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Natural gas prices astronomical this weekend

I put in a 250 gallon tank years ago with a hook up to fill my own propane bottles. the only thing in the house that is propane is the stove. but my forklift is propane. I fill the tank every other year. and I fill all the tanks I haul back and forth to Colorado. one of the best things I ever did at the house.
 
JR4X said:
These guys now. ConocoPhillips light, HilCorp bought out a bunch of company’s and kept CP corporate to run the whole thing.

https://www.hilcorp.com
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No Way. Back in the day a few guys I worked with went to Hilcorp, but on the production side rather than trading. I was at Calpine and then Rosetta. I used to know some people at CP, but I believe they have all left except for 1 lady in contracts. Small world. How is the weekend going for you? Disaster or are you printing some $$?
 
DRTDEVL said:
That's why I use my guy. Checks tare weight, and sets it accordingly. Always a full fill.

But for what I use, its not worth the hassle of a fixed tank. My garage is insulated, and I have a 1500w electric oil filled radiator in there for heat. When it goes sub-zero, the garage can dip below freezing... which would turn my deep freezers into food warming stations. Only on these short stretches will I add my Hunting Buddy heater in there on low during the day and on high at night. This keeps the garage in the 40s-50s, and my freezers full of meat happy.

I have natural gas to the home, and have considered both putting a NG heater in there separately, or adding the plumbing to the boiler system to put a couple small radiators in the garage. Until then, however, this setup works fine.
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In garage thermo switch to cut power to freezers when it gets that cold?
 
gunracer1 said:
I put in a 250 gallon tank years ago with a hook up to fill my own propane bottles. the only thing in the house that is propane is the stove. but my forklift is propane. I fill the tank every other year. and I fill all the tanks I haul back and forth to Colorado. one of the best things I ever did at the house.
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What does the fill setup look like? I have a 350 gal tank that only feeds my WH, range and a gas log....and eventually a generator. It'd be handy to be able fill up my small tanks off that all year.
 
bgaidan said:
What does the fill setup look like? I have a 350 gal tank that only feeds my WH, range and a gas log....and eventually a generator. It'd be handy to be able fill up my small tanks off that all year.
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You need a liquid stinger and the liquid in the tank will equalize with the bottle. Will work great for small tanks. If you want to fill tanks that are taller, then a pump is better or you have to bleed down the bottle pressure wasting propane. In that case, nozzle in bottom of tank and pump.
 
I’m told that the San Juan north got $90 and change on Saturday and $92 and change Sunday per MMBTU. If this lasts one week work may reach it’s financial goals for the year, by the end of the month. A 32 times price increase on the main commodity they sell, paired with a couple days of warm enough weather that we exceeded production capacity made for a killer weekend.
 
LeadfootCJ7 said:
No Way. Back in the day a few guys I worked with went to Hilcorp, but on the production side rather than trading. I was at Calpine and then Rosetta. I used to know some people at CP, but I believe they have all left except for 1 lady in contracts. Small world. How is the weekend going for you? Disaster or are you printing some $$?
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The only disaster is working on Valentine’s Day after PROMISING my girl that this weekend was hers. I worked 2 weeks straight beginning the middle of January and left for KOH the minute I got home from work, gone for 10 days and went straight back to work after getting home. We haven’t done anything together for a month now. She’s pretty understanding but they can only take so much.
 
Red75bronco said:
If you want to fill tanks that are taller, then a pump is better or you have to bleed down the bottle pressure wasting propane. In that case, nozzle in bottom of tank and pump.
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I been thinking about trying one of those bosch inline fuel pumps, like the 044 but whatever part number comes on old fords
another of a million things ain't got around to
 
Andrew said:
Just bought a brand spankin new Harmon pellet stove last Monday.

My nat. Gas heating bill was getting out of control.
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Id like to see the math here. I always assumed Nat gas was cheaper than pellets anymore on a $/btu basis.
 
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Red75bronco said:
You need a liquid stinger and the liquid in the tank will equalize with the bottle. Will work great for small tanks. If you want to fill tanks that are taller, then a pump is better or you have to bleed down the bottle pressure wasting propane. In that case, nozzle in bottom of tank and pump.
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Interesting. But fuck an hour to fill a 20 pounder.

I have a huge chest freezer that will easily hold a tank. Gonna have to try freezing one and filling it on a hot day.

 
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I been thinking about trying one of those bosch inline fuel pumps, like the 044 but whatever part number comes on old fords
another of a million things ain't got around to
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You'll want to do that when the temps are well below 0F or the case of that pump is going to explode.
 
larboc said:
You'll want to do that when the temps are well below 0F or the case of that pump is going to explode.
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I was figuring 70F lines up with 100 psi
it is drawn aluminum, didn't look too close at the end closing though
 
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I was figuring 70F lines up with 100 psi
it is drawn aluminum, didn't look too close at the end closing though
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More like treefiddy psi.
 
Now is the time to shut down those evil, terrible pipelines from Canada.
 
IH-SSII said:
Now is the time to shut down those evil, terrible pipelines from Canada.
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And coal plants. Let them see how awesome renewable energy really is. We were supposed to start a 7 week outage, but it got pushed because they need the power everywhere.
 
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Weekend is over and the prices are up even more. 161.57 yesterday close
 
Andrew said:
Just bought a brand spankin new Harmon pellet stove last Monday.

My nat. Gas heating bill was getting out of control.
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You whittling your own pellets?

My gut tells me they use NG to dry those little balls of energy out when they make them.

I’m not telling you your wrong just like to see what your giving for Natural Gas.
 
JR4X said:
Weekend is over and the prices are up even more. 161.57 yesterday close
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Someone made good $$$. Nothing worse than having your gas sold at the price and then your gas can't flow for any number of reasons out of your control. I don't miss those days
 
IGT said:
You whittling your own pellets?

My gut tells me they use NG to dry those little balls of energy out when they make them.

I’m not telling you your wrong just like to see what your giving for Natural Gas.
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He never showed his work so I'll do it for him:

Local data point:
$0.56 per 100,000btu total for residential gas (energy, delivery, bs charge)

$0.13/lb for bulk pellets 8000btu/lb or 61,000 btu/$
$1.63 per 100,000 btu for wood pellets.

Propane is around $2.50/gal, 91,500 btu/gal so
$2.73 per 100,000btu

Efficiency of a modern NG and propane furnace will be higher than a pellet furnace.

Rule of thumb is that pellets are about 3x more expensive than natural gas, and slightly cheaper than propane. Locally anyway.

I'm too far from civilization to ever get NG so I burn wood because I like to keep my house and family on the warmer side, am too cheap for propane, and too smart for pellets.
 
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