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It sounds like you believe the majority of voters then, must be smart people who understand how the money system works, otherwise the general population would be voting to curb government spending? Or am I over-simplifying things?

the majority of voters should be voting to curb government spending. 4% is too damn high for annualized inflation to be acceptable. the fed saying "years" before rates go up is a serious problem.

the majority of voters are low responsibility virtue signaling folks who genuinely don't care about anything. they will accept any level of intervention or destruction and are simply going to figure out how to deal with whatever happens. The factioned minorities want control of the destruction, or want to minimize the impacts of it by limiting the reach of control from the others.
 
. . . It sounds like you believe the average american is now a government teat sucker and that hardworking Americans are in the minority? Did I get that right?
Correct. Although I probably overstated the imbalance by using the word "dominated". At this point the scale has tipped in favor of the tit suckers. But they keep breeding on the taxpayers dime.
 
Correct. Although I probably overstated the imbalance by using the word "dominated". At this point the scale has tipped in favor of the tit suckers. But they keep breeding on the taxpayers dime.

If your assessment is correct, that's a terrifying thought since we would have a hard time untangling ourselves from a mess like that. Pull the rug out cold turkey and you would have mass poverty and probably riots.
 
It sounds like you believe the majority of voters then, must be smart people who understand how the money system works, otherwise the general population would be voting to curb government spending? Or am I over-simplifying things?

The average citizen is concerned about deficit spending, but they are on board because it makes the price of their one asset go up: their home's value.
 
the majority of voters should be voting to curb government spending. 4% is too damn high for annualized inflation to be acceptable. the fed saying "years" before rates go up is a serious problem.

the majority of voters are low responsibility virtue signaling folks who genuinely don't care about anything. they will accept any level of intervention or destruction and are simply going to figure out how to deal with whatever happens. The factioned minorities want control of the destruction, or want to minimize the impacts of it by limiting the reach of control from the others.

Correct. Although I probably overstated the imbalance by using the word "dominated". At this point the scale has tipped in favor of the tit suckers. But they keep breeding on the taxpayers dime.

'tit suckers' make the value of your house go up, via White Flight or as one Professor called it, Negro Relocation.

About half this board lives in some faggy clap-board mcmansion suburb, many because they want their kids to go to a good school. And you don't want your kids going to school with blacks, because they won't be able to study with all the monkey shines going on, and they'll get beat up or raped then charged with being a White Supremacist.

You both are tied into 4% inflation and your luxury passtimes like blowing money on a vehicle which becomes less and less practically useful the more capable you make it depends on 4% inflation rates.

I, however, am quite content being a minimalist and would happily live in an Urn like Diogenes if I had access to quality food and sanitation. And if the weather was Mediterranean like Greece because let's face it, being cold all the time sucks balls. I love being out in the cold then coming inside all nice and toasty with rosy cheeks.

You guys are straight out active participants in the 4% Brrrrr economy while I am actively trying to disengage from society, including Consumerism.
 
Don't care or don't know enough to care?

don't care. it is impossible to make the case that lack of access to information is a cause.

I mean, holy fuck, you still think that trump hasn't condemed racism at every opportunity, despite claiming that to be something you care about.


edit: me fail for bringing up another thread into this thread. I think that they don't care because they see ways that they can exist or operate or claim that it doesn't outright effect them. Some folks do care a little bit and there is a pretty big split among those people that say "we need more spending to support us against it" vs " we need less spending to support us against it" which further muddies the waters for the mid-level accounting cubicle worker who just wants to grab a beer and watch football on the weekends at the bar, or whatever they want to do.
 
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don't care. it is impossible to make the case that lack of access to information is a cause.

I mean, holy fuck, you still think that trump hasn't condemed racism at every opportunity, despite claiming that to be something you care about.

Woah woah woah! Flag on the play. Cross thread grudge penalty. 5 yards.

In my case I think it could be argued that depending on which news narrative you follow, one could be lead in either direction(not going to get into it more than that in this discussion). I don't see as much panicked news coverage on inflation.
 
If your assessment is correct, that's a terrifying thought since we would have a hard time untangling ourselves from a mess like that. Pull the rug out cold turkey and you would have mass poverty and probably riots.
Correct.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” - Alexander Fraser Tytler
 
'tit suckers' make the value of your house go up, via White Flight or as one Professor called it, Negro Relocation.

