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Official Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other Alt coin crypto thread

Every transaction is a taxable event. You pay your taxes owed when you file your tax return. If you don’t know how capital gains works you should talk to a tax accountant or google it. If you’re trying to offset your gains by accumulating losses then wtf are you doing because you’re not making any money.
Careful with this statement - taxes are owed at the time they are incurred, generally, this is quarterly however some safe harbor provisions can allow you to put off payment until tax day. You must estimate and make timely payments on taxes or are at risk for underpayment penalties at the end of the year. Certainly, if you are playing here and don't understand the tax implications, talk to an accountant / tax advisor, especially if what you are doing involves larger sums of $$$. Disclaimer - NOT an accountant but have paid "my fair share" of taxes.
 
gains are reported and super accountable

losses are much less accountable

but go ahead and sell your 1 bitcoin and report it as $0 basis and pay all them taxes :rasta:

I don’t follow this. If I buy something with bit coin, how is that super accountable?
 
Every transaction is a taxable event. You pay your taxes owed when you file your tax return. If you don’t know how capital gains works you should talk to a tax accountant or google it. If you’re trying to offset your gains by accumulating losses then wtf are you doing because you’re not making any money.

If you don’t know how Bitcoin works, you should talk to an Irate member.
 
There is some confusion here because some people use crypto as a currency that can be hidden from the government and others are using it as an investment because of its growth.

If you keep it on an exchange like Coinbase and sell it, they will report to the government and you need to report profits on your taxes.

If you use it to buy something and keep it off the exchanges, you don’t have to worry about it.
 
There is some confusion here because some people use crypto as a currency that can be hidden from the government and others are using it as an investment because of its growth.

If you keep it on an exchange like Coinbase and sell it, they will report to the government and you need to report profits on your taxes.

If you use it to buy something and keep it off the exchanges, you don’t have to worry about it.
Yes, I often have to tell people that Bitcoin and crypto are not the same thing even though they grouped them together a long time ago. Bitcoin is a currency. You can spend it like cash. All these other cryptos are like the stock market. The point with them is to make money. The point with Bitcoin is it is money.

To help you understand, if you convert US dollars to Euros today and spend them next year on vacation, it doesn’t matter what the exchange rate is, you don’t owe tax. It might be hard to spend Euros in Japan, but you can spend Bitcoin anywhere. Pretty cool, yea?

Side note, if you keep your Bitcoin on an exchange, you are stupid.
 
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Yes, I often have to tell people that Bitcoin and crypto are not the same thing even though they grouped them together a long time ago. Bitcoin is a currency. You can spend it like cash. All these other cryptos are like the stock market. The point with them is to make money. The point with Bitcoin is it is money.

To help you understand, if you convert US dollars to Euros today and spend them next year on vacation, it doesn’t matter what the exchange rate is, you don’t owe tax. It might be hard to spend Euros in Japan, but you can spend Bitcoin anywhere. Pretty cool, yea?

Side note, if you keep your Bitcoin on an exchange, you are stupid.
Theoretically, but it never took off as a currency and over the years and years, I found 2 places that took bitcoin. For all intents and purposes…now…. It functions as a stock.

Much like AirB-N-B morphed into a property rental site, it wasn’t idea, but it is what it is.
 
If you don’t know how Bitcoin works, you should talk to an Irate member.
Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency is a digital asset not currency, there's no distinction between the various coins. Every time you spend Bitcoin you are incurring either a gain or loss and is a taxable event. Yes, I do understand how it works and I have been paying taxes on crypto for many years. Its a real pain if you don't use a tool that tracks your basis, gains, and losses for you. Here's some reading for you Digital Assets | Internal Revenue Service

Careful with this statement - taxes are owed at the time they are incurred, generally, this is quarterly however some safe harbor provisions can allow you to put off payment until tax day. You must estimate and make timely payments on taxes or are at risk for underpayment penalties at the end of the year. Certainly, if you are playing here and don't understand the tax implications, talk to an accountant / tax advisor, especially if what you are doing involves larger sums of $$$. Disclaimer - NOT an accountant but have paid "my fair share" of taxes.
You're right, that was a bad way to state that.
 
Theoretically, but it never took off as a currency and over the years and years, I found 2 places that took bitcoin. For all intents and purposes…now…. It functions as a stock.

Much like AirB-N-B morphed into a property rental site, it wasn’t idea, but it is what it is.
2 places? There’s probably a million things you can buy with Bitcoin. There are several countries that it is an official currency. There probably be a lot more to follow.
 
Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency is a digital asset not currency, there's no distinction between the various coins. Every time you spend Bitcoin you are incurring either a gain or loss and is a taxable event. Yes, I do understand how it works and I have been paying taxes on crypto for many years. Its a real pain if you don't use a tool that tracks your basis, gains, and losses for you. Here's some reading for you Digital Assets | Internal Revenue Service


You're right, that was a bad way to state that.
So if I go to Argentina and rent a hotel room with Bitcoin, how would that be a gain or loss?
 
