Math is racist, we all knew that. Why it's racist is the fun part

[clodhopper]

If he doesn't like the mercator projection, he is welcome to devise a new way to depict a 3 dimensional sphere in a 2 dimensional space. I always like to see new concepts.

 

[Provience]

If he doesn't like the mercator projection, he is welcome to devise a new way to depict a 3 dimensional sphere in a 2 dimensional space. I always like to see new concepts.

maps are awesome, there are countless projections to use. the most important thing about a map is matching it to a specific use.

If maps in school are racist because of land area projections, then schools should have globes i'm 100% certain the first time I saw a globe in real life was in school.

 

[billybob_81067]

maps are awesome, there are countless projections to use. the most important thing about a map is matching it to a specific use.

If maps in school are racist because of land area projections, then schools should have globes i'm 100% certain the first time I saw a globe in real life was in school.

Globes are racist. Tyrone and Jamal keep taking them off the stands and shooting hoops with them.

 

[Mr.Ratbastard]

What happens when all these equality math geniuses get out of school and into the real world?

The Mars rover lands on a house.

 

[Ovrez]

Globes are racist. Tyrone and Jamal keep taking them off the stands and shooting hoops with them.

 

[Roc Doc]

which decries racist behaviors such as the “focus” on “getting the ‘right’ answer,” requiring students to “show their work,” and “independent practice” being valued over teamwork

Soe does that mean it's going to take two guards, two forwards and a center to figure out the lunch tab?

 

[SomeGuy]

Here's another perspective on it:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/racist-math-education/524199/

Basically says racist teachers teach certain races differently. That doesn't sound like a math problem to me, so leave my math alone.

 

[Provience]

Here's another perspective on it:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/racist-math-education/524199/

Basically says racist teachers teach certain races differently. That doesn't sound like a math problem to me, so leave my math alone.

When her study partner was absent for a series of days, Benjamin-Ficken began to struggle with the material and barely passed the class with a D-minus. Her senior year in AP Calculus repeated the pattern—lacking support and feeling ignored in the class, she passed with a D.

“I didn’t have a math teacher that I could go and get help from, [and] I didn't feel comfortable at all approaching my own math teacher,” she said. Recognizing the undercurrent—how her feelings of isolation were related to her race—she admits “those two [classes] really made me question: Do I consider myself good at math anymore?”

sounds like she earned a D- and a D, yeah i'd say she hit her wall for dealing with math do they not give out books in high school anymore? that's where the learning takes place.

According to Battey, there are ways in which math teachers, math educators, and math researchers “are perpetuating racism in schools”—which is shaping the expectations, interactions, and kinds of mathematics that students experience. And the lack of attention to whiteness as the fundamental cause leaves it invisible and neutral. “Naming white institutional spaces, as well as identifying the mechanisms that oppress and privilege students, can give those who work in the field of mathematics education specific ideas of how to better combat racist structures,” writes Battey and his co-author Luis Leyva, of Vanderbilt University’s Peabody College of Education.

One example of whiteness explored in the paper is how the relentless drumbeat from researchers about racial differences in math achievement is linked to racially differential treatment in math classrooms. The concept of racial hierarchy of mathematical ability—a term coined by Danny Martin, education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago—basically says constantly reading and hearing about underperforming black, Latino, and indigenous students begins to embed itself into how math teachers view these students, attributing achievement differences to their innate ability to succeed in math.

yes and absolutely! This is exactly why CRT is such toxic piles of steaming shit and needs to be eradicated from school! Instead what do we get? acceptance that we need different tables and people need to realize they can never perform That isn't "white supremacy" that is communist sympathizer lowered expectation participation trophy bullshit!

In practice, whiteness can create a self-fulfilling prophecy, Battey said, where some children receive rote, basic mathematics—counting apples and brownies, and completing worksheets—while other children are given rich problem-solving tasks.

if a public school teacher is teaching the same class at the same time and handing out different worksheets to students based solely on their race, that teacher needs to be fired and probably the whole staff. flat out. obviously that isn't the case with our D rated AP student above

Benjamin-Ficken, whose high-school experience challenged her confidence as a math student, is now a math specialist at Anishinabe Academy, a Minneapolis public school focused on using Native language and culture to support academics for urban indigenous students. A self-described math nerd, her teaching philosophy is grounded in breaking down the negative thoughts and ideas her students hold about mathematics. “If they want to choose this as a career, it's possible, [and] even if they don't … they can still think mathematically. A huge goal of mine is to build up that identity.”