About half this board lives in some faggy clap-board mcmansion suburb, many because they want their kids to go to a good school. And you don't want your kids going to school with blacks, because they won't be able to study with all the monkey shines going on, and they'll get beat up or raped then charged with being a White Supremacist.

You both are tied into 4% inflation and your luxury passtimes like blowing money on a vehicle which becomes less and less practically useful the more capable you make it depends on 4% inflation rates.

I, however, am quite content being a minimalist and would happily live in an Urn like Diogenes if I had access to quality food and sanitation. And if the weather was Mediterranean like Greece because let's face it, being cold all the time sucks balls. I love being out in the cold then coming inside all nice and toasty with rosy cheeks.

You guys are straight out active participants in the 4% Brrrrr economy while I am actively trying to disengage from society, including Consumerism.

I got lumped up in your quote, not sure if the bulk of the "yous" are directed at me though :rasta:

i'd gladly trade off annualized increases in home values for reigning in inflation and some significant market corrections due to high rates. In the mean time? yes, i'm absolutely not outright debt averse while using "the system" to my benefit. I do live in a suburb and explicitly for the gain in value of the property as a temporary resident. eyes wide open participation :flipoff2:

well, except my suburb and school district while "good" is also significantly more diverse than the whole of the state, so :shrug: to that.

if you would be happy living in a med. climate, why aren't you there now? like, right now? at any given moment you can walk away fully from consumerism and live as you'd please, from the sounds of it. I am actively participating in the system and working towards and end state of as near to actual self-reliance as i can get. that is the point i can check out and say "fine, fuckit, send inflation through the roof, crash the economy and blow it all off for your communist experiments, yet again"
 
I don't see as much panicked news coverage on inflation.


not for the last 4 years, previously it was allowed to get space. Social Security has been failing to keep up for decades and it used to be in the news, despite never being resolved. 2008 (election year? weird) it made the news in the form of "stagflation" and "deflation" and other such agents of chaos that would end us all. Inflation drives the push for higher min wage, higher taxes, higher tax basis', all that jazz increases and the media makes out like a bandit on it. the ownership gains massive advantage while the barriers to market entry get just a bit higher.

it's hilarious, fiat currency and inflation are commonly used tools (since forever) of the socialists to get "the workers" on their side :lmao:
 
Correct.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” - Alexander Fraser Tytler

That's a very dark outlook. Where do you think we are in the process? Selfishness, apathy, or dependence?
 
. . . 'tit suckers' make the value of your house go up, . . .
This is dumb logic even by your incredibly low standards. Yes, I will grant that deficit spending to keep food in the mouths of the tit suckers contributes to inflation but the notion that deficit spending is the primary cause of inflation or that without the tit suckers the value of my house would not increase is absurd.

Fundamentally, inflation is driven by supply and demand.

And what makes you think I give two fawks about increasing the value of my house? I don't. Increasing value only means I pay more property taxes. My goal is to go out broke.
 
That's a very dark outlook. Where do you think we are in the process? Selfishness, apathy, or dependence?

gen X proudly claims "apathy" as it's single uniting trait, boomers before them are solidly recognized as "the selfish" and the claim for the trophy gen of millenials is that they are full of dependence issues, clinging to the home and now acting the .gov out in that sense.

i'd say apathy to dependence is the current transitional stage, but i'm an optimist.
 
That's a very dark outlook. Where do you think we are in the process? Selfishness, apathy, or dependence?
It not a dark outlook. Its the lesson of history. And we are clearly transitioning from dependence back into bondage.
 
Correct.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” - Alexander Fraser Tytler

All 'generational theory' constructs are bullshit.

Tell me the period of the US which was 'liberty' or 'great courage', and I will help you out with some contradicting historical facts.

I got lumped up in your quote, not sure if the bulk of the "yous" are directed at me though :rasta:

i'd gladly trade off annualized increases in home values for reigning in inflation and some significant market corrections due to high rates. In the mean time? yes, i'm absolutely not outright debt averse while using "the system" to my benefit. I do live in a suburb and explicitly for the gain in value of the property as a temporary resident. eyes wide open participation :flipoff2:

well, except my suburb and school district while "good" is also significantly more diverse than the whole of the state, so :shrug: to that.

if you would be happy living in a med. climate, why aren't you there now? like, right now? at any given moment you can walk away fully from consumerism and live as you'd please, from the sounds of it. I am actively participating in the system and working towards and end state of as near to actual self-reliance as i can get. that is the point i can check out and say "fine, fuckit, send inflation through the roof, crash the economy and blow it all off for your communist experiments, yet again"

Because most people are self-interested and self-interest will always trump altruism. Altruism is actually a form of self-interest.

