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Road tires - bead balancing vs traditional weights?

bad zuki said:
Bead balancing will produce a better result at 30MPH while balance beads are better at 60MPH.
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Bead balancing will produce a better result at 30MPH while balance beads are better at 60MPH.
Bead balancing will produce a better result at 30MPH while balance beads are better at 60MPH.
bad zuki said:
They should. It makes balancing tires alot easier and uses less weights.

I recommend putting 2 Bags of Beads in on 40"s or bigger. Anything smaller will fit on our balancer. RIM Bead balancing will produce a better result at 30MPH while balancing beads are better at 60MPH.
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[486] said:
reed et agin
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dafuq am i missing.
 
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[486] said:
so beads are better at 30, but beads are better at 60

makes perfect sense
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I guess the old southern way of saying balancing was to bead balance or mount weights next to the bead of the tire. :homer:
Balancing beads aren't used in LT and car tires. Truck tires just get the balancing bead set, bag and all.
 
[486] said:
so beads are better at 30, but beads are better at 60

makes perfect sense
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Heck we could talk about bead to bead recapping.
Or are you just excited that we are talking about beads in another thread. :shaking::flipoff2:
 
bad zuki said:
I guess the old southern way of saying balancing was to bead balance or mount weights next to the bead of the tire. :homer:
Balancing beads aren't used in LT and car tires. Truck tires just get the balancing bead set, bag and all.
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Local shop just tosses a bag of beads in each 22.5 or larger on road tire
 
[486] said:
so beads are better at 30, but beads are better at 60

makes perfect sense
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Careful, I deciphered what he meant but your inability to do so makes me glad I don't try and analyze other stuff you write that puzzles me. I just say WTF and move on. And I gave no shits about what Wenzel wrote for the same reason.
 
Depends on the beads. Ceramic beads weigh more so will take a higher speed to disperse properly. Airsoft BBs work great and won't fall out of suspension until you almost come to a stop.

If Airsoft BBs can balance out my military MTRs, they should work on almost anything, you just need enough of them.
 
Elwenil said:
Depends on the beads. Ceramic beads weigh more so will take a higher speed to disperse properly. Airsoft BBs work great and won't fall out of suspension until you almost come to a stop.
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Not sure if the science backs that up. More weight in a smaller object may move easier.
 
Filthy McChevy said:
Careful, I deciphered what he meant but your inability to do so makes me glad I don't try and analyze other stuff you write that puzzles me. I just say WTF and move on. And I gave no shits about what Wenzel wrote for the same reason.
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you absolutely should not try and make sense of what I say, it is not good for anyone's mental health to understand what I'm poorly trying to say
that goes pretty much 100% of the time
 
[486] said:
you absolutely should not try and make sense of what I say, it is not good for anyone's mental health to understand what I'm poorly trying to say
that goes pretty much 100% of the time
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No harm no foul, :laughing: I cant hear all that well either so I just nod and think whatever pretty often.
 
WaterH said:
Put an airsoft BB and a ball bearing on a flat surface. Tilt the surface slightly. The ball bearing will immediately start rolling while the BB waits for more angle.
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Is that because of weight or hardness and contact patch? A steel wheel will roll before a hard rubber tire assuming equivalent weight (and therefore force).

Edit: before one of the usual four or so twats tries to nitpick, I'm not disputing that the heavier object is being pulled on harder by gravity and that on an inclined plane therefore has more side force on it. I'm saying that may not be the reason this experiment works this way.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Is that because of weight or hardness and contact patch? A steel wheel will roll before a hard rubber tire assuming equivalent weight (and therefore force).

Edit: before one of the usual four or so twats tries to nitpick, I'm not disputing that the heavier object is being pulled on harder by gravity and that on an inclined plane therefore has more side force on it. I'm saying that may not be the reason this experiment works this way.
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Could be. Could be because the bearing is more precisely made also. In a perfect world they should move at the same time. But the inside of a tire ain’t no perfect world.
 
Why not both?

I have new KO2s on the van that were balanced with lead but i also have a bunch of beads that i never used on an old project.

I have been thinking about throwing the beads in and not removing the leads just to compensate when i pick up rocks, mud, etc. in the treads.

Dumb idea or what? Why?
 
dntsdad said:
Why not both?

I have new KO2s on the van that were balanced with lead but i also have a bunch of beads that i never used on an old project.

I have been thinking about throwing the beads in and not removing the leads just to compensate when i pick up rocks, mud, etc. in the treads.

Dumb idea or what? Why?
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A good static balance is a better foundation for dynamic balancing media - don't pull the weights if the tires are already decently balanced.
 
