Question for life-long Republicans.

[grumpy356]

I lost you because you're dumb. I mean libertarian as opposed to authoritarian, which is why I used the small l.

Also just no.

The evangelicals ALWAYS had grips in the party deeper than the libertarians. Republicans were always about legislating morality.
(Cough, cough… abortion)

And as to the second part. You are in complete denial what your party is. It’s Jeb & John… the Republican in name only would be Rand. Hell son… how can you not see it???

and any shift you see in it, is only because Trump & his supporters drug it there.

 

[Animalmother]

The evangelicals ALWAYS had grips in the party deeper than the libertarians. Republicans were always about legislating morality.
(Cough, cough… abortion)

Those pesky laws protecting life, liberty, and property. How terrible.

 

[Gtrplyr78]

Two sides of the same coin, playing people off of each other.

Thieving their way from our hard work, in return we get a falling apart nation.

 

[PAE]

The original 13th amdt attempted to do just that but it was thwarted by evil men before it was enacted in a large scale.

The original 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution was the Titles of Nobility Amendment (TONA), which was passed by Congress but not ratified by enough states. The TONA would have revoked citizenship for anyone who accepted a title of nobility or honor from a foreign state without congressional permission. The amendment was widely believed to be part of the Constitution until the late nineteenth century.

https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billh...3th amendment,and retain any present, pension

Sometimes I think that if we just didn't let lawyers run for political office, things would be much better off. Sure there's a couple positions that require a lawyer but that should be it. Just seems to me that pooling people from a group that tells lies for a living, results in lying bags of shit in office.

 

[Pocahontas]

No party represents me 100% dems vs reps is an easy choice. Libertarian party has jumped the shark. Personally I’m for equality for politicians which means break out the guillotines. You fall below 50% approval and off it goes, would do wonders for the crazy’s on either side.

 

[gt1guy]

I see the R's as just as bad as the D's now in that neither gives a flying fuck about the constitution or the people. They both want to fuck you out of your rights and control you, just via different methods. FUCK both of them.

Are you going to vote the same way as your adopted state does? Or did you show up with your own agenda?

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

Trump is the true libertarian that's why so many politicians on both sides hate him.
I get it, he isn't perfect and I agree with that. Now name anyone running that can do a better job.

 

[grumpy356]

. Now name anyone running that can do a better job.

Rand

(Not running… but ran).

You think if Rand was president in COVID the country would look anything like it does today?

But people are stupid, so he didn’t get the opportunity to show it.

 

[DVanVorous]

Reagan was a democrat at one time.

It’s a uniparty

And Teddy Roosevelt was a republican who was seriously antimonopoly/trust and set up the USFS. Leopards change spots to suit their base...

 

[east_beast]

Just give me a party that wants actual fiscal responsibility, doesn't war mongers across the globe to feed the MIC, and actually fights for individual liberties.

Yeah, I sure wish the Libertarians would get their shit together but I don't see it ever happening.

 

[east_beast]

Trump is the true libertarian that's why so many politicians on both sides hate him.
I get it, he isn't perfect and I agree with that. Now name anyone running that can do a better job.

Thomas Massie.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Just give me a party that wants actual fiscal responsibility, doesn't war mongers across the globe to feed the MIC, and actually fights for individual liberties.

Never going to happen, the government wouldn't allow it. You get voting for the lesser of two evils and you will like it.....

 

[east_beast]

Never going to happen, the government wouldn't allow it. You get voting for the lesser of two evils and you will like it.....

Agreed. Because at the end of the day both parties are for a blank check to the MIC and endless corporate welfare. They keep us fighting over social issues because the actual power players don't give a fuck about that shit. It's just stuff to keep the peasants distracted and squabbling with each other.

 

[grumpy356]

Just give me a party that wants actual fiscal responsibility, doesn't war mongers across the globe to feed the MIC, and actually fights for individual liberties.

Yeah, I sure wish the Libertarians would get their shit together but I don't see it ever happening.

So you recognize that people join the party best slotted to get them power right?

A guy in NYC that wants to be in politics joins the Dems regardless of their true beliefs.
A guy in a Texas town will run as a Republican because it’s how to get elected.

You see that right?