Concern about the welfare of the State is a form of Altruism. Like many here, you believe that objective morality like 'liberty' is meaningful. The most committed to those ideas get all bent out of shape about the Deficit and Critical Race Theory. Like me.

Mass immigration is an existential threat to the US but it's self-interest because it keeps the cost of labor and therefore consumer goods down, and increases the market value of worthless plots of California scrub.

It would take 80 acres of prime Midwest farmland to keep a family of 4 in even modest comfortable circumstances by the labor of your own brow. Everything else including being self-employed is a participation in the Speculation Economy of rising land value, increasing Consumer Demand, and Deficit Spending.

edit: It's worse than can be easily imagined. There is not a single Blacksmith in the United States making implements for people to support themselves. ALL of it is speculation economy, and all of it is a luxury. Blacksmithing is a luxury hobby for people who have a lot of excess time and money to blow.

If you can find me a Blacksmith who makes money solely by forging plowshares or other farm implements, I will rescind me statement.
 
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And what makes you think I give two fawks about increasing the value of my house? I don't. Increasing value only means I pay more property taxes. My goal is to go out broke.

Agree on this part. I don't care which way the value on my house goes since I'm not trying to flip it or borrow against its value. I've got a roof over my family's head and enough shitters that I can take a long ass time pooping without getting bothered by the rest of my family so no change necessary here. If a poll was taken, I think it would be found that there are a lot more Americans using their home as retirement tool (somewhere to live rent-free when they're 60) vs some sort of appreciating asset that will make them money later.
 
I think you may have lost the plot a bit there. I have several of these "Blacksmiths" a short distance from my house:
http://www.valleyfabrication.com/

The first thing that came up was this formidable-looking contraption harvesting some type of cash-crop which doesn't look like it's to sustain a family with a few trades at the market, it looks like a commercial farm which runs on government subsidies for the bad years and is leveraged 300%.

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I mean it's cool but I don't think Pa Ingalls could make hide nor hair of that thing.
 
I, however, am quite content being a minimalist and would happily live in an Urn like Diogenes if I had access to quality food and sanitation.

I hear that a lot from lib types, hippy types, earth worship types. "I am a minimalist, I own a bike instead of a car, live in a small old house. More people need to be like me." OK. Great. You use less, but you still need some stuff. Where does that come from? All the other minimalists? Where does that quality food come from? The backyard gardens of the other minimalists? Nope. You can pat yourself on the back until you sprain your elbow, but all your minimalist lifestyle is doing is pushing the network of needs and supply onto others. Instead of ensuring you can produce the food you need, you rely on others. Since you only have a small fridge cause it sucks power, you rely on the local supermarket to remain stocked. Because you don't have a car, anything you need must be trucked even closer to your house.

Now if you are a "minimalist" on several acres, grow/store/can your food for a year, can repair almost any broken tool/system/convenience with almost nothing, and otherwise need very little interaction with the outside world, well then we can have a different kind of conversation. Modern minimalism does almost nothing toward what the "minimalist" thinks they are solving.
 
The first thing that came up was this formidable-looking contraption harvesting some type of cash-crop which doesn't look like it's to sustain a family with a few trades at the market, it looks like a commercial farm which runs on government subsidies for the bad years and is leveraged 300%.

I mean it's cool but I don't think Pa Ingalls could make hide nor hair of that thing.

I think you completely missed the point of the intention of the link.
 
All 'generational theory' constructs are bullshit.

Tell me the period of the US which was 'liberty' or 'great courage', and I will help you out with some contradicting historical facts.

the US has always been on the general bent towards liberty, but all through history it is regularly kicked sideways. that is the "eternal struggle" of individualism that is, generally, found by experiments. some of which, like socialism, are much more difficult to get rid of than others, like slavery.


Because most people are self-interested and self-interest will always trump altruism. Altruism is actually a form of self-interest.

Concern about the welfare of the State is a form of Altruism. Like many here, you believe that objective morality like 'liberty' is meaningful. The most committed to those ideas get all bent out of shape about the Deficit and Critical Race Theory. Like me.

Mass immigration is an existential threat to the US but it's self-interest because it keeps the cost of labor and therefore consumer goods down, and increases the market value of worthless plots of California scrub.

