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Midnight Metal Works T Case.

I looked thru it about 6 months ago, and most were about 3" different in length compared to the 203. Now that the truck actually runs I have to look it up again.

rockyota83 said:
i doubt their customer base is people that already have a working doubler that they want to take out and replace it with theirs
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I agree, and I wouldn't be mad if they didn't make one, but I'd still be happy if someone did.
 
reptillikus said:
I looked thru it about 6 months ago, and most were about 3" different in length compared to the 203. Now that the truck actually runs I have to look it up again.



I agree, and I wouldn't be mad if they didn't make one, but I'd still be happy if someone did
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If you np203 doubler has the 6 bolt round bolt pattern it will work with our np205 case or dana 300. We will look into making a figure 8 style adapter but it would add length. The northwestfab eco box looks like it might be simular length and would offer more gearing options. NWF Eco Box Billet Planetary Doubler Case-BBE00-30
 
Any chance you are planning to make a d300 with a 1.5 high gear? or an underdrive similar to the Trail Tough Undertaker? The market might not be as big, but zuk guys are looking for better options than a sami case.
 
ParadisePWoffrd said:
Any chance you are planning to make a d300 with a 1.5 high gear? or an underdrive similar to the Trail Tough Undertaker? The market might not be as big, but zuk guys are looking for better options than a sami case.
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You'll never be able to do anything but 1:1 high in a tcase with a cented output.

Most zuk guys are pretty good with the zuk case, they're stronger than most give them credit and wiegh like 25 lbs.

Maybe MM can look into supporting the lt230 case though? If a black box type umderdrive was made for the front, that would be a pretty sweet doubler.
 
I thought i would warn everyone we have to raise our prices but you have till the end of the week to get a case at the current price. We have been absorbing the increased raw material price for as long as we could hoping the markets would come back down.
 
Agreed, too much for a 300....get on those np205 billet cases and that'll fund this super expensive Dana 300 endeavor.

Edit: not my business and I'm sure you guys know what you're doing but I would have came out with the billet np205 case first, especially with teaming up with JB that could offer you gears for the np205, that would be your bread and butter and then r&d on 300 cases would go down a bit in cost... just my 2¢
 
Its not the fact we want to raise prices cost of aluminum has doubled since we introduced the case at the old price. We still are less than the other replacement cases on the market. Our 300s have been selling like no other with the rise of portal buggys and the huge wait times for atlas . Tons of our customers that are previous atlas owners have been much happier with our case and claim its stronger. Im sure when our doubler and np205 come out its going to be in for insane here we are investing in new equipment to increase our production massively.
 

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Yet they can't keep them in stock.......

For the 1000th time, nothing in that case is smaller than an atlas, this is billet vs cast. Atlas just has the name.

Atlas is like 30+ weeks out.

Shits expensive, I don't think $3500 for a brand new billet tcase is bad.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Yet they can't keep them in stock.......

For the 1000th time, nothing in that case is smaller than an atlas, this is billet vs cast. Atlas just has the name.

Atlas is like 30+ weeks out.

Shits expensive, I don't think $3500 for a brand new billet tcase is bad.
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Because it's a perfect case for a portal buggy with no wait time, once that 12% of the off-road community buys their case then what?

I read like an asshole in texts but straight to the point comes across that way. I don't have an issue with this case just the price for my budget. I have a little issue claiming a "ton" (2,000 or so cases then correct?) have been sold and those people "say it's stronger than an Atlas". That's a fairly large claim with no proof other than hearsay and that's enough to change my mind on price?

While advanced has had their issues with the atlas they've r&d'd over 20 years and kept it cost effective for the general consumer. If the atlas was billet would this change your mind at all? You seem to have a bit of an issue with atlas that seems to go deeper than wait times. Not trying to start shit just curious why?

And I have all intentions of buying midnights billet np205 cases when it's released so I'm not here to just dog on midnights cases either
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Neither do I but you know how the majority of the cheap asses are on this site, if it's not free-fiddy those guys think it's way to much money and that they are getting fucked........
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Same could be said about ballers thinking something is crap and they're getting fucked because it's too cheap and can't be good because of the company it came from and tell the world. 3 years later, said part is on their rig.