Yeah NOBODY joins the Libertarians for power because they are powerless.
BUT…. I f they ever had any chance at power at all, within 2 elections cycles, they would be exactly the same as the other parties.

 

[east_beast]

So you recognize that people join the party best slotted to get them power right?

A guy in NYC that wants to be in politics joins the Dems regardless of their true beliefs.
A guy in a Texas town will run as a Republican because it’s how to get elected.

You see that right?


Yeah NOBODY joins the Libertarians for power because they are powerless.
BUT…. I f they ever had any chance at power at all, within 2 elections cycles, they would be exactly the same as the other parties.

Yeah, politicians are grifters. I don't think they really care about actual power though. They're in it to enrich themselves through connections and inside info and are willing to be puppets for their masters for that benefit and for the illusion of power and prestige bestowed on them by partisan cultists who actually thinks that the politicians are the ones running shit.

 

[FJC11]

Never going to happen, the government wouldn't allow it. You get voting for the lesser of two evils and you will like it.....

In the end they're fighting over who controls the purse strings, you wont vote for us? then we will just import people that will.

 

[Ebs]

It's going to need to get way worse before it goes libertarian (little 'L', values not party). See: Argentina.

 

[Juztyn00]

How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?

Trump has pushed common sense (conservative) better than any other modern presidential candidate. Most, Like me, were once democrats. It's my opinion that ex democrats make the best republicans because they left that plantation for a reason. Who are the conservatives that you think are being left behind? Mitt? Liz? McConnel? I'm for moving the ball in the right direction down the field, not standing in the endzone waiting for everyone to come to me.

 

[dntsdad]

So you recognize that people join the party best slotted to get them power right?

A guy in NYC that wants to be in politics joins the Dems regardless of their true beliefs.
A guy in a Texas town will run as a Republican because it’s how to get elected.

You see that right?


Yeah NOBODY joins the Libertarians for power because they are powerless.
BUT…. I f they ever had any chance at power at all, within 2 elections cycles, they would be exactly the same as the other parties.

Because of what ideals, positions, stances, or actual people?

What is it that us dumb, uninformed people don't know about the libertarian party that has been a secret all the years that I need to know???????

I am on the edge of my seat!!

 

[grumpy356]

Because of what ideals, positions, stances, or actual people?

What is it that us dumb, uninformed people don't know about the libertarian party that has been a secret all the years that I need to know???????

I am on the edge of my seat!!

What did you read into what i said???

It wasn’t really complementary.

A prediction that in 2 cycles they will be as corrupt as everyone else, and if they aren’t already, it’s because they are so powerless at this time, there’s no payoff .

 

[dntsdad]

Aplogizies

I took as the same, tired implication that if people only knew what libertarians stood for, more people would be one.

 

[DVanVorous]

Trump is the true libertarian that's why so many politicians on both sides hate him.
I get it, he isn't perfect and I agree with that. Now name anyone running that can do a better job.

Meh...Trump is no more a libertarian than I am, he's out for the payoff and notoriety plain and simple. If it doesn't yield a higher "rating" or put $ in his pocket he can be for or against it depending on what his minions/ financial backers say.

As example his turn about regarding support for EV and things battery powered when Elon Musk offered up a PAC. 180 degree turnaround on his position on EV and things of that nature.

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

Meh...Trump is no more a libertarian than I am, he's out for the payoff and notoriety plain and simple. If it doesn't yield a higher "rating" or put $ in his pocket he can be for or against it depending on what his minions/ financial backers say.

As example his turn about regarding support for EV and things battery powered when Elon Musk offered up a PAC. 180 degree turnaround on his position on EV and things of that nature.

"Trump’s recent change in tone reflects a softening in rhetoric about EVs on the campaign trail, but is much in line with his positive comments about the vehicles during his presidency and his 2020 reelection bid. Republicans and EV industry officials say they would still expect Trump to gut Biden’s efforts to get more electric vehicles on U.S. roads, and to repeal tax incentives that the GOP nominee alleges benefit China."

Sellout!

Trump may be the only elected official in history to earn less after being elected than before.

