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grumpy356 said:
The evangelicals ALWAYS had grips in the party deeper than the libertarians. Republicans were always about legislating morality.
(Cough, cough… abortion)

And as to the second part. You are in complete denial what your party is. It’s Jeb & John… the Republican in name only would be Rand. Hell son… how can you not see it???

and any shift you see in it, is only because Trump & his supporters drug it there.
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Wrong yet again. It wasn't until after Barry Goldwater lost to Johnson in 1964 that the party got desperate for a new voter base and started pandering to the far Christian right. Goldwater warned against it extensively through the end of his career and basically everything he warned against came true. They replaced too large of a voter base and were too demanding to appease and it started the GOP on a huge downhill slide for years.

You're stuck in what the GOP has been in your lifetime and have zero idea what you're talking about outside of that. I'm talking about the entire history of what the party has been and you're stuck in a narrow window of it. The shift back towards more libertarian positions started long before Trump came along. It started with the Tea Party movement within the party in response to Bush's administration before it was co-oped and the fact that that far religious right group of voters started dying off and shrank enormously from the early 00s to now.
 
WaterH said:
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I never heard Trump say he was supporting EVs. He may have toned down his jokes about them, but he certainly is not looking to incentivize them. I agree with that. EVs are fine IF they can compete in the free market. I truly believe they will take over the market, but that’s a long way down the road.

Trump is a far cry from perfect, but he’s the only hope we have. I sincerely believe he’s the only hope the world has. Because if and when the USA falls, there won’t be a place to go. (Maybe Argentina, but I doubt it) Won’t that be funny when Argentina builds a wall to keep North Americans from going there?
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Keep up dude...This happened during the Trump-Musk interview on X in a well a wella manner when Elon Musk announced he would support Trump with $45M/month towards his election...then Musk back pedalled later after the interview saying it would be less and only in a PAC along with a few Silicon Valley venture capital types (friends of Vance no doubt). Trump is even suggesting Musk for a cabinet position if he's elected.
 
DVanVorous said:
Keep up dude...This happened during the Trump-Musk interview on X in a well a wella manner when Elon Musk announced he would support Trump with $45M/month towards his election...then Musk back pedalled later after the interview saying it would be less and only in a PAC along with a few Silicon Valley venture capital types (friends of Vance no doubt). Trump is even suggesting Musk for a cabinet position if he's elected.
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Link to Elon announcing he would be giving $45 million a month.
 
Mr.Ratbastard said:
Link to Elon announcing he would be giving $45 million a month.
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All the articles cited the typical "according to sources familiar with Musk" that is common place in "journalism" these days. I believe it was Wall Street Journal that first reported it.
 
WaterH said:
This chart has a problem. The republicans don’t deny climate change. Anybody with half a brain knows that it has been happening for millions of years. If you are talking about man made climate change, indeed, that has never been proven. In fact, every prediction has been proven wrong.
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On brand that the only thing you thought was wrong in that picture is the climate change piece on the Republican side.
 
DVanVorous said:
Keep up dude...This happened during the Trump-Musk interview on X in a well a wella manner when Elon Musk announced he would support Trump with $45M/month towards his election...then Musk back pedalled later after the interview saying it would be less and only in a PAC along with a few Silicon Valley venture capital types (friends of Vance no doubt). Trump is even suggesting Musk for a cabinet position if he's elected.
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This happened? I saw Trump in a rally after the interview and he was not supporting EVs. He said Musk admitted we are not ready for that change over. But like I said, he didn’t make the usual jokes about EVs. He said they are ok for some people.
 
BDK said:
Trump isn't my favorite person, I don't want to hang out with him or be his golfing buddy. I don't know, he actually might be a decent person to sit down and have a conversation with.

The effect he has on the ruling class of politicians, the total TDS, the fact that he's the most investigated man in history and they had to make up shit to charge him with, that his balls are so big he takes a bullet to the ear and the next day is flying to the GOP convention, and that he has proven he is better at presidenting than any president in recent history, makes him the best choice.

All the other side has is a horrible performance running the country, and lies, lots of lies. I don't like being blatantly lied to, I'm not a fool and don't appreciate being treated like one by those currently in office. I find it insulting and intolerable.

And, those assholes have cost me a lot of money. I made a good chunk during the Trump years. What should really matter to voters is what they have done for you vs to you.
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Sums it up for Sept 2024
 
CarterKraft said:
I never understood how the parties "flipped"

I never understood how the population of Germany was cool with mass murder...

But after the last 4 years I am starting to get it
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Me neither. I never could get how Hitler was able to amass so much power.

Now, watching the USA, I get it as well. We have been on a slippery slope for as long as I can remember and I was paying attention. Currently however, that "slope" has turned into a sharp downward angle.