Yes, I often have to tell people that Bitcoin and crypto are not the same thing even though they grouped them together a long time ago. Bitcoin is a currency. You can spend it like cash. All these other cryptos are like the stock market. The point with them is to make money. The point with Bitcoin is it is money.

To help you understand, if you convert US dollars to Euros today and spend them next year on vacation, it doesn’t matter what the exchange rate is, you don’t owe tax. It might be hard to spend Euros in Japan, but you can spend Bitcoin anywhere. Pretty cool, yea?

Side note, if you keep your Bitcoin on an exchange, you are stupid.
As long as where you spend it doesn't report your transaction to the government, you are fine.

If you pay 3 pennies USD for a property valued at 1 million dollars, the government views it as a taxable event and you just "made" fair market value of 1 million minutes 3 pennies.

Do all these get reported? No, that is why the "tax gap" is a trillion dollars a year, or whatever the very high estimate is
 
As long as where you spend it doesn't report your transaction to the government, you are fine.

If you pay 3 pennies USD for a property valued at 1 million dollars, the government views it as a taxable event and you just "made" fair market value of 1 million minutes 3 pennies.

Do all these get reported? No, that is why the "tax gap" is a trillion dollars a year, or whatever the very high estimate is
Not until you sell said property and realize the gain
 
So if I go to Argentina and rent a hotel room with Bitcoin, how would that be a gain or loss?
When you bought the bitcoin it had an equivalent value in USD, this is your basis. When you used it to rent the hotel room it (probably) had a different equivalent value in USD. The difference between this value and your basis is your gain or loss. Since you don't seem to believe me here's another article you can read Crypto Taxes: The Complete Guide (2024)
 
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Which is why it's "super serious " and totally reported all the time and I pay taxes on my yard sale and free socks and such :rasta:
 
When you bought the bitcoin it had an equivalent value in USD, this is your basis. When you used it to rent the hotel room it (probably) had a different equivalent value in USD. The difference between this value and your basis is your gain or loss. Since you don't seem to believe me here's another article you can read Crypto Taxes: The Complete Guide (2024)
If you want to tell me the IRS wants to take money from me, I already know that. I don’t need any lessons.

Let’s look at this another way. I can buy a hotel room in Argentina right now for $50 usd per night. I can also buy that room for the equivalent in Bitcoin. I transfer $50 us to Bitcoin so I can pay for the room when I get there. I have a death in the family and must cancel my trip. Things come up and I don’t go for 5 years. In the mean time the room rate is $120 per night, but it’s the same amount of Bitcoin as before. So I go and pay for the room as planed. I didn’t gain or lose anything. This is a very likly scenario. Is it my fault that the fed can’t manage the dollar?
 
If you want to tell me the IRS wants to take money from me, I already know that. I don’t need any lessons.

Let’s look at this another way. I can buy a hotel room in Argentina right now for $50 usd per night. I can also buy that room for the equivalent in Bitcoin. I transfer $50 us to Bitcoin so I can pay for the room when I get there. I have a death in the family and must cancel my trip. Things come up and I don’t go for 5 years. In the mean time the room rate is $120 per night, but it’s the same amount of Bitcoin as before. So I go and pay for the room as planed. I didn’t gain or lose anything. This is a very likly scenario. Is it my fault that the fed can’t manage the dollar?
Do whatever you want, I’m just telling you what the regulation is. Follow it or don’t follow it, that’s your problem not mine. Just don’t think that because it’s bitcoin the rules are different or that bitcoin is anonymous or untraceable to the IRS. It’s not.
 
2 places? There’s probably a million things you can buy with Bitcoin. There are several countries that it is an official currency. There probably be a lot more to follow.
How many items have you actually purchased using bitcoin in the last year?

People aren’t using it as a currency. You can find the odd exception, but in general …. Nope.

When you compare it to a fiat currency, it would likely be a rounding error . Essentially zero.

I started to do a spin-off thread with a poll on how many purchases have you made over the past 12 months with crypto, but decided I don’t care that much.
 
How many items have you actually purchased using bitcoin in the last year?

People aren’t using it as a currency. You can find the odd exception, but in general …. Nope.

When you compare it to a fiat currency, it would likely be a rounding error . Essentially zero.

I started to do a spin-off thread with a poll on how many purchases have you made over the past 12 months with crypto, but decided I don’t care that much.

Ive had at least 10 people buying tractors from me ask if I would take bitcoin. I didnt take it but there are people at least attempting to use it that way.
 
BTC sucks as a payment method. The fees are crazy. LTC is the crypto to use when actually moving funds.
 
How many items have you actually purchased using bitcoin in the last year?

People aren’t using it as a currency. You can find the odd exception, but in general …. Nope.

When you compare it to a fiat currency, it would likely be a rounding error . Essentially zero.

