It is. There's a price to be paid for convenience. I think this years case cost me like 80 bucks.
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NH oil application gun
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Ummduh
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Yea garden sprayer is not going to work... Maybe if you got it to 150+ degrees first?
Fuck I put an entire gallon on my truck the first time I sprayed it. Granted it's a supercab 8' bed and I got EVERYTHING...
On the first spray after getting a car i take the door cards out and everything's else in the interior cargo area. Do the whole thing inside and out. After that it's just the under side yearly.
Foxmxrcer
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So, garden sprayer will not work. Aerosol is dumb for 3 reasons....it's way thinner, way more expensive, and harder to get internal coverage.
On my 4dr long bed 3rd Gen ram, first year I used 3 gallons on it to do it right. Your want to get inside the frame, doors, rockers, wheel arches(remove the inner skins), inside the tailgate(if you have one), inside of EVERYTHING. And then you coat the bottom. I will evaluate the internals on an annual basis, but the under carriage is about a gallon to recoat(not the internals). Depending on how much you drive it will dictate how often you need to redo inside the frame/rockers/etc. good rule of thumb for a DD is 3 gallon for the first year, 1 for the second year, 3 gallon for the 3rd year, 1 gallon for the 4th etc etc.
Anybody who says they're doing an entire full size truck inside and out with a gallon, sucks at it
On my 4dr long bed 3rd Gen ram, first year I used 3 gallons on it to do it right. Your want to get inside the frame, doors, rockers, wheel arches(remove the inner skins), inside the tailgate(if you have one), inside of EVERYTHING. And then you coat the bottom. I will evaluate the internals on an annual basis, but the under carriage is about a gallon to recoat(not the internals). Depending on how much you drive it will dictate how often you need to redo inside the frame/rockers/etc. good rule of thumb for a DD is 3 gallon for the first year, 1 for the second year, 3 gallon for the 3rd year, 1 gallon for the 4th etc etc.
Anybody who says they're doing an entire full size truck inside and out with a gallon, sucks at it
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How thick does this stuff go on? My 4 year old truck has this rust/surface scale on it I'd like to eliminate, of course I've been saying that for a couple years but I got a good feeling about it actually happening this year.
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I end up using a lot of used oil /gear oil mixed with kerosene sprayed out of a guard air siphon sprayer too. Also psc company makes a cosmoline type product in 5 gallon buckets nice for high salt spray areas. anything that drives in salt that I want to keep gets sprayed at least once a year.
[memphis]
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You will probably want a pressure pot style. I have a hand held and it’s tiring.
Lemmer is a good brand
Fluid Film offers this:
www.fluid-film.com
You’ll want some wands to get into the frame and doors/tail light areas
Vevor has knock off pressure pots… they might work as well but be aware of typical shit Chiner quality. Their sand blasting pot works for me but it is temperamental
Lemmer is a good brand
Fluid Film offers this:
FFSG - Fluid Film
View technical specifications and MSDS data for FLUID FILM WRO-EP, a gel lubricant for standing and running rigging, drag lines and bridge cable.
www.fluid-film.com
You’ll want some wands to get into the frame and doors/tail light areas
Vevor has knock off pressure pots… they might work as well but be aware of typical shit Chiner quality. Their sand blasting pot works for me but it is temperamental
[memphis]
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5 year old vehicles here have rust bubbling
10 year terminal cancer
20 year cutting and replacing when it should go to the junk yard
See exhibit A
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ugh, that guy again?
rust is like life
it finds a way
Ummduh
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Anybody who says they're doing an entire full size truck inside and out with a gallon, sucks at it
3 gallons would have 1/4" of it on the entire surface area of a full size truck. Where the fuck are you putting it all.?
Most people are saying they're barely putting a half gallon down.
I don't have a boxed frame and shit. A 1/4" coating has no advantage over a solid coating. Just more shit to drip off on your driveway.
djljeep
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I have like 3 different guns, and I like the one I got from NHOU (although I've switched back to FF because I can't tolerate the way the NHOU feels/smells, weirdly the FF doesn't bother me). The gun with the changeable tips and extension wands is where its at. I'd strongly recommend either working in a heated place or at least keep the product in a heated place, doesn't spray for shit when its cold.
I find that I use wayyy less of it when I do it on a lift vs on my back/on a trailer. Just being able to get the gun an appropriate distance away such that it doesn't go on way thicker than is useful makes a huge difference.
