May as well ask here, what is the issue with IVF?

[animator]

While you are correct about the procedure I do not believe that is the reasoning they killed the bill. Based on my limited digging. I believe it was a financial decision. And not all repubs believe it was the right one. Trump and several other support government or insurance funding it.

From where I sit, this is a financial battle being had, not a morality one.

I’ve seen objections to it on religious grounds from the reason stated, but I could absolutely see it being opposed due to financial reasons as well. It insurance is forced to cover it, I’d expect those costs to skyrocket in the short term.

On the flip side, if it becomes more common, I’d expect the cost to drop as more r&d is put into it to develop better and more efficient and effective technology to produce improved results. Currently the success is around 20%. Improving that would be a huge benefit in my opinion.

 

[Provience]

It's sure be sweet as fucknif the government could get out of the insurance game and you could buy IVF coverage if you wanted to or not

 

[Rooney77]

My point is the population isn’t at risk with natural conception alone. What’s crazy is people not accepting what they get in life. Creating life is just as controversial as terminating life.

I see both arguments around it. I was born with crohns, and an endocrine issue. Insurance paid/pays for both.

If my wife or I was born with fertility issues, why should that be different? It's a medical issue after all.

But I also understand having a child is a choice and insurance shouldn't pay for elective procedures.

I don't see a clear cut answer either way.

 

[rockota]

I see no reason why insurance would want to pay for this… and definitely do not believe the govt has the constitutional privilege to force a company to offer a service (yeah… yeah… that was taken off life support with Obamacare.)

 

[animator]

It's sure be sweet as fucknif the government could get out of the insurance game and you could buy IVF coverage if you wanted to or not

Right now it’s mostly up to the insurance companies to decide if they cover it or not. Many cover up to one treatment, but only if there’s another issue that directly affects fertility that they also cover. One treatment is pretty much a waste of time.

Some states, like NY for example, require company-provided insurance to cover up to 3 treatments, but only if the company has over 200 employees, and those companies can skirt those requirements by using out of state providers, if I’m understanding correctly.

Once we discovered that insurance was a waste, we started writing checks and just took it up the ass with nothing to show for it in the end.

 

[animator]

It's sure be sweet as fucknif the government could get out of the insurance game and you could buy IVF coverage if you wanted to or not

This was a route I tried after employer insurance said to fuck off, but none in Tx covered it without another condition that affected fertility, so there was no coverage opt to buy.

 

[Provience]

This was a route I tried after employer insurance said to fuck off, but none in Tx covered it without another condition that affected fertility, so there was no coverage opt to buy.

It isn't made easier with as much .gov shit is already into the payment scheme.

That it was even entertained in congress is a problem

 

[fordguy]

OP, you thinking about it?

 

[Beat95yj]

I lied about my laziness. This is a quote from Thune about it from Fox.

"Every Republican is for IVF. I don't know of any Republican that isn't," he said. "The question of whether or not insurance ought to cover it is another issue that we need to talk about."

That makes sense. Although you would think it’s up to the insurance provider and the insured to make up that decision. I know wealthy people that have insurance that covers everything while mine make sure I have a pulse sometimes.

 

[Beat95yj]

OP, you thinking about it?

No. The kid ship has sailed.

 

[Ebs]

If we're voting on if the gov should get involved in something it should almost always be somewhere in between 'no' and 'fuck no'.

 

[animator]

It isn't made easier with as much .gov shit is already into the payment scheme.

That it was even entertained in congress is a problem

I have no doubt the price would go up in the near term. But I also would fully utilize it with zero guilt knowing I’ve paid thousands in premiums while my healthcare cost over the last few years has been exactly zero.

 

[Provience]

I have no doubt the price would go up in the near term. But I also would fully utilize it with zero guilt knowing I’ve paid thousands in premiums while my healthcare cost over the last few years has been exactly zero.

Yeah the whole thing is insane-o

 

[gladman]

So the idea is to ban IVF, so there is zero life created? That’s nuts.

DJT has come out in favor of IVF and has pledged that the govt will pay for it... so it isn't strictly a right left thing.

It is along the lines of the biblical edict that masturbation is effectively reducing actual births by wasting semen/sperm.

The belief is that if an egg exists, it deserves the right to come to fruition...

I think the resistance to the legislation is the 'slippery slope' of if you allow destruction of these eggs then it will lead to opening up the path to abortion.