 

[FJC11]

Meh...Trump is no more a libertarian than I am, he's out for the payoff and notoriety plain and simple. If it doesn't yield a higher "rating" or put $ in his pocket he can be for or against it depending on what his minions/ financial backers say.

As example his turn about regarding support for EV and things battery powered when Elon Musk offered up a PAC. 180 degree turnaround on his position on EV and things of that nature.

You are letting your TDS make you look dumber than usual, a lot of you anti Trump guys seem to think you know it all, it's just sad.

ETA, you seem to be projecting your thoughts like every other anti-Trump knob, just vote for cackula and call it a day already.

 

[SomeGuyFromOlympia]

I dont care if it is a R or a D, I care about the person for a specific job and what that job will affect in the big picture (most importantly me and my family)
In this situation, Trump is the hammer for the nail that needs hit

 

[BDK]

Trump isn't my favorite person, I don't want to hang out with him or be his golfing buddy. I don't know, he actually might be a decent person to sit down and have a conversation with.

The effect he has on the ruling class of politicians, the total TDS, the fact that he's the most investigated man in history and they had to make up shit to charge him with, that his balls are so big he takes a bullet to the ear and the next day is flying to the GOP convention, and that he has proven he is better at presidenting than any president in recent history, makes him the best choice.

All the other side has is a horrible performance running the country, and lies, lots of lies. I don't like being blatantly lied to, I'm not a fool and don't appreciate being treated like one by those currently in office. I find it insulting and intolerable.

And, those assholes have cost me a lot of money. I made a good chunk during the Trump years. What should really matter to voters is what they have done for you vs to you.

 

[WaterH]

The above has been true my entire adult life.

This chart has a problem. The republicans don’t deny climate change. Anybody with half a brain knows that it has been happening for millions of years. If you are talking about man made climate change, indeed, that has never been proven. In fact, every prediction has been proven wrong.

The last thing I want to see happen is they run a solid candidate in 2028 that has no chance of winning but siphons off enough GOP votes to let the Dems back in. It's going to take more than 4 years of Trump to undo the last 4 years of Biden.

You are making a big assumption that the Dems won’t cheat enough to beat Trump. I hope you are right, but I havnt really seen that much change in the cheating states.

The deep state is a creation of both parties. The people in Congress don't want to legislate they want to be elected lords and ladies. They spent the last 80 years removing those duties and putting them into the bureaucracy so they could be titled but not busy unless it's something really big. They use whatever media keeps you excited so you vote the right way and don't turn over too many of them but that's what it is.

I think the deep state created itself. It was right leaning for years, but not drastically. Obama took control of it and handed it to the Dems. Trump had a chance to take that control back, but he didn’t realize what had happened till too late. I’m afraid we all may be doomed.

Meh...Trump is no more a libertarian than I am, he's out for the payoff and notoriety plain and simple. If it doesn't yield a higher "rating" or put $ in his pocket he can be for or against it depending on what his minions/ financial backers say.

As example his turn about regarding support for EV and things battery powered when Elon Musk offered up a PAC. 180 degree turnaround on his position on EV and things of that nature.

I never heard Trump say he was supporting EVs. He may have toned down his jokes about them, but he certainly is not looking to incentivize them. I agree with that. EVs are fine IF they can compete in the free market. I truly believe they will take over the market, but that’s a long way down the road.

Trump is a far cry from perfect, but he’s the only hope we have. I sincerely believe he’s the only hope the world has. Because if and when the USA falls, there won’t be a place to go. (Maybe Argentina, but I doubt it) Won’t that be funny when Argentina builds a wall to keep North Americans from going there?

 

[muleskinner]

How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?

Where does everyone get that Trump was a lifelong Democrat? He was a Democrat for 8 years.

"Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987; since that time, he has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, he changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, he changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, he again returned to the Republican Party"

Political positions of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bonanza]

You can even see the fire of a foreign war glinting in her eyes. sigh All these wars popping off and we're just going to sit and watch like a team that didn't make the playoffs.

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

If my notes are correct the guy that is either lying or saying stupid shit all the time also did the best job at keeping our soldiers out of harms way and in getting bad actors around the globe to tone it down. But fuck that ego! I even heard him say for Ukraine and Russia he just wanted people to quit dying. What a jerk.