It would take 80 acres of prime Midwest farmland to keep a family of 4 in even modest comfortable circumstances by the labor of your own brow. Everything else including being self-employed is a participation in the Speculation Economy of rising land value, increasing Consumer Demand, and Deficit Spending.

interesting to say that immigration is what is keeping US domestic labor and goods down :laughing: in a sense that may be true and it is likely related to why the .gov spends so much effort in trying to keep the costs high, but one of the reasons why the US has so much labor migration is because the cost of labor is relatively high. there are much more productive areas than even the midwest, not sure that qualifies as a mediterrainian-iranian climate, but the choice of mobility is excellent and a family of 4 could do just fine. to quote any given N. Korean "my whole village was so poor that i had no idea that i was poor growing up". I'm not saying you should accept starvation as a simple state of nature for able and willing people, but there are plenty of places where a low standard of living readily translates into an easy and affordable life. a great many english speaking as well.

edit: It's worse than can be easily imagined. There is not a single Blacksmith in the United States making implements for people to support themselves. ALL of it is speculation economy, and all of it is a luxury. Blacksmithing is a luxury hobby for people who have a lot of excess time and money to blow.

If you can find me a Blacksmith who makes money solely by forging plowshares or other farm implements, I will rescind me statement.

like you say, what was once a required livleyhood stable has become a high fashion endeavor. a motorized tractor rather than a team of oxen is now cheaper to own and operate in addition to be more productive. progress and the high cost of labor. it is still something doable, but it would need to be 100% done on your own, you can't make it worthwhile to trade/pay somebody elses labor.

the recognition that all of interaction that defines "economy" is speculative is one of the founding principles of capitalism, which has well demonstrated it's success and endurance. Fiat currency for easily manipulated inflation is just saying "hey, we will go ahead and speculate on your effort" and it is a failure of "the market" which is strangely driven 100% by governmetn interference :rasta:
 
the US has always been on the general bent towards liberty, but all through history it is regularly kicked sideways. that is the "eternal struggle" of individualism that is, generally, found by experiments. some of which, like socialism, are much more difficult to get rid of than others, like slavery.




interesting to say that immigration is what is keeping US domestic labor and goods down :laughing: in a sense that may be true and it is likely related to why the .gov spends so much effort in trying to keep the costs high, but one of the reasons why the US has so much labor migration is because the cost of labor is relatively high. there are much more productive areas than even the midwest, not sure that qualifies as a mediterrainian-iranian climate, but the choice of mobility is excellent and a family of 4 could do just fine. to quote any given N. Korean "my whole village was so poor that i had no idea that i was poor growing up". I'm not saying you should accept starvation as a simple state of nature for able and willing people, but there are plenty of places where a low standard of living readily translates into an easy and affordable life. a great many english speaking as well.



like you say, what was once a required livleyhood stable has become a high fashion endeavor. a motorized tractor rather than a team of oxen is now cheaper to own and operate in addition to be more productive. progress and the high cost of labor. it is still something doable, but it would need to be 100% done on your own, you can't make it worthwhile to trade/pay somebody elses labor.

the recognition that all of interaction that defines "economy" is speculative is one of the founding principles of capitalism, which has well demonstrated it's success and endurance. Fiat currency for easily manipulated inflation is just saying "hey, we will go ahead and speculate on your effort" and it is a failure of "the market" which is strangely driven 100% by governmetn interference :rasta:

Well you're getting there. Lolbertarianism is bullshit because it's just a different peg of government and social organization, not a lack of it. It's like people who think there are 'fair fights'. You usually get that from guys who train in gyms and shit. There is no such thing as a fair fight. It does not exist. The first time you take a swing at someone, you can kill them. I can kill The Rock with one punch which interrupts his cardiac rhythm and he drops dead. It's totally possible and happens all the time. But then someone who spent a lot of effort doing MMA then makes all kinds of bullshit statements about a 'fair fight', about blacks jumping in and gang-stomping someone, or someone picking on someone else, WHEN THEY ARE LITERALLY TRAINING 20 HOURS A WEEK SO THAT NONE OF THEIR FIGHTS ARE FAIR. :lmao:

Lolbertarians are angry that someone is taking their money and giving it to a welfare case. Like that faggot Molyneux.

I could kick the shit out of Stefan Molymeme. If I can, that means Tyrone from the Block can go over there and whip 3 Molymemes. Molymeme is paying the government of Canada to keep him safe, because no matter how many AR-17s Molymeme buys, there will always be another Ethiopian running out into the street to pick up the AK-47, and eventually, Molymeme is going to fall asleep or run out of ammo.