The process I was taught and use is to chase the underside of the vehicle with compressed air via a blow off gun, leave all the dirt/crust on the floor. If you are going to pressure wash first, do it days ahead of time at least. I put the 360 degree tipped extension hose on the gun and chase every drain hole/inside of frame/body cavity I can fit it in (phrasing). Then I put the normal tip back on and blast more into every hole I can the gun to just cause. Then I paint the underside with it. I have friends who actually mask brakes and exhaust, I'm just mindful of where I spray and accept that the first few miles will be smokey/smelly. I typically also spray the outsides of the rockers, inner bottoms of the doors and door jams. If you can let it sit in a heated garage or on warm day it helps it soak in and creep.
I find that I use wayyy less of it when I do it on a lift vs on my back/on a trailer. Just being able to get the gun an appropriate distance away such that it doesn't go on way thicker than is useful makes a huge difference.
The process I was taught and use is to chase the underside of the vehicle with compressed air via a blow off gun, leave all the dirt/crust on the floor. If you are going to pressure wash first, do it days ahead of time at least. I put the 360 degree tipped extension hose on the gun and chase every drain hole/inside of frame/body cavity I can fit it in (phrasing). Then I put the normal tip back on and blast more into every hole I can the gun to just cause. Then I paint the underside with it. I have friends who actually mask brakes and exhaust, I'm just mindful of where I spray and accept that the first few miles will be smokey/smelly. I typically also spray the outsides of the rockers, inner bottoms of the doors and door jams. If you can let it sit in a heated garage or on warm day it helps it soak in and creep.
Foxmxrcer
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Inside the box frame, inside the rockers, inside every single channel of the under body, inside cross members, inside control arms, inside radiator supports, inside door lowers, inside cab corners, inside wheel wells(after liner is removed), inside bumpers, and then everything you see under the truck. Oh, and the axles, shackles, etc. I live in PA, our road treatments suck. I will take every step possible to prolong the life of my rust free (for a reason) 3rd Gen ram
In order for it to work properly, you need to coat the truck as if you dipped it in a vat(360*). Just because it's touching one surface, does not mean that it's protected.
Chicken Corners
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subybaja
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In the early 2000s I had an 84 Eagle S/X4. It had zero rust (unusual for an Eagle around here), and a Ziebart sticker. Coincidence?
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a'salt' guns doGuns don't scare salt away
I have an 04 and 08 with no rust.
Meanwhile there's 5 year old cars around here with rust bubbles on the fender arches.
For those not in the know-
Rusty Jones (company) explained
What is Rusty Jones (company)? Rusty Jones was an American chemicals company which produced aftermarket rustproofing for vehicles under their "Rusty Jones" ...
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Are you trying to drill oil? And typod gun instead of fun?
budget76
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well damn, i bought the gallon months ago. guess i'm buying another tool to apply it
will have to decide if i go airless paint sprayer route, or cheap undercoat gun route.
will have to decide if i go airless paint sprayer route, or cheap undercoat gun route.
The 2001 excursion from Massachusetts has a Simonize sticker, 15 years old it looked great, until you looked under it.
The eagles around me were never rusty.
Foxmxrcer
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Again, I'm personally not fond of the top or bottom style, but they do work ok. I wouldn't run an airless sprayer unless you can find a way to run wands on it (even still, I'm not sure if it would be able to shoot such a thick product). Going by those 3 pictures, you're going to want the bottom one.well damn, i bought the gallon months ago. guess i'm buying another tool to apply it
will have to decide if i go airless paint sprayer route, or cheap undercoat gun route.
Thoughts on a cheap airless paint sprayer?
rattlewagon
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I too use the kellsport gun for fluid film. It should work fine for NHOIL.
budget76
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thanks. reviews were mixed on the bottom one, and it looks like the same as the top except extra hoses. figured i could just grab some spare fuel/coolant rubber line and a hose clamp to spray shit into cavities.
lots of forum posts say the airless guns work if you warm the fluid film up first.
didn't pull the trigger on either. I'll stay indecisive for a while longer
Burns
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well damn, i bought the gallon months ago. guess i'm buying another tool to apply it
will have to decide if i go airless paint sprayer route, or cheap undercoat gun route.
I bought the top one for the Fummins and it looks good from my house
And used easily 2-2.5 gallons on the truck. Half gallon on my old Outback.