 

[gladman]

My point is the population isn’t at risk with natural conception alone. What’s crazy is people not accepting what they get in life. Creating life is just as controversial as terminating life.

so, you also oppose LS Swaps?

 

[Drakeslayer]

Once we discovered that insurance was a waste, we started writing checks and just took it up the ass with nothing to show for it in the end.

I'm truly sorry it didn't work for you, perhaps taking it up the ass was not the best option.

 

[Thumping]

That could be. I didn’t see any mention in the blurb I read of anything, but Republicans and IVF

That's all they want you to know about

 

[animator]

I'm truly sorry it didn't work for you, perhaps taking it up the ass was not the best option.

Fuck. I knew we were doing it wrong.

 

[DWT]

I don't get it. If you can't knock a chick up then I guess you're not going to have kids. Doesn't seem so hard to grasp yet people pay 10s of thousands just to knock a chick up. Fucking idiots.

 

[Provience]

That's all they want you to know about

Abortion is settled, might as well move the goal post to IVF

 

[Landslide]

That’s not at all what I saw in the blurb. I agree that if you want the procedure, you should pay for it. All I really saw was something that said Republicans voted on party lines against it. 🤷‍♂️

Why are you concerned about it passing?

 

[Beat95yj]

Why are you concerned about it passing?

No, I was curious about the reasoning. I feel like I saw this mentioned it some point in the news in the last month or so. I think somebody was trying to create a controversy regarding Harris’ss running mate having used IVF with his wife.

I was having a hard time grasping why anybody would be against IVF. I am a little biased as I know several people who have done it. And it has made them the happiest, most attentive parents I have ever seen.

 

[smurfblue40]

I was having a hard time grasping why anybody would be against IVF. I am a little biased as I know several people who have done it. And it has made them the happiest, most attentive parents I have ever seen.

I was wondering same.

Before we had kids, we had neighbors who were desperately trying to get pregnant. They spent a LOT of money on everything to try to get pregnant, including IVF (3 times). Once they tried everything the medical world had to offer, they went the adoption route (I was adopted). The adoption cost them a lot of money, but they finally had their baby.

Six months after the adoption they got pregnant the old fashioned way

 

[buzzbombxj]

I have two popsicle nephews, (that's what I call them), they were somebody else's IVF left overs. The DNA parents had a bunch of embryos created, used what they needed, and had leftovers. The frozen embryos were given a viability score, like 60% viable, 70% viable, and essentially sold off. My brother and wife adopted the embryos, paid through the nose for implantation, and had a couple boys. On one of them they got to pick a racial category, the other one just picked on viability score. I think both kids were frozen for a couple years.

So really the biggest prolife move here is to man (woman) up and buy up these leftover frozen kids.

 

[clodhopper]

So really the biggest prolife move here is to man (woman) up and buy up these leftover frozen kids.

I would rather see a significant simplification of the adoption industry and get the already breathing kids into families before worrying about the embyo stage citizens. IVF does help some, and it does push technology forward, but too many people get lost on the idea that they have to have genetic children to be parents. Parenting has little to nothing to do with genetics.

 

[TheLivingBubba]

I think somebody was trying to create a controversy regarding Harris’ss running mate having used IVF with his wife.

The issue was the Tim Walz lied about using IVF to have his kids. Establishes a long pattern of lying about unnecessary shit to pander.
Tim Walz has described his family's IVF experience. But they used a different procedure

 

[Bacho]

I think that is it. Potential life is being destroyed.

If that life is man-made, is it really a "sin" to destroy? Not sure how it all works.

I DO know that these issues are killing the right though.

Isn't most life man-made?

 

[Poke]

That could be. I didn’t see any mention in the blurb I read of anything, but Republicans and IVF

That tells me it wasn’t about IVF

 

[665.0coupe]

I don't get it. If you can't knock a chick up then I guess you're not going to have kids. Doesn't seem so hard to grasp yet people pay 10s of thousands just to knock a chick up. Fucking idiots.

It's definitely not always that simple.

 

[Poke]

That’s not at all what I saw in the blurb. I agree that if you want the procedure, you should pay for it. All I really saw was something that said Republicans voted on party lines against it. 🤷‍♂️

Well if it’s of this world and available the US government will buy it with tax dollars. (As long as the congress gets a nickel from each purchase of course)