You're correct though, I'm a cheap ass and would like my replacement case to be "free-fiddy" :lmao:. That made me laugh, thanks.
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Because it's a perfect case for a portal buggy with no wait time, once that 12% of the off-road community buys their case then what?
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You really think thats the only people buying? I don't get where you are thinking a D300 is such a weak pos.

Wuz-A-zuk said:
I read like an asshole in texts but straight to the point comes across that way. I don't have an issue with this case just the price for my budget. I have a little issue claiming a "ton" (2,000 or so cases then correct?) have been sold and those people "say it's stronger than an Atlas". That's a fairly large claim with no proof other than hearsay and that's enough to change my mind on price?
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Because the D300 has been around for 40 years and people know the limitations? Not like all this stuff is one off. Stak was making the replace a case 15? Years ago.

A 32 spline D300 with low max gears isn't bad for most, at some point the case might crack, and that's where this comes in. Everything about the low max gears looks on par or better than the atlas as far as I see.

Wuz-A-zuk said:
While advanced has had their issues with the atlas they've r&d'd over 20 years and kept it cost effective for the general consumer. If the atlas was billet would this change your mind at all? You seem to have a bit of an issue with atlas that seems to go deeper than wait times. Not trying to start shit just curious why?
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Everytime I've had my hands on their products I'm beyond underwhelmed. The quality is just shit. They make an awesome Toyota crawl box to atlas adapter, but they cheaper out and used a th350 to atlas adapter as the front half (which is a terribly weak small 4 bolt setup) then made the other half fit that. Those 4 bolts come loose, the bearing eats itself. The one guy I know who bought one had nothing but issues with it. Seeing the 1920s type 6 spline shaft inside recently also, they used this untill about 05 :homer: typical aa imo.

I'd still run an atlas, but I don't think it's some holy grail to hold all tcases to.

Id have no problem running this case in anything I'd put an atlas in, not just ultra light 4 cyls.

Wuz-A-zuk said:
And I have all intentions of buying midnights billet np205 cases when it's released so I'm not here to just dog on midnights cases either
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YotaAtieToo said:
You really think thats the only people buying? I don't get where you are thinking a D300 is such a weak pos.

sEverytime I've had my hands on their products I'm beyond underwhelmed. The quality is just shit. They make an awesome Toyota crawl box to atlas adapter, but they cheaper out and used a th350 to atlas adapter as the front half (which is a terribly weak small 4 bolt setup) then made the other half fit that. Those 4 bolts come loose, the bearing eats itself. The one guy I know who bought one had nothing but issues with it. Seeing the 1920s type 6 spline shaft inside recently also, they used this untill about 05 :homer: typical aa imo.

I'd still run an atlas, but I don't think it's some holy grail to hold all tcases to.

Id have no problem running this case in anything I'd put an atlas in, not just ultra light 4 cyls.
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I don't think that's the only people buying them. I think many people that put way too much money into their 300 will find the replacement case a perfect option for their rig.

I don't think they're weak pos's but I could say that the only people I wheel with that have tcase issues are both running 300's and neither can stop breaking outputs and/or cases. 10-12 people, few atlas's, 2 heroes, good amount of np205 doublers, and 2 300's. All behind LS's/th350/450 on 14 bolts/60's/70's and as stated in 5-7 years wheeling with said group and only tcase issues were from the guys running 300's. They just don't seem to like big power without crazy axle gears.

I will say, 2 of the atlas owners have been having issues with shifting on their cases, not sure why and both run different style shifters/cables.

I'm not aware of any of atlas's older issues or newer, nor do I hold them to the holy grail of tcases. I'm just getting into the big boy parts, most of my 20 year wheeling career has been in zuk and yota based rigs with no power and stockish drivetrains but gotta keep up with the Jones...
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
I don't think that's the only people buying them. I think many people that put way too much money into their 300 will find the replacement case a perfect option for their rig.

