to needy families and to help pay Hamas government salaries.
— The Palestinian Authority says it will spend $1.7 billion on Gaza this year, mainly on salaries for tens of thousands of civil servants who stopped working when Hamas took over in 2007.
— Egypt pledged $500 million in aid after the May war, but it’s unclear how much has materialized. It sent construction crews to clear rubble over the summer.
Why are the big hamas (from what I have read) leaders living in Qutar and not in gaza?
Why are all the palistinian protesters asking for a cease fire from isreal but not a hostage release from hamas?
there was a case fire, then hamas slaughtered innocent people. Armies take prisioners. Terrorists take hostages.
You can't slaughter another countries citizens and then complain when they country fights back.
Palistine just wants to be free!!!!! no. they want to wipe isreal off the map. Since 1929 isreal has offered palistinians their own state 5 seperate times and each time isreal agreed and palistine said no. Most ofthe time isreal was going to be losing something in the agreement but they still said yes.
How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past - Law and Society Magazine.
If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors. But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their...
lawandsocietymagazine.com
These are just my opinions. I would much rather hamas negotiate for what they want but when someone says over and over that they want to kill you just because of who you are, when they teach their kids to hate you from school on up just because you exist. At some point you have to make a decision for your survival.
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You sound like a liberal NPC by using the term genocide.
The Natives? No genocide, or else we would have killed every last one of them and all the rich ones sucking up the tax dollars and cashing casino checks would not exist right now. Not to mention our kindness in giving them reservations where they could govern themselves. Name another country that's nice enough to do that?
Israel and hospitals? More stupid NPC nonsense. If bad guys hole up in a building and lob booms at you, are you gonna sit back and say you can't attack back because that building is a hospital? Good way to die. Anyone against you need only occupy a hospital and they can kill you at will and your hands remain tied behind your back for fear of being called NPC names by the liberal western media. Only a coward would take up position in a hospital or school where they know any retaliation will result in that place and any innocents getting hit, yet you say nothing of the sort to condemn those acts because the TV and CNN didn't tell you to.
Gtrplyr78
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MuntCuffin
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Genocide? Hard case to make for that. Seems to lack the systematic approach.
Indiscriminate? Yes
Ethnic cleansing? Could make a strong case for it...
Indiscriminate? Yes
Ethnic cleansing? Could make a strong case for it...
CarterKraft
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Gaza drone video shows killing of Palestinians in Israeli air attack
Video retrieved from an Israeli drone shows the moments four Palestinians were killed by Israeli air attacks.
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I chose the comparison specifically because the south pre civil war is something many here are familiar with and other than the religious extremism it's a pretty good parallel.
The Hamas/Gaza leadership can't just say "ok, we'll play nice" without getting kicked out and replaced by the culture that elevated them to those positions any more than politicians in the south in 1859 could. Best they can do is get the ball ever so slowly rolling that direction which would take decades and could easily be un-done by a subsequent leader. But, Hamas leadership is basically a bunch of extremists who make money off the situation so on top of the political difficulty they have a giant personal incentive to double down rather than back off.
You are the ignorant dumbass here. Yes, gaza is ruled by a bunch of assholes but they can't turn on a dime, it's not that simple.
Of course, but that's just the reality of that part of the world. I don't really hold it against them.
TRINDU
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Comparing this to the USA 'stealing' land from native tribes is fundamentally retarded. The Judaism in the region predate the goat fuckers by about 2400 years. Israel is more or less the natives. The world will be a better place when you let Israel govern the region.
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Eisenhower almost figured that out:
We Are Still Living With Eisenhower's Biggest Mistake - The Tower
A new book on President Eisenhower's fateful decision to side with Egypt against American allies in 1956 has profound repercussions for today. MICHAEL J. TOTTEN explores the lessons of 'Ike's Gamble.'
I think the idea of creating a Jewish state surrounded by Arab states was the guarantee of perpetual wars and that the military industrial complex would thrive.
Ike was in a no-win situation.
Johann
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Just because people here have a passing understanding of our American Civil War doesn't make it a good comparison.
So you are saying that Hamas cant stop calling for the destruction of Israel or they will be kicked out? By whom? They haven't had elections there since 2005 when they won power!
I feel bad for the civilians caught in the middle. But that is war. The citizens of Dresden and Tokyo probably regretted their support of their govt as their shit got pushed in too.
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More or less. They've gone too far down this road and fanned the flames to hard to turn around in a useful timeline (i.e. before Israel subjugates them all).
By whoever is looking to usurp power and is willing to play politics and get his boss ousted to do it. I'm sure in the top Hamas circle there's plenty of those types. Ain't no different than any other dictator. You can't rise to power by pointing at a common enemy and then start looking weak on that enemy once you're there or one of the hardliners around you will take your job with the support of everyone else around you.
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ugh, that guy again?
fuckin rofl
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CIA/ISIS in Dagestan
Reports: One Of The Terrorists Who Were Killed After Killing Over A Dozen In Dagestan Was MMA Fighter Gadzhimurad Kagirov From Khabib Nurmagomedov's Fight Camp
Reports: One Of The Terrorists Who Were Killed After Killing Over A Dozen In Dagestan Was MMA Fighter Gadzhimurad Kagirov From Khabib Nurmagomedov's Fight Camp