Now, you have one political party openly calling for letting in anyone and everyone, giving them money to buy houses, kicking people out of hotels in Time Fucking Square to house them, paying for their college, etc.

We pay off student loans with public money.

We know for a fact that the sitting president spied on the former president during the campaign

We know for a fact the the democratic nominee, and wife a former president, paid to have the Steele Dossier created and then our FBI used that as a pretense to open investigation and drive a propaganda campaign against the Republican nominee. All the while, knowing it was completely false and used it to obtain FISA warrants by lying to Federal judges and presenting false evidence.

We know for a fact that the FBI knew that the laptop was real and legit and the lied to social media sites to block any mention of it, including PMs.

We are pretty sure that the oligarchs in the democratic party forced out the sitting President of the United States. Then, appointed a successor to the nomination with zero votes. Dems cry that she was next in line through voting in 2020 and that is true to replace Biden today! Not for the run of the next term. That election is good for four years. Dems just laid over like cucks.

The clamp down on free speech, platforms, and changing of language is straight out of a modern day 1984 story. It's just about a cliche now to say to but it's also true. This is happening in Europe, the UK and Brazil. The Pelosis, Shiffs, etc of the left would literally kill to get that power here. It would be one party rule like California for decades if not more.

The democrats are literally steps away from a full fascist regime with total control.
 
dntsdad said:
Me neither. I never could get how Hitler was able to amass so much power.

Now, watching the USA, I get it as well. We have been on a slippery slope for as long as I can remember and I was paying attention. Currently however, that "slope" has turned into a sharp downward angle.

Now, you have one political party openly calling for letting in anyone and everyone, giving them money to buy houses, kicking people out of hotels in Time Fucking Square to house them, paying for their college, etc.

We pay off student loans with public money.

We know for a fact that the sitting president spied on the former president during the campaign

We know for a fact the the democratic nominee, and wife a former president, paid to have the Steele Dossier created and then our FBI used that as a pretense to open investigation and drive a propaganda campaign against the Republican nominee. All the while, knowing it was completely false and used it to obtain FISA warrants by lying to Federal judges and presenting false evidence.

We know for a fact that the FBI knew that the laptop was real and legit and the lied to social media sites to block any mention of it, including PMs.

We are pretty sure that the oligarchs in the democratic party forced out the sitting President of the United States. Then, appointed a successor to the nomination with zero votes. Dems cry that she was next in line through voting in 2020 and that is true to replace Biden today! Not for the run of the next term. That election is good for four years. Dems just laid over like cucks.

The clamp down on free speech, platforms, and changing of language is straight out of a modern day 1984 story. It's just about a cliche now to say to but it's also true. This is happening in Europe, the UK and Brazil. The Pelosis, Shiffs, etc of the left would literally kill to get that power here. It would be one party rule like California for decades if not more.

The democrats are literally steps away from a full fascist regime with total control.
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And to be fair I would not put past similar take over from the other side given the chance.

Those dumb asses that over turned Roe makes me really question the parties strength. That move was so dumb it almost appears to be a setup to throw the election.
Someone is playing 4d chess or is really anept
 
61scout80 said:
How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?
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If you'll take a good look at history, you'll notice that the parties flipped decades ago. The Repubs who were hell bent on keeping slaves have been replaced by Dems who keep an entire class of people in slavery and they don't even realize it. The poles of the earth shift, the parties continue to change but all anyone is worried about is who is giving the handout or who they're giving it to.
 
CarterKraft said:
And to be fair I would not put past similar take over from the other side given the chance.

Those dumb asses that over turned Roe makes me really question the parties strength. That move was so dumb it almost appears to be a setup to throw the election.
Someone is playing 4d chess or is really anept
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it was played totally wrong.

You get your media propaganda wing out 1st playing the victim.

“Rabble Rabble Rabble… This was a terrible ruling, because it didn’t legally define a life. This ruling all but approved of late term abortions happening in states like New York… Rabble .. Rabble.. Rabble”

The democrats are really good at this and the Republicans suck at it.
 
Halffastford said:
If you'll take a good look at history, you'll notice that the parties flipped decades ago. The Repubs who were hell bent on keeping slaves have been replaced by Dems who keep an entire class of people in slavery and they don't even realize it. The poles of the earth shift, the parties continue to change but all anyone is worried about is who is giving the handout or who they're giving it to.
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When were the Repubs hell bent of keeping slaves. I must have fallen asleep in class during that....:shaking:



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CarterKraft said:
And to be fair I would not put past similar take over from the other side given the chance.

