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61scout80

61scout80

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How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?
 
I’m disgusted by everything and every politician.

The government I want to see will never come to be peacefully, because a couple decent congressmen and senators can’t change anything.

This country is on the fastest part of the spiral down the drain.
 
61scout80 said:
How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?
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I see the R's as just as bad as the D's now in that neither gives a flying fuck about the constitution or the people. They both want to fuck you out of your rights and control you, just via different methods. FUCK both of them. :flipoff:
 
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The above has been true my entire adult life.
 
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The above has been true entire adult life.
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I don’t know why, but this just makes me even more disgusted.

I’m a contractor to the fed…the amount of wasted tax dollars and other abhorrent crap just makes me sick. It baffles me when I meet people who think our way of governing is at all sustainable. I question if they have more than two brain cells to rub together.

EDIT: Like this…Hearing Wrap Up: DOD Says Security Clearance Process Updates are ‘Unacceptably Late' - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

But the number I’ve been hearing wasted was $1.6 billion…:mad3:
 
I don't give a fuck what you used to be. I care about what you are.

If RFK is going to be all in on taking down the censorship apparatus in the US gov, I am all for him. If Tulsi has moved her positions as her life experience has changed, then fine.

Both were fucked over by their people and their party. Those are sometimes your best additions to your team.

There is no political party for my beliefs. Republicans have sold out and are generally pussies who are also ineffective. Libertarians are a fucking joke with no real accomplishments. Open borders in a non starter for anyone with a brain and I don't believe in unfettered drug use and access. Take away "everyone gets to use drugs" and the Libertarian movement goes to about 4 dozen.

Democrats are fucking clowns and marching to fascism.

Somebody like Trump taking over a party was bound to happen. When it happens to the Dems, it'll be USA-over.

Neither party is anything like what they were when Clinton was being elected. Clinton would be a RINO in today's world almost. 1992 Clinton and 2012 Romney are not that different policy wise. Newt would be a far-right extremist Nazi.

I just vote for who I support the most. Today, that is Trump. Can't see ever voting for a democrat
 
61scout80 said:
How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?
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Trump was not a lifelong Democrat, he's been a Republican longer than anything else but he's hopped around from party to party over the years. The only time he was ever registered Democrat was during the Bush years and Dems were a hell of a lot more moderate back then. Nevermind he's got a pretty proven record in office now. Certainly not perfect, but the bar is low enough he's been leaps and bounds better than any President in the last 100 years. RFK Jr and Tulsi throwing their support behind him in the election doesn't really have broader implications for the party, this election is just that fucked up but it's not like RFK Jr is suddenly the face of the party.

The GOP in general has been moving away from the far right evangelical pandering back towards it's more libertarian roots. Still has a long way to go, but the RINOs are slowly dying off and there's plenty of younger people within the party that look promising.

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That guy the libertarians are running is a real treat.
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The Mises caucus has essentially taken back over the party and thrown their support behind Trump unofficially this year because they felt another 4 years of Biden was such a threat. There's been a huge shake up in that party since all the bullshit in 2016 and 2020 but their candidate this year is not meant to be a serious candidate. He was intentionally picked to force libertarians to vote for Trump.

In general I don't support the Libertarian Party despite leaning heavily towards libertarian ideals. I'd much rather see them join the GOP and steer that party back towards championing individual liberty and fiscal conservatism. Especially now that they've kicked out the fake leadership and taken back over the party. The last thing I want to see happen is they run a solid candidate in 2028 that has no chance of winning but siphons off enough GOP votes to let the Dems back in. It's going to take more than 4 years of Trump to undo the last 4 years of Biden.
 
I switched from republican to "chose not to state" when G W Bush was president. The Patriot Act was what pushed me out of any party and I was a dedicated, devoted state trooper then. It gave the government way too much power over its citizens personal lives. It was right in everyone's faces, and they gleefully accepted government overreach over freedom.
 
61scout80 said:
How do you feel about your party being taken over by Democrats? Trump, life lifelong Democrat, running the party and for president. Then he adds RFK Jr., another lifelong Democrat. Now Tulsi. The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for. I've felt like a lot of conservatives have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the last decade.

Where are the Republicans going? Are they just blindly following what the party spews like the Democrats? Are they now excited for more leftist positions?
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I'm guessing you're trolling, but it's pretty fucking weak of you to fail to mention that those Dems (DJT, Tulsi, Elon, RFK, etc.) left the Dem party because the Dem party went so far beyond full retard Socialist globalist Communist glue-huffin' identity politics mongoloid nightmare dogfucker insane.

"with all due respect" :laughing: let me recycle your exact words in the inverse application:

(If you're a Dem) How do you feel about your party being taken over by Socialists?

(in the Democrat party) The shift left has been abrupt and loudly cheered for (by the purple-haired pronoun crowd & Antifa). Those non-retard Dems have been left behind by the party for quite a few years now, but it's gotten far more extreme and undeniable in the past decade.

Where are the sane Democrats going? Oh, that's right - they're voting for Trump this fall :laughing: Are they now excited for more centrist positions?
 