well gee, I guess she figured out how to do the maths and just maybe it wasn't her race holding her back at all. maybe it was her reliance on a single other student and refusal to engage outside her tiny circle hell, maybe she needed to fail to realize she needed to study more on her own

But she’s also constrained by the institutional aspects of whiteness in her classroom that exist outside her teaching methods—not simply the how of teaching, but what the state standards value. She and her students share a culture that isn’t reflected in the way she’s expected to teach math. Required to rely on what she calls a “western white lens,” other sources of math knowledge that would be relevant to her students remain untapped. “What are the theorems that we have known here in America before colonization? What indigenous mathematicians have we had? We’re not a written society, so we don't have these books that say, ‘Here’s this Ojibwe person’s knowledge.’ It’s not the fact that I’m teaching this theorem … it’s what else can we highlight in our own community, in our own history here in Minnesota?”

I can guran-fucking-tee that Trig and Cal weren't in America with the Ojibawe

non-writing languages don't transfer complex information well, that's just a fact.

While acknowledging its contributions, Bullock still questioned a core principle: In scrutinizing whiteness, had the paper skirted the idea of anti-blackness? By definition, she said, whiteness and anti-blackness might appear to mean the same thing. But the terms can mask distinctions, she noted. To illustrate, Bullock applied a critical race-theory lens to the paper’s findings—for example, how the conclusions on racial stereotypes might be viewed differently if the measure wasn’t the dominant positioning of white students (whiteness) but how the test is racially biased (anti-blackness). “I think it centers white [people] in a way, even as you’re thinking about interrogating whiteness,” she said. “A framework for whiteness necessitates a discussion of anti-blackness. To operate in anti-blackness [is] a very different thing.”

fuck critical race theory, it falls on it's face at every level. the test of counting apples or measuring triangles is not in the least concerned about your skin color or home life.

it's kind of the article to pose the question and never answer or address it "what if this is just anti-blackness?" and go no further. no reason to expand, because there is nothing to expand to.

 

[SomeGuy]

@Provience yup, it's just absurd the whole concept. Although at least that article goes a little further trying to justify the shit.

 

[Ebs]

I'm sorry the bridge collapsed because the calculations were wrong, but let me show you how I got them.

 

[Provience]

so i'm home now, and pulled up the referenced article pdf in the first post 🤣

Center EthnoMathmatics

Recognize the ways that communities of color engage in mathematics and problem solving in their everyday lives.
• Teach that mathematics can help solve problems affecting students’ communities. Model the use of math as a solution to their immediate problems, needs, or desires.

• Identify and challenge the ways that math is used to uphold capitalist, imperialist, and racist views.

• Teach the value of math as both an abstract concept and as a useful everyday tool.
• Expose students to examples of people who have used math as resistance. Provide learning opportunities that use math as resistance.

if anybody tries to tell you that CRT is not entirely a communist plot to destroy capitalism, check out the bold line. How in the ever loving fuck does MATH uphold capitalism and why does a MATH teacher need to challenge that notion? You stupid fucking commies use math as well

 

[rockota]

What’s an “urban indigenous student?”

 

[Provience]

What’s an “urban indigenous student?”

somebody born in a city?

 

[Yota Up]

calculus 1 by the 7th grade

Don't need to lie to kick it, homey.

But go ahead and tell us what exact math class you had in each grade, year by year, up to and including calc...

 

[Provience]

Don't need to lie to kick it, homey.

But go ahead and tell us what exact math class you had in each grade, year by year, up to and including calc...

Hell i took Statistics in high school so that i wouldn't have to take pre-trig or pre-calc or anything too "mathy" and i'm pretty sure i got a D in "business calc" in college.

I like math, i enjoy math, i use math everyday and poorly taught myself basic trig but holy hell do i despise school learning I couldn't imagine trying to go through and learn with the newer common core stuff and i'd probably get in a fist fight with a teacher over this bullshit "anti-racist" math

 

[SomeGuy]

Hell i took Statistics in high school so that i wouldn't have to take pre-trig or pre-calc or anything too "mathy" and i'm pretty sure i got a D in "business calc" in college.

I like math, i enjoy math, i use math everyday and poorly taught myself basic trig but holy hell do i despise school learning I couldn't imagine trying to go through and learn with the newer common core stuff and i'd probably get in a fist fight with a teacher over this bullshit "anti-racist" math

Weak....

