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Major Bridge in Baltimore Collapses After Being Struck by Cargo Ship

Texas97 said:
we all have. thats not the same as a what im describing.

you dont need to swing a knife, just press it up against the glass and it will shatter. you need to give it pressure, but it will break, especially door glass.

go to 1:40 in the video. its basically a spring loaded punch, which is what the starret auto punch is.

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Of course here in AZ everyone has their windows tinted, so that makes things more complicated. Good thing it's a desert. Only open water bridges I can think of cross the Colorado, and it's usually ankle deep.:laughing:
 
bgaidan said:
A window doesn't stand a chance against one of the spring loaded breakers.
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Yup, carried one in my bunker pants for years.

Texas97 said:
we all have. thats not the same as a what im describing.

you dont need to swing a knife, just press it up against the glass and it will shatter. you need to give it pressure, but it will break, especially door glass.

go to 1:40 in the video. its basically a spring loaded punch, which is what the starret auto punch is.

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Are you referring to a pocket knife or spring loaded punch?
 
This has probably been covered, so I appologize if I'm being redundant, but was a harbor pilot running the ship, or the captain?

I've always heard harbor pilots have a ton of responsibility but no accountability, as the accountability is maintained by the captain.

I imagine that isn't totally accurate, but I bet we are going to see.
 
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Quick action of workers on Baltimore bridge 'saved a lot of lives’, Maryland gov. says · American Wire News

Maryland Gov. Wes Moore thanked the "heroes" who saved many lives by shutting down the Francis Scott Key Bridge as a mayday call came in
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Quick action of workers on Baltimore bridge ‘saved a lot of lives’, Maryland gov. says​

March 26, 2024

The cargo ship that collided into the Francis Scott Key Bridge reportedly issued a “mayday” call moments before the tragic disaster and quick actions that followed may have saved many lives.

Maryland Gov. Wes Moore explained how authorities “saved lots of lives” when they quickly acted to shut down the 1.6-mile span of the bridge over the Patapsco River.


“The ship issued a mayday loss of power. The workers on the bridge halted traffic right before impact. They saved lots of lives,” he said at a press conference Tuesday.

“We’re thankful that between the ‘mayday’ and collapse that-that we had officials who were able to, to begin to stop the flow of traffic so more cars were not up on the bridge,” Moore said. “These people are heroes.”


The governor said he was “in awe” of first responders for their “courage” and praised continuing search and rescue efforts.


First responders have rescued two people though some still remain missing after vehicles plummeted into the river when the impact took down the bridge.

The governor said the Dali, a Singapore-flagged container ship, was traveling at a “very rapid speed” when it issued its distress call.

Paul Wiedefeld, secretary of the Maryland Transportation Authority, confirmed that construction crews were working on part of the bridge when the collision happened.
 
grumpy356 said:
This has probably been covered, so I appologize if I'm being redundant, but was a harbor pilot running the ship, or the captain?

I've always heard harbor pilots have a ton of responsibility but no accountability, as the accountability is maintained by the captain.

I imagine that isn't totally accurate, but I bet we are going to see.
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Pilot was onboard.
 
Do big cargo ships only have 1 engine?
 
JD Mark said:
Yup, carried one in my bunker pants for years.



Are you referring to a pocket knife or spring loaded punch?
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both. its the same concept.

quick Google search says the punch can deliver 15 to 31 lbs of force. convert that into pressure using the tip diameter and then compare that to a knife tip pressure. surely you can press a knife into a window with 20-30 lbs of force??


this isn't that hard. stop being obtuse
 
BIG-O said:
Do big cargo ships only have 1 engine?
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First video I posted guy said there is generally one for propulsion, one for emergency power ( lights blinking on and off) and one for bow thruster, but at the speed they were going it would have been usless.
 
Texas97 said:
both. its the same concept.

quick Google search says the punch can deliver 15 to 31 lbs of force. convert that into pressure using the tip diameter and then compare that to a knife tip pressure. surely you can press a knife into a window with 20-30 lbs of force??


this isn't that hard. stop being obtuse
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Not being obtuse, I've never seen it or heard of it working before.

