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Marvin Heemeyer and the Killdozer

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The documentary, Tread, is on Netflix. Although I'm glad nobody got killed (besides Marv), the whole thing is kind of bad-ass in a demented way. Double 1/2" plate with concrete pored in between for armor. They had no way to stop it.

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If god was really on Marv's side he would of had him build a better cooling system.
Cody Docheff"s kid was our Corwell Tools guy ,the doc is pretty accurate as to what Frank told us happened. He said it was kinda funny at first when Marv drove thru the muffler shop and here's this big dozer and be boopen behind it is the welder that got ripped out of the wall with the leads ran thru a pipe so Marv could weld him self in.
 
I just turned that on (thanks for the suggestion!), watched the intro footage and the TREADS logo, and my 11yo daughter piped up "I know who that's about! The 'Don't tread on me!" guy!" :grinpimp:
 
I recall the trailer and discussion for this, and didn't the show pin him as a lunatic. Like, what he did was all in the wrong etc. Not wording it right, but the made him out to be the bad guy. That's what I was reading.

I'll have to see if I can find this somewhere and check it out.
 
I remember hearing the story when it happened. Early 2000's right? He had beef with someone there and he thought everyone in the town was intentionally trying to F him over so he armored up a Komatsu and leveled the town.

Good dude. Need someone like him in downtown Portland right now.
 
Fishnbeer said:
I remember hearing the story when it happened. Early 2000's right? He had beef with someone there and he thought everyone in the town was intentionally trying to F him over so he armored up a Komatsu and leveled the town.

Good dude. Need someone like him in downtown Portland right now.
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Something about building permits, a cement business, and a sewer line. That's all I remember.
 
woods said:
I recall the trailer and discussion for this, and didn't the show pin him as a lunatic. Like, what he did was all in the wrong etc. Not wording it right, but the made him out to be the bad guy. That's what I was reading.

I'll have to see if I can find this somewhere and check it out.
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i watched it a couple months ago, and from what i remember they showed him as a regular cool guy, and showed the people and circumstances that drove him off the deep end
 
It's crazy to me how we can all look at the same information and come away with so drastically different conclusions. Evernoob thinks Heeymeyer was the villain and had no cause to even be upset. I see a town trying to push a guy around who wasn't going to be pushed around. Dude tried to fight local corruption and lost the legal battle. So he took matters into his own hands. I just listened to a podcast on this on my way to work this morning. The liberal host glosses over some details he considers of no consequence that I consider pretty important to the story. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I understand Heeymeyer's frustration. Liberal host says Heeymeyer should have just walked away and gave up on his dream, I don't see anything wrong with fighting it all the way to the end.
 
JR4X said:
It's crazy to me how we can all look at the same information and come away with so drastically different conclusions. Evernoob thinks Heeymeyer was the villain and had no cause to even be upset. I see a town trying to push a guy around who wasn't going to be pushed around. Dude tried to fight local corruption and lost the legal battle. So he took matters into his own hands. I just listened to a podcast on this on my way to work this morning. The liberal host glosses over some details he considers of no consequence that I consider pretty important to the story. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I understand Heeymeyer's frustration. Liberal host says Heeymeyer should have just walked away and gave up on his dream, I don't see anything wrong with fighting it all the way to the end.
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It is one of the most amazing things to me how two people can get the same facts and have such vastly differing opinions on stuff like that. In that same vein, I heard some promos for a podcast that sounded really cool. They take supreme court decisions that came down to 5 to 4 and discuss the merits of the case. I thought it sounded cool because I was assuming there would be some balanced view of it arguing both sides. Not at all. I couldn't get through the first one. All 3 of the lawyers were competing over who was the most left. It made me want to do the same concept with a right, a left, and an independent or some more balanced group.
 
ExWrench said:
If you want to hear Marvin's thoughts from Marvin, mp3s of his journal tapes are available here:
https://www.skyhinews.com/in-depth/b...ded-manifesto/
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I've listened to those before, difficult to sit thru. That corrupt town fucked him hard, pushed him over the edge for sure.

It's a shame people don't take a stand more often. It might bring the truth into the light, instant karma like.
 
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Firstram said:
I've listened to those before, difficult to sit thru. That corrupt town fucked him hard, pushed him over the edge for sure.