I have a minor in mathematics which means I did more than just intro level courses in university (e.g. advanced calc, linear, discrete, etc.) hell in high school I was doing proper calculus...the racist math angers me substantially.

 

[Provience]

Weak....

I have a minor in mathematics which means I did more than just intro level courses in university (e.g. advanced calc, linear, discrete, etc.) hell in high school I was doing proper calculus...the racist math angers me substantially.

oh certainly, i'm extremely weak on my maths i just barely passed school at pretty much every level, i really really don't like it

that's why in college my focus was always taxes and accounting. my dad got ripped off (criminal theft) by his accountant when i was in 8th grade or so, figured i needed to learn about that stuff and taxes are pretty close to math, but not really

i don't disagree that teachers aren't all amazing, but yeah this racist math stuff (which has 25 key supports, most of them CA School Districts and CA STEM programs of all silly things) it so incredibly damaging that it really is going to make things worse, way worse, especially with outcome based metrics.

i really hope it doesn't last for more than a year or two, but there is no chance of that happening.

 

[Yota Up]

The common core stuff goes away when kids reach true Algebra. No room for that crap when it comes to real math. Last time my kid had to deal with trash common core math was elementary school. Thank goodness that's over.

But Ovrez above, claiming to have done Alg, Geo, and Calc by 7th grade? Complete bullshit.

 

[SomeGuy]

The common core stuff goes away when kids reach true Algebra. No room for that crap when it comes to real math. Last time my kid had to deal with trash common core math was elementary school. Thank goodness that's over.

But Ovrez above, claiming to have done Alg, Geo, and Calc by 7th grade? Complete bullshit.

By grade 7 you might do an x + 3 = 7 and solve for x sort of algebra...but that's about it. Mostly it's BEDMAS, fractions/decimals, area of shapes, etc.

 

[Yota Up]

Grade 7 currently offers Algebra with linear equations, parabolas, and detailed exponent equations. Quadratic equations, etc, etc. It's not just x + 3 = 7. I think that's the fake wannabe Algebra they touch on during elementary school. Far as I know, no elementary schools offers legit Algebra, let alone Geometry or Algebra 2/Trig, PreCalc, etc. That's why his claim above about having done full on Calc by 7th grade just can't be sold. Earliest would be 9th grade, assuming Alg at 7th, Geo at 8th, summer school at college to take Alg2/trig, which lets you skip preCalc to take real Calc in 9th grade. That was my trajectory, but I couldn't afford the summer school at college.

 

[Provience]

Grade 7 currently offers Algebra with linear equations, parabolas, and detailed exponent equations. Quadratic equations, etc, etc. It's not just x + 3 = 7. I think that's the fake wannabe Algebra they touch on during elementary school. Far as I know, no elementary schools offers legit Algebra, let alone Geometry or Algebra 2/Trig, PreCalc, etc. That's why his claim above about having done full on Calc by 7th grade just can't be sold. Earliest would be 9th grade, assuming Alg at 7th, Geo at 8th, summer school at college to take Alg2/trig, which lets you skip preCalc to take real Calc in 9th grade. That was my trajectory, but I couldn't afford the summer school at college.

eh, i went to school with a gal that graduated high school in 1 year, which should have been 7th grade for her, and entered Cal Poly at about the age that most kids enter high school. there's plenty ways around things.

 

[Ksand]

What in the ever living fuck is racist about showing how you got to the answer when solving a math problem?

Because racism is just a sentence enhancer now and is used as an excuse for someone's shortcomings

 

[Yota Up]

eh, i went to school with a gal that graduated high school in 1 year, which should have been 7th grade for her, and entered Cal Poly at about the age that most kids enter high school. there's plenty ways around things.

"around" isn't doing it. It's simply impossible to complete all the total subject for 4 years of high school in one year. Can't be done. She did not do a full year of Alg, full year of Geo, full year of Alg2/Trig, full year of Calc, in that one single year. In addition to a full year of Chemistry, Biology, US history, World history, etc, etc. Each of those classes is a full year and it's impossible to do all those years in one year.

You're talking about a watered down course, that is sped up and does NOT cover all the aspects of each subjects the way a full year class does. They spend one month on something, geared only to taking the test and checking the "done" box. After she's done with her "1 year", I guarantee she's a deer in the headlights if asked any specific questions that the full year courses cover. She only memorized how to take the test and pass it. Big difference.