I started to do a spin-off thread with a poll on how many purchases have you made over the past 12 months with crypto, but decided I don’t care that much.

I’ve never bought anything with BTC. But I’ve seen lots of things on line that you could pay for with it.

BTC sucks as a payment method. The fees are crazy. LTC is the crypto to use when actually moving funds.

I’m not sure I understand. I have sent BTC to my brothers from my wallet and the fee was virtually nothing. Are you sending it from an exchange? I know the fees were higher when I sent from “exchange to my wallet” than from “wallet to wallet”. I’m not sure why. Also, if you are including the fees to buy BTC with USD, that’s not really a fair comparison.

Please give some numbers. Also, school me on LTC.
 
To be fair, I guess I haven't done any transactions for around 6 months. But yes, I am referring to moving crypto deposited to exchanges away from the exchange. When I was doing this I had no wallet to wallet option. As for LTC, at the time the fees were almost nothing where the ETH and BTC gas fees were significant. These were a lot of small transactions as well (most under $20usd) so that may factor in.
 
Interesting read,

Bitcoin hit a new all-time high as markets continue to surge
If you bought one bitcoin exactly a year ago, you would have paid less than $24,000. As of Wednesday morning, that same bitcoin would have increased in value by a staggering 200% as prices climbed back above $73,000 for the second day in a row, reaching a new all-time high around $73,700.

BlackRock’s BTC ETF reached $10 billion in record time.

Less than two months after spot BTC ETFs launched in the U.S. on January 11, BlackRock’s IBIT product — the biggest ETF after Grayscale’s GBTC — has crossed the $10 billion mark faster than any ETF in history.

How did it accomplish this feat? Impressive inflows across the spot BTC ETF category have helped drive BTC prices up, and the combination of some $7 billion in capital flowing into IBIT and BTC’s rising values resulted in BlackRock’s fund breaking the record previously held by Invesco’s QQQ fund, which took over a year to hit the $10 billion milestone.

2024 inflows into crypto investment products are on track to break records.

The new ETFs have transformed crypto markets by making BTC more accessible to a wide range of traders — from hedge and pension funds to individuals saving for retirement.

Here’s just one notable example: Across all of 2021 (when crypto markets last peaked), inflows to crypto investment products totalled $10.6 billion, according to CoinShares. In a little over two months this year, inflows have already totaled $10.3 billion.

“I had high expectations, and [the new ETFs] vastly surpassed them,” Bloomberg Intelligence analyst James Seyffart told the Financial Times. “Demand is being pulled forward much quicker.”

U.K. regulator opens the door to crypto exchange-traded products.

As covered in a recent edition of Bytes, regulators in other regions have been watching the U.S. BTC ETF rollout with interest.

The London Stock Exchange will start accepting applications for both BTC and ETH ETNs in the coming months.

South Korea saw crypto trading volumes race past stock trading volumes.

As crypto prices have spiked, crypto exchanges in South Korea have begun to see trade volumes surge past those of stock exchanges.

In one example, Sunday’s crypto volumes (across the five busiest exchanges) totaled around $9 billion, while stock exchange volumes on Friday totalled $8.7 billion.

“Koreans favor high-risk, high-return investments because they experienced a rapidly growing economy,” Ki Young-Ju, founder of onchain provider CryptoQuant, told CoinDesk. “More people are turning to such investments, with altcoins being the preferred choice over major assets like BTC or ETH.”

What do analysts think will happen next?

On Monday, Bernstein analysts doubled down on their report from last October predicting that BTC is headed to $150,000. Specifically, the firm’s latest prediction calls for bitcoin to hit $150,000 by mid-2025, with prices breaking out following next month’s halving event.

Cathie Wood, whose ARK Invest launched its ARK 21Shares BTC ETF in January, has long argued that institutional capital will drive bitcoin’s price to $1 million by 2030. In an interview with the New Zealand Herald, Wood declined to specify the firm’s new target, but said that it’s “well above that.”
 
Question for you crypto guys. I have an Exodus wallet with BTC in it. I recently was looking at it and clicked on “Assets”. There it listed BTC at the top. To my surprise, there were half a dozen other cryptos with balances. Most were less than $2, but one (salano) was about $200. I have never bought anything except BTC and a little ETH. How did I get this other stuff?
 
Question for you crypto guys. I have an Exodus wallet with BTC in it. I recently was looking at it and clicked on “Assets”. There it listed BTC at the top. To my surprise, there were half a dozen other cryptos with balances. Most were less than $2, but one (salano) was about $200. I have never bought anything except BTC and a little ETH. How did I get this other stuff?
Stuff? What "stuff"?

Is there anything tangible about this crap?

I guess I just don't "get" it.


BTW, I was offered to buy bitcoin at $100 a piece but I just couldn't wrap my head around it. Sure, it could have made me some or a lot of money but I didn't bite :homer:
 
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