It's a shame people don't take a stand more often. It might bring the truth into the light, instant karma like.
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Yep.
The Wikipedia article on him is definitely "sanitized", making it look like the town had clean hands :rolleyes:
History is written by the victors, and the Wiki article is written by . . . dipshits :laughing:
 
Fishnbeer said:
I remember hearing the story when it happened. Early 2000's right? He had beef with someone there and he thought everyone in the town was intentionally trying to F him over so he armored up a Komatsu and leveled the town.

Good dude. Need someone like him in downtown Portland right now.
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tl;dr version is he had a muffler shop that the city kept fucking with trying to get him to close for the land iirc. They kept cutting off physical access, utilities, ect. I believe he did everything by the book until he ran out of money and basically lost everything trying to fight the city to keep his business.

They pushed the wrong guy to the limit. He could have snapped and killed a bunch of people, but instead he just plowed over everyone's home and businesses that were involved and didn't fuck with anyone that didn't fuck with him.

I don't blame the guy a bit. You can only push and take shit from people for so long before they react.
 
Motorcharge said:
tl;dr version is he had a muffler shop that the city kept fucking with trying to get him to close for the land iirc. They kept cutting off physical access, utilities, ect. I believe he did everything by the book until he ran out of money and basically lost everything trying to fight the city to keep his business.

They pushed the wrong guy to the limit. He could have snapped and killed a bunch of people, but instead he just plowed over everyone's home and businesses that were involved and didn't fuck with anyone that didn't fuck with him.

I don't blame the guy a bit. You can only push and take shit from people for so long before they react.
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Huh. I thought there was something about a concrete business or job that went sour. :confused:

edit: yea, the wiki has something about it. never really sat down and read about the guy.
 
Motorcharge said:
He could have snapped and killed a bunch of people, but instead he just plowed over everyone's home and businesses
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He really gets a lot of points for this. That difference makes him a hero, not a mass-murderer.

It's just sad that he didn't feel he could walk away afterword.
 
woods said:
Huh. I thought there was something about a concrete business or job that went sour. :confused:

edit: yea, the wiki has something about it. never really sat down and read about the guy.
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There's a lot of bullshit to sift through now. Most coverage on it paints him as a lunatic who threw a tantrum, but that wasn't the reality of it. The wiki page has been edited so much that it's full of shit and not even worth reading.

Someone else linked it, but the guy wrote out what he planned on doing and why he did it. It's worth reading.

The concrete thing was a plant they were trying to build and that's what the city was using to fuck with the guy. The plant construction blocked physical access to his shop, then they disconnected him from the city sewer line and started fining him out the ass for it when he refused to purchase a septic tank. Most sources now, including the wikipedia page intentionally conveniently leave out the fact that they city intentionally disconnected him to try to bankrupt him through fines. He gets painted as a lunatic who snapped because he wouldn't pay.
 
JR4X said:
It's crazy to me how we can all look at the same information and come away with so drastically different conclusions. Evernoob thinks Heeymeyer was the villain and had no cause to even be upset. I see a town trying to push a guy around who wasn't going to be pushed around. Dude tried to fight local corruption and lost the legal battle. So he took matters into his own hands. I just listened to a podcast on this on my way to work this morning. The liberal host glosses over some details he considers of no consequence that I consider pretty important to the story. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I understand Heeymeyer's frustration. Liberal host says Heeymeyer should have just walked away and gave up on his dream, I don't see anything wrong with fighting it all the way to the end.
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They are both wrong. Heeymeyer had an out when the Cement company offered to buy his piece of crap landlocked junk for a reasonable price. He then accepted. He then declined, and multiplied his demand several times, which couldn't be paid.

There is no question the town rather wanted the cement company rather than his muffler shop. He had an out, and the out was literally better for a muffler shop. Everyone would have been ahead had he taken the out, including himself.

If he hadn't queered the proceedings MULTIPLE times, I would 100% be on his side.

Unfortunately, you look into it a bit, and he was just an asshole.

He also used 'muh Gawd destined me for this' excuse, as I don't believe he was crazy. He was just a belligerent asshole.

If only the Killdozer had been the product of a more Righteous cause.
 
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