So for taking real classes, full year classes, and accelerating them to the max, you're looking at 9th grade for Calc. Anyone that thinks they did more before then and I'd love to sit down with them and throw some questions at them to see if they can answer.

 

[Provience]

"around" isn't doing it. It's simply impossible to complete all the total subject for 4 years of high school in one year. Can't be done. She did not do a full year of Alg, full year of Geo, full year of Alg2/Trig, full year of Calc, in that one single year. In addition to a full year of Chemistry, Biology, US history, World history, etc, etc. Each of those classes is a full year and it's impossible to do all those years in one year.

You're talking about a watered down course, that is sped up and does NOT cover all the aspects of each subjects the way a full year class does. They spend one month on something, geared only to taking the test and checking the "done" box. After she's done with her "1 year", I guarantee she's a deer in the headlights if asked any specific questions that the full year courses cover. She only memorized how to take the test and pass it. Big difference.

So for taking real classes, full year classes, and accelerating them to the max, you're looking at 9th grade for Calc. Anyone that thinks they did more before then and I'd love to sit down with them and throw some questions at them to see if they can answer.

i wouldn't say she completed a full 4 years in 1 year, but she did complete a full 4 years worth of exams in 1 year. and she was certainly as close to 24/7 focused on studies in addition to being smart in every regard as well.

point is, school is a scam, the tests are all that matters, nobody learns shit anyways and nobody cares about the in between time. if you don't bother to continue your use whatever subject, you'll need a refresher on it anyways

how many hours are in a "full year" class anyways? 12 weeks at 1 or 3 hours a week? with review time and general waste mixed in, it really isn't that much if you were to dedicate and condense the course material into a short period.

 

[evernoob]

it's kind of the article to pose the question and never answer or address it "what if this is just anti-blackness?" and go no further. no reason to expand, because there is nothing to expand to.

Academic feminism is like that to the nth. I use a lot of words, but that's because I'm a shitty writer with no editor. Academic marxism demands extreme verbage and maximum lexicon. I've never looked into Noam Chomsky's linguistics, I have to look into him. They get into the language and start dictating what things mean, and they've trained us in this for decades.

Bottom line is, McCarthy did nothing wrong except make it about his ambitions. If only he had not gone crazy, the anti-Communism would have continued. We need a new House Un-American Activities Committee, bigtime, in a big way.

If Capitalists were really conservative, they would fund this.

And how does the most successful Capitalist of all end up funding this type of poison being injected into education? What is the fucking angle on that shit?

 

[Provience]

Academic feminism is like that to the nth. I use a lot of words, but that's because I'm a shitty writer with no editor. Academic marxism demands extreme verbage and maximum lexicon. I've never looked into Noam Chomsky's linguistics, I have to look into him. They get into the language and start dictating what things mean, and they've trained us in this for decades.

Bottom line is, McCarthy did nothing wrong except make it about his ambitions. If only he had not gone crazy, the anti-Communism would have continued. We need a new House Un-American Activities Committee, bigtime, in a big way.

If Capitalists were really conservative, they would fund this.

And how does the most successful Capitalist of all end up funding this type of poison being injected into education? What is the fucking angle on that shit?

we had a white house EO created anti-un-american group, but it was swept away with a pen before it could have an impact :(

of course the mos successful capitalist country funds this stuff, nobody else can afford the liberty of it all

"bah, capitalism is so bad that every decade it reaches a new high and surely that must be the final one!"

 

[Yota Up]

It doesn't take much to pass the GED.

 

[Ovrez]

But Ovrez above, claiming to have done Alg, Geo, and Calc by 7th grade? Complete bullshit.

it was not hard to do at all I had to do was apply myself
and there was always that threat of an ass beating if i got anything less than a B
I had enough credits by 10th grade in 1971 to graduate HS
not my problem you were not born with intelligence

Far as I know, no elementary schools offers legit Algebra, let alone Geometry or Algebra 2/Trig, PreCalc, etc.

I always wondered why they never told the underachievers what the intelligent kids did
I am positive that your schools were not like mine

 

[Swayzeexpress]

I sucked at basketball my whole life, just don't care or get it. It's way more racist than math. 10' tall baskets? Wtf I get the whole race thing now

 

[Johann]

oh certainly, i'm extremely weak on my maths i just barely passed school at pretty much every level, i really really don't like it

Same here. One of the reasons I have a History degree!

Maybe I need to do a 23 and me test to see if there is a reason, uh excuse, at why I am bad at math...