I don't think they're weak pos's but I could say that the only people I wheel with that have tcase issues are both running 300's and neither can stop breaking outputs and/or cases. 10-12 people, few atlas's, 2 heroes, good amount of np205 doublers, and 2 300's. All behind LS's/th350/450 on 14 bolts/60's/70's and as stated in 5-7 years wheeling with said group and only tcase issues were from the guys running 300's. They just don't seem to like big power without crazy axle gears.

I will say, 2 of the atlas owners have been having issues with shifting on their cases, not sure why and both run different style shifters/cables.

I'm not aware of any of atlas's older issues or newer, nor do I hold them to the holy grail of tcases. I'm just getting into the big boy parts, most of my 20 year wheeling career has been in zuk and yota based rigs with no power and stockish drivetrains but gotta keep up with the Jones...
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Atlas uses the same 32 spline outputs as this, if they're breaking outputs, they'd break atlas outputs.
 
I know some will argue this but a np231 in my opinion, is stronger than a 300 in stock form and lower geared. I blew up two jeep 4.0s on rev limiter while neutral dropping with tons and 42s and only managed to slightly crack the rear section when it landed directly on a rock. I even ran the stock slip yoke on the rear without problems.

This adds nothing to the conversation but wanted the tree fidy budget wheelers to have options :flipoff2:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Atlas uses the same 32 spline outputs as this, if they're breaking outputs, they'd break atlas outputs.
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Yes, you are correct :flipoff2:. One was a yoke break and the other a case so one had nothing to do with this case and the other solved.

Once again, why the eff am I here...where's the...damn...door :homer:
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Yes, you are correct :flipoff2:. One was a yoke break and the other a case so one had nothing to do with this case and the other solved.

Once again, why the eff am I here...where's the...damn...door :homer:
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You realize you are saying the equivalent of "dana 60s are total garbage, my buddy broke a stock 30 spline stub and my other buddy broke a stock knuckle" in a thread about a fully aftermarket, upgraded dana 60 right?
 
This is bobbys jeep LT dan he also works at midnight metal works. It has been running our case with a doubler, v8 , 1tons and 42s and weighs close to 6k. He beats the hell out of it. He breaks his front chromo dana 60 shafts and ring gear but has no issues with his case. Once we have our 300m gear set made and 40 spline outputs there wont be any strength issues ever with the 300. The only reason to step up to the np205 will be gear spacing to clear trans pans.
 

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Also the np205 has been delayed due to waiting on jb conversions has been pushing the production of a batch of 3 to1 off again and again on us. The case was designed with dimension that they gave us for thier gearset. But we wanted to make sure they fit physically. But we are now moving forward with the prototypes without them and having our own gearsets developed in more ratios since the demand for our np205 case is so high.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
You'll never be able to do anything but 1:1 high in a tcase with a cented output.

Most zuk guys are pretty good with the zuk case, they're stronger than most give them credit and wiegh like 25 lbs.

Maybe MM can look into supporting the lt230 case though? If a black box type umderdrive was made for the front, that would be a pretty sweet doubler.
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You can make 3 speed cases with a center output. Hero comes to mind.

While technically the middle ratio isn't "High range" nothing forces you to use the 1:1 ratio.
 
Bebop said:
You can make 3 speed cases with a center output. Hero comes to mind.

While technically the middle ratio isn't "High range" nothing forces you to use the 1:1 ratio.
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Well yes, you're right, but that's adding another set of gears.

What I meant to say is that you will never have anything but 1:1 high in a standard 2 gear set tcase with a centered output.

It would be interesting to see if there was a market for a tcase with offset outputs and a ~1.2-1.5 high. Would be great for koh rigs and underpowered junk like mine :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
It would be interesting to see if there was a market for a tcase with offset outputs and a ~1.2-1.5 high. Would be great for koh rigs and underpowered junk like mine :laughing:
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Already exists. I outfitted a friends U4 rig with a SCS and an ORD magnum underdrive. Still centered output too.

He loves it.
 
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