So SandiegoCJ is going to have to pay someone a portion of his money to A) Patrol the streets because SanDiegoCJ sleeps once every 24 hours and has a finite amount of ammo and B) give welfare to Tyrone because he will be less likely to wander out into the suburbs for the easy pickin's on Karen and Kevin.

Yes, the US has high labor costs and depends on immigration to keep labor costs down, and drive up real-estate values. White people stopped having kids, thus inverting the Social Security pyramid in all Western Nations. Therefore, Germany imported Turks and then an increasing number of rapey Dark Skins from the near east. America can't get her blacks to work, so she imported Browns from south of the border who are quite happy living 21 to a house and sleeping on bug-infested mattresses on the floor working for Jim the dry-waller.

Jim the DryWaller is a MAGA Trumptard, but he's more than happy to pay Carlos $7 under the table because Beau the IBB faggot wants a McMansion, which will increase in value because immigrant labor clapped the piece of shit up. Beau the IBB faggot pays his insurance, because even the Dutch build their houses out of masonry, but Beau's house will get wiped off the map by a stiff breeze, or will catch on fire if you even show it a picture of a flame.

Then, Carlos will move to NOLA after it gets swamped and all the blacks move out, and re-build it using Jim the Drywaller's team of illegals to clap up some gyp board. Meanwhile Nancy the government worker is swamped with welfare requests in Baton Rogue, and has to hire 4 more black ladies to do all the paperwork, who will then need a house from Jim the Drywaller, after he gets done clapping up gyp board paid for by Beau's insurance premiums out in Calfornia.

That is literally the economy. If SanDiegoCJ had to stop every five miles to dig out some quarters and throw in a Lolbertarian toll booth, we'd never hear the end of it from him.
 
The first thing that came up was this formidable-looking contraption harvesting some type of cash-crop which doesn't look like it's to sustain a family with a few trades at the market, it looks like a commercial farm which runs on government subsidies for the bad years and is leveraged 300%.

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I mean it's cool but I don't think Pa Ingalls could make hide nor hair of that thing.

My point was more that there are plenty of thriving business that make a living off of designing and building farming implements. Many are local and family owned. I could walk down to valley fab today and pay them to build me whatever simple farming implement I wanted as long as I provided the specs and money. If I wasn't so good with specs, they have guys that would help me with the design for a little bit more money.
 
My point was more that there are plenty of thriving business that make a living off of designing and building farming implements. Many are local and family owned. I could walk down to valley fab today and pay them to build me whatever simple farming implement I wanted as long as I provided the specs and money. If I wasn't so good with specs, they have guys that would help me with the design for a little bit more money.

Right, but they make money selling to profit farms which are leveraged 300% and take farm subsidies to make it through drought years.

Farms are the most at the center of the Leverage Economy.

There are no blacksmiths making implements for people to live by the sweat of their brow. Farming is big business, a High Tech one.

 
Right, but they make money selling to profit farms which are leveraged 300% and take farm subsidies to make it through drought years.

Farms are the most at the center of the Leverage Economy.

There are no blacksmiths making implements for people to live by the sweat of their brow. Farming is big business, a High Tech one.



Oh I know farming is big business. I live here:
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But you can still go ask those guys to build you whatever amish tool you want, hitch it up to your oxen and get to work. I think the last time I had them help me with a small project, it cost me $20
 
Oh I know farming is big business. I live here:



But you can still go ask those guys to build you whatever amish tool you want, hitch it up to your oxen and get to work. I think the last time I had them help me with a small project, it cost me $20

wth that's like a town out of the Twilight Zone or that movie The Dark of Night.

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And who owns the mansion?

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And it's a flat piece of farmland turned into a town, why are the streets all cock-eyed?
 
wth that's like a town out of the Twilight Zone or that movie The Dark of Night.

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And who owns the mansion?

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And it's a flat piece of farmland turned into a town, why are the streets all cock-eyed?

It used to be a company town for Spreckels Sugar (the big farm across the street used to process sugar beats). Larger houses were for the higher ups at the plant. The whole thing was built in the late 1890, with the exception of the last row of houses in the north-west. I'm not actually sure who owns the mansion now.
 
blah, blah, blah...........................................................

You are so full of shit about the libertarian stance as to either be laughable or incredibly stupid. IMO you're a combination of ignorant & stupid. It's the onlt way I can understand the blather you spew.
 
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