Peoples beliefs shift over time and the entities that represent them shift. Peoples who's beliefs and associations supposedly never shift shouldn't be trusted because they have alterior motives.

Shoot look at foreign wars. 20 years ago the Republican party wanted every war it could get. Now after 20 years of sending their kids to war the base has a very different view on that (DC is still pretty dedicated though) and vice versa for the Democrats.
 
Trump is the only redeeming factor in the Republican party as far as I'm concerned, and he is Republican because he had to be. It's all the swamp and they all hate Trump because he stands in the way of business as usual.
 
The Democrat party pretty much started as the Deep State's puppet party. After cheating as hard as They could and still not controlling the country as much as They'd like, They started infiltrating the Republican party as well. They had nearly taken control over both parties when Trump and other MAGA candidates came along.

Trump is no savior, but he (and other MAGA candidates) are the only non-Deep State puppets on the ballot(s) that actually stand a chance of winning against the Deep State's propaganda machine (aka Mainstream Media) and election rigging.

But who are we kidding, the Deep State is so confident in Their ability to steal elections that They're running a literal whore with zero accomplishments and zero personality.
 
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Trump was not a lifelong Democrat, he's been a Republican longer than anything else but he's hopped around from party to party over the years. The only time he was ever registered Democrat was during the Bush years and Dems were a hell of a lot more moderate back then. Nevermind he's got a pretty proven record in office now. Certainly not perfect, but the bar is low enough he's been leaps and bounds better than any President in the last 100 years. RFK Jr and Tulsi throwing their support behind him in the election doesn't really have broader implications for the party, this election is just that fucked up but it's not like RFK Jr is suddenly the face of the party.

The GOP in general has been moving away from the far right evangelical pandering back towards it's more libertarian roots. Still has a long way to go, but the RINOs are slowly dying off and there's plenty of younger people within the party that look promising.


The Mises caucus has essentially taken back over the party and thrown their support behind Trump unofficially this year because they felt another 4 years of Biden was such a threat. There's been a huge shake up in that party since all the bullshit in 2016 and 2020 but their candidate this year is not meant to be a serious candidate. He was intentionally picked to force libertarians to vote for Trump.

In general I don't support the Libertarian Party despite leaning heavily towards libertarian ideals. I'd much rather see them join the GOP and steer that party back towards championing individual liberty and fiscal conservatism. Especially now that they've kicked out the fake leadership and taken back over the party. The last thing I want to see happen is they run a solid candidate in 2028 that has no chance of winning but siphons off enough GOP votes to let the Dems back in. It's going to take more than 4 years of Trump to undo the last 4 years of Biden.
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You lost me at “Libertarian roots”:lmao:

They are whigs.

And RINO.

Dude… the people you slap the label on… yeah… those ARE what a Republican is.

Jeb Bush…. Republicans
John Cornyn … Republican
John McCain …. Republican
Rand Paul… RINO
 
MChat said:
The Democrat party pretty much started as the Deep State's puppet party. After cheating as hard as They could and still not controlling the country as much as They'd like, They started infiltrating the Republican party as well. They had nearly taken control over both parties when Trump and other MAGA candidates came along.

Trump is no savior, but he (and other MAGA candidates) are the only non-Deep State puppets on the ballot(s) that actually stand a chance of winning against the Deep State's propaganda machine (aka Mainstream Media) and election rigging.

But who are we kidding, the Deep State is so confident in Their ability to steal elections that They're running a literal whore with zero accomplishments and zero personality.
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The deep state is a creation of both parties. The people in Congress don't want to legislate they want to be elected lords and ladies. They spent the last 80 years removing those duties and putting them into the bureaucracy so they could be titled but not busy unless it's something really big. They use whatever media keeps you excited so you vote the right way and don't turn over too many of them but that's what it is.
 
grumpy356 said:
You lost me at “Libertarian roots”:lmao:

They are whigs.

And RINO.

Dude… the people you slap the label on… yeah… those ARE what a Republican is.

Jeb Bush…. Republicans
John Cornyn … Republican
John McCain …. Republican
Rand Paul… RINO
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I lost you because you're dumb. I mean libertarian as opposed to authoritarian, which is why I used the small l.

Also just no. :shaking:
 
This doesn't seem too hard. Vote for who your beliefs best align with. No candidate is ever going to be an exact match with your beliefs.

Personally, I don't believe in throwing away a vote as a protest. To me that's an easy way to end up with your last choice.


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If you've left a liberal state for a conservative one, you better be voting as they do in your new state, or you're part of the problem.
 
There are a few good leaders in the Republican Party, Rand Paul for one. There are absolutely zero decent Democrat leaders. Both parties are trash and everyone knows it. Republicans are getting there on 1st and second amendments, now we have to work on the 4th. Really they can all go get fugged for the most part.
 
Sometimes I think that if we just didn't let lawyers run for political office, things would be much better off. Sure there's a couple positions that require a lawyer but that should be it. Just seems to me that pooling people from a group that tells lies for a living, results in lying bags of shit in office.
 
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