That program screwed the auto enthusiasts more than they will ever know.
by design ...
That program screwed the auto enthusiasts more than they will ever know.
Not talking about Wranglers, as they generally are not "cheap."
what are we calling cheap?
I'd say a trail worthy rig for 10k or under.
I'm not sure why less than 20 years old is a prerequisite.... most vehicles (except jeeps and maybe toys) built in the last 20 years are not even close to this on 33's IMO
I paid 4500, put some fb 33's on and have been wheeling since. It's taken apart now for crossover, frame fixing(at the steering box) and a winch. I've been thinking about throwing a spartan in the front and seeing if i can keep the shafts alive on 37's
I've got a 12 bolt with 4.56 for the rear, another motor that purrs like a kitten and an nv4500 for future use.... also only cost anther 800 for those items in a beater truck.
Not as expensive thoughAnd ready to bolt on a better axleBecause everyone here knows what older beaters are the shit, hell the bassis of this forum was founded on them.
And if 33s are What we are talking a 90s tacoma with an elocker and 33s would out beater that thing anywhere
20 years because that is usually when they are close to cheapest. Too new to be classics, too old to be new with payments.
Oh and 33’s? lol. Shitbox Toyota trucks don’t count until they are on 37’s.
33’s May as well have white walls and be mounted on Daytons.
fawk to me a beater is a vehicle rims tires winch parts steel and everything for $5k or lessFor $5,000 and under I found a 1996 k1500, 96 4Runner, 92 Cherokee (bastard year?), 1995 4Runner, 4 cylinder 95 cherokee, 1993 bronco, 99 K2500 suburban and a 1998 Grand Cherokee.
Older than 20 years old. They should still be reliable ‘beaters’ as much as calling a $5,000 car a ‘beater’ hurt me.
For another $5,000 in parts and time these could be really reliable off road.
‘Cash for clunkers ruined the used car market.’fawk to me a beater is a vehicle rims tires winch parts steel and everything for $5k or less
sounds like my (what i thought was nice) 4runner is a beater to alot of people
Reminds me of a Subaru brat we put 29 inch sxs tires on and beat to death. My old lady flopped it three times but it eventually succumb to water damage. Most fun on $1800 ever.Don’t get too excited. It’s got 4.24:1 t-case gears. Spooled rear, locker in front. 30” SXS tires. Little, light, effective.
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yup. beater in my eyes is $2500 or less, so Id say $5k all in.fawk to me a beater is a vehicle rims tires winch parts steel and everything for $5k or less
sounds like my (what i thought was nice) 4runner is a beater to alot of people
Wranglers here are in the $10k range. You can find them slightly below that, but not much, even a YJ.There are plenty of Wranglers under $10K, JKs even, if you stick with a 2dr.
Reminds me of a Subaru brat we put 29 inch sxs tires on and beat to death. My old lady flopped it three times but it eventually succumb to water damage. Most fun on $1800 ever.
Yeah,and minimum wage hasn't changed for 15 years.I'm going to disagree on that one. According to a forum post from 2000 on off-road.com a Dana 44 ARB could be found for $629 back then. Adjusted for inflation that's $1,156.37. A Dana 44 ARB is now $1,091. I'm sure we can find parts that have gotten more expensive or cheaper, and yes building off-road rigs is not cheap, but I don't think that is why we see less builds. ARB too rich for your blood, I don't think welding rod has outpaced inflation. We're getting old. We remember when shit was cheaper.
While the parts are expensive, but I'd argue that you don't need most of them. I saw a trend around 2009 of people thinking they needed to have super built rigs, full ground up builds that take more time, money and skill than they have. Still today if you ask on the internet about super duty ball joints, you'd be told that they're junk and you NEED to have ball joint eliminators or deletes. This seems to perpetuate throughout the build. Stock steering is junk, you need 2.5 ton steering. You need to be on 37s and have $10k in skid plates to run the Rubicon. 4Runners and XJs are junk.
I feel like this mindset made people start never ending builds, I saw a few of them in our club. The never ending build will make you not wheel, and make you and your friends gun-shy of starting new builds.
When I got started, I had an XJ on 31s then 35s then 36s and stock front axle with a lockright. I'd drive carefully, but still break a front axleshaft every couple trips. I got good a changing them and sourcing replacements at the junkyard. My buddies with Toyotas did the same with birfs. We still went out and had a great time, and upgraded as we could afford it.
I sold it to a mechanic and he rebuilt it to beat around his farm. I think he still has it.You didn’t drag it out and stick another engine in it to keep beating on it?
Ok that's fair clarification on the age range. Makes sense.yup. beater in my eyes is $2500 or less, so Id say $5k all in.
Wranglers here are in the $10k range. You can find them slightly below that, but not much, even a YJ.
You can still find ZJ & WJs for sub-2500, and occasionally an XJ, but they are typically more.
I am perfectly content finding old vehicles and working on them. There are tons of "newer" vehicles that are littering the yards, and most of the 20+ yr old ones are being scrapped, as the demand isnt as high. Mostly curious if there is some "hidden gem" out there, other than the standard stuff we always see.
32’s? 35’s were huge on the 2003 H2. (Not counting H1 37’s)What were the biggest tires offered factory in the 90s? 33s?
Now 37s come stock so I would say 37s are the new 33s
Well if 37 is the size you want to slap on your cheap beater, what stockish platform you gonna use to keep it cheap?
I mean, are we not talking about our 20 year old selves?
There aren't many vehicles made in the last 20 years that can be reliable with a 37 in stock form, let alone swing that big fucker without a lift or or having to take your sheet metal completely off. I don't know about you guys, but in my 20"s i had to be able to daily drive my beater because who could afford more than two vehicles back then? There were plenty of other priorities that needed attention.
But i guess if you want 37" tires on your cheap beater then a super duty is the only way. Plenty is strength for them, pretty close to clearing with stock suspension, and plenty of engine/ trans combos that can be slipped in.
Well if 37 is the size you want to slap on your cheap beater, what stockish platform you gonna use to keep it cheap?
I mean, are we not talking about our 20 year old selves?
There aren't many vehicles made in the last 20 years that can be reliable with a 37 in stock form, let alone swing that big fucker without a lift or or having to take your sheet metal completely off. I don't know about you guys, but in my 20"s i had to be able to daily drive my beater because who could afford more than two vehicles back then? There were plenty of other priorities that needed attention.
But i guess if you want 37" tires on your cheap beater then a super duty is the only way. Plenty is strength for them, pretty close to clearing with stock suspension, and plenty of engine/ trans combos that can be slipped in.