Those dumb asses that over turned Roe makes me really question the parties strength. That move was so dumb it almost appears to be a setup to throw the election.
Someone is playing 4d chess or is really anept
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You mean the Supreme Court? :homer:

Roe being overturned was decades overdue. Yeah, the timing was horrible but the SCOTUS isn't responsible for the political fallout of it's decisions nor should they be considered when it makes a ruling. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg lectured for decades about how bad of a ruling Roe was, how likely it was to be overturned, and how it shouldn't be considered the final say in the abortion debate. Dems used it as political leverage for decades instead of passing law to protect abortions despite numerous chances to do so with control of both Congress and the White House.

The timing was bad, but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for blowing the midterms by having a bunch of red state legislatures immediately enact 6 week abortion bans. The fire was containable until the GOP decided to dump a bunch of gas all over it right before the midterms.
 
Archer said:
When were the Repubs hell bent of keeping slaves. I must have fallen asleep in class during that....:shaking:



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Must have missed the part where they only freed the slaves in the rebellious states but managed to allow it to continue in border and Northern states. You might have been in the bathroom when that was covered.
 
Motorcharge said:
You mean the Supreme Court? :homer:

Roe being overturned was decades overdue. Yeah, the timing was horrible but the SCOTUS isn't responsible for the political fallout of it's decisions nor should they be considered when it makes a ruling. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg lectured for decades about how bad of a ruling Roe was, how likely it was to be overturned, and how it shouldn't be considered the final say in the abortion debate. Dems used it as political leverage for decades instead of passing law to protect abortions despite numerous chances to do so with control of both Congress and the White House.

The timing was bad, but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for blowing the midterms by having a bunch of red state legislatures immediately enact 6 week abortion bans. The fire was containable until the GOP decided to dump a bunch of gas all over it right before the midterms.
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It's good to know the Supreme Court is UN-Biased:shaking:

The GOP you speak of, is that a new hand cleaner?:flipoff2:
 
It doesn't matter what you vote, they will do whatever they want to until ALL the people get off the porch and demand (Peacefully, while not working) A week should turn shit around.
 
CarterKraft said:
And to be fair I would not put past similar take over from the other side given the chance.

Those dumb asses that over turned Roe makes me really question the parties strength. That move was so dumb it almost appears to be a setup to throw the election.
Someone is playing 4d chess or is really anept
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RvW change was a win for the COTUS. The way it was handled, though, with the 'illegal leak that we can't figure out and will never do anything about' is the issue.

Having said that... it's probably the least of the Constitutional issues we are facing right now...
 
Halffastford said:
Must have missed the part where they only freed the slaves in the rebellious states but managed to allow it to continue in border and Northern states. You might have been in the bathroom when that was covered.
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Considering the Repub. party was only founded in the 1850's for the purpose of stopping the expansion of slavery into the west I'm still not understanding where your coming from.
 
Archer said:
Considering the Repub. party was only founded in the 1850's for the purpose of stopping the expansion of slavery into the west I'm still not understanding where your coming from.
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He's referring to companies in the northern states running indentured servitude operations. Like living in the company built towns, getting paid in credits at the company store etc... So the workers weren't "slaves", but they pretty much were.
 
Slander said:
He's referring to companies in the northern states running indentured servitude operations. Like living in the company built towns, getting paid in credits at the company store etc... So the workers weren't "slaves", but they pretty much were.
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That wasn't slavery. You didn't have to be black to work in a company town paid with company markers to be spent in company stores. :shaking:




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Motorcharge said:
You mean the Supreme Court? :homer:

Roe being overturned was decades overdue. Yeah, the timing was horrible but the SCOTUS isn't responsible for the political fallout of it's decisions nor should they be considered when it makes a ruling. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg lectured for decades about how bad of a ruling Roe was, how likely it was to be overturned, and how it shouldn't be considered the final say in the abortion debate. Dems used it as political leverage for decades instead of passing law to protect abortions despite numerous chances to do so with control of both Congress and the White House.

The timing was bad, but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for blowing the midterms by having a bunch of red state legislatures immediately enact 6 week abortion bans. The fire was containable until the GOP decided to dump a bunch of gas all over it right before the midterms.
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Roe was a privacy case that was never utilized correctly and totally misrepresented.

The fact Republicans break their back to say how the bill of rights gives no privacy protection and completely ignores the fact that the 10th says just because it didn't spell it out, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. and the 4th and 5th allude to it, is sad.
 
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Archer said:
Considering the Repub. party was only founded in the 1850's for the purpose of stopping the expansion of slavery into the west I'm still not understanding where your coming from.
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He's referring to the Emancipation Proclamation in that it specifically only frees slaves in Confederate states and specifically excluded Union states and territories.
 
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