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ExWrench said:
A good static balance is a better foundation for dynamic balancing media - don't pull the weights if the tires are already decently balanced.
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I wasn't going to pull the weights off. I was just thinking off adding the beads as is.

I just got the wheels and tires and drove almost 3000 miles without any issues but as the tires wear and like I said, pick up mud, rocks, etc. I was thinking on my drive that adding the beads MAY be good to compensate.

No idea though if running both lead and beads is a good idea or meh.
 
dntsdad said:
I wasn't going to pull the weights off. I was just thinking off adding the beads as is.

I just got the wheels and tires and drove almost 3000 miles without any issues but as the tires wear and like I said, pick up mud, rocks, etc. I was thinking on my drive that adding the beads MAY be good to compensate.

No idea though if running both lead and beads is a good idea or meh.
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Good idea IMHO :beer:
 
Well, I have a kit here that I never used so I figured what the hell. Not seeing how it can hurt but not sure 100% either.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Is that because of weight or hardness and contact patch? A steel wheel will roll before a hard rubber tire assuming equivalent weight (and therefore force).

Edit: before one of the usual four or so twats tries to nitpick, I'm not disputing that the heavier object is being pulled on harder by gravity and that on an inclined plane therefore has more side force on it. I'm saying that may not be the reason this experiment works this way.
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Not to nitpick:flipoff2:..............but gravity pulls on both the same. The heavier object is not being pulled on harder than the lighter object.



Is there such a thing as too much balancing beads in a tire? I understand filling the tire is retarded. Buy say if it called for 10oz of beads and you put in 30oz. Would it work, not work as good, not work at all?

I've never seen a chart that showed how many oz's to put in a 45" tire.
 
gt1guy said:
Not to nitpick:flipoff2:..............but gravity pulls on both the same. The heavier object is not being pulled on harder than the lighter object.



Is there such a thing as too much balancing beads in a tire? I understand filling the tire is retarded. Buy say if it called for 10oz of beads and you put in 30oz. Would it work, not work as good, not work at all?

I've never seen a chart that showed how many oz's to put in a 45" tire.
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Does weight affect centrifugal force?

Also, as far as how many beads, yeah, you can go full retard with it, but doubling the amount isn't an issue. I used the weight required from one of the ceramic beads manufacturers for my 37s with I had the old MTs and they worked ok. When I got my MTRs, I went with double the amount and it worked a lot better. Might have something to do with the military tires being a little heavier than the average 37" tire.
 
Yeah, 8oz would not be enough for a military 37. I had 10oz in the MTs, 20oz in the MTRs. The latter worked much better.
 
So this is an interesting time for this thread. I got a flat tire last week. I ordered two more tires so I have a spare. I removed the flat and mounted one of the new ones. Because I had about 30 K miles on the tires, I figured I would remove the other rear tire and use it for the spare and have two new tires on the rear of the truck.

Backround,
When I first built the truck, I did a quick dynamic balance with my helicopter balancer. That was fine during building annd initial testing, but was not good enough once I got the truck on the highway. So I installed “Dyna-beads” in the tires. They did not run smooth. Then I bought the ceramic balancers and installed them. The tires did not run smooth. I took the truck to a big truck outfit that had a dynamic balancer and had them balanced. The guy bitched because the beads screw with his machine. But he got the truck reasonable for driving on the highway. That’s how I left it till now.

Now I had no beads for the flat tire because they spread over the road. When I disassembled the good tire, I spilled the beads all over, so I didn’t have enough to even do one tire. I did scoop some up off the floor and put them in a cup.

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Those beads are heavy. They weigh about the same as the airsoft BBs in the bag here. That bag would over fill that cup. You can see the beads are very small also.

In any case, I didn’t put any beads in the new tires. Also, I removed the ceramic rings from the two rear wheels.

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I installed the new tires on the truck and hooked up my helicopter balancer.

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This time I took my time and balanced the tires down to .2 inches per second. I know from experience that on a helicopter, that is smooth. The one tire took a good chunk of steel and some stick on weights to accomplish this.

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Believe it or not, the other tire ran that smooth with no added weight.

I took it out for a test drive. I was not expecting it to be great because these tires are known to be out of round as well as ballance.

The truck ran smoother then ever. In fact, I’m thinking of removing the beads and ceramic rings from the front tires. I think that the beads and rings make the truck vibrate while it’s getting up to speed. Without them it seems better at all speeds.

This is not the only truck that I have experimented with beads. I used the airsoft BBs on my Bronco with mixed results. That experience was the reason I decided to pay the big bucks and get the expensive Dyna-beads. It turns out that I should have just spent more time with my helicopter balancer.

It’s a lot of work tearing my tires apart to remove the beads, but I can tell you I’m done with them in the future.
 
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