Because it would seem to me that a good swing of an axe or halligan would have that much pressure.

Next time I have to break a window I'll give it a shot. Might be awhile, I retired several years back.
 
We had a bridge on I-5 over here collapse after someone with a oversized load hit it

it reallllllly messed things up

For those that live anywhere near there, this will suck for a while
 
Texas97 said:
both. its the same concept.

quick Google search says the punch can deliver 15 to 31 lbs of force. convert that into pressure using the tip diameter and then compare that to a knife tip pressure. surely you can press a knife into a window with 20-30 lbs of force??


this isn't that hard. stop being obtuse
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UPDATE: NTSB Holds Briefing on Baltimore Bridge Collapse, Survivor Released From Hospital

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UPDATE: NTSB Holds Briefing on Baltimore Bridge Collapse, Survivor Released From Hospital​

By Jennifer Van Laar | 3:03 PM on March 26, 2024

UPDATE, 3:00 PM EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME

Jennifer Homendy, NTSB Chair, held a briefing at the site of the Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore. She announced that she would not be sharing information related to fatalities and injuries or taking questions on that matter since that is not NTSB’s area of responsibility and referred journalists to local authorities for that information. She did say, however, that “search and rescue is still underway, so we are very hopeful.”

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The NTSB’s 24-person team arrived on the scene at 6 AM Eastern but are “standing back” to allow search and rescue operations to continue. “We chose not to board the vessel today to allow time for search and rescue, which we did not want to interfere with,” Homendy said, adding that at this time the NTSB is gathering information for their investigation from the command post.

The NTSB’s team includes experts in nautical operations, human performance, survival factors, and structural engineering. The NTSB team is working on obtaining recorders, including a voyage data recorder from the ship. When asked about when and if the ship dropped anchor prior to the collision, Homendy said that they don't yet have enough information to comment on that. As reported in the prior press briefing, the ship issued a Mayday call in the minutes before the collision.

Homendy reported that she’s been in contact with her counterpart in Singapore and said that a team from Singapore will be coming to Baltimore to assist in the investigation.

Immediately after the NSB briefing, Fox News reported that the individual who'd been rescued and hospitalized has now been released from the hospital.

UPDATE, 10:10 AM EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME

Baltimore and Maryland officials hosted another press conference shortly before 10:00 am Eastern Tuesday morning, with a couple of key points:

  • The construction crew was on the bridge repairing potholes, not performing structural work.
  • Per Maryland Governor Wes Moore, the bridge was fully up to code.
  • Per the FBI Special Agent in charge of the Baltimore Field Office, Bill DelBagno, there is no specific or credible information regarding ties to terrorism.
  • Maryland Secretary of Transportation Paul Wiedefeld stated that six individuals involved in the construction work are unaccounted for. As noted earlier, two were rescued, with one refusing treatment and the other taken to the hospital.
  • According to Gov. Moore, the ship placed a Mayday call in time to prevent some traffic from entering the bridge.
  • Whether there were any additional vehicles/people on the bridge at the time of the collapse remains unclear.
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UPDATE, 6:45 AM EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME

Baltimore officials held a press conference to give updates on search and rescue efforts after the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge.

The first rescue units arrived on the scene 20 minutes after the collapse and were able to rescue two people immediately. One of the survivors was unharmed and refused transport to the hospital, while the other was taken to a trauma center and is in critical condition.

Baltimore City Fire Chief James Wallace said that the operation is still very much an active search-and-rescue effort and those efforts have not shifted to recovery. At the time of the briefing, Wallace said they are looking for "upwards of seven" people in the water, but stressed that the number is based on current information and that number is fluid.

Wallace said that multiple air assets from the Maryland State Police and the Baltimore Police Department were among those searching, and multiple marine assets from agencies in the region are involved. SONAR, underwater UAVs, and infrared technology are being utilized both from the air and from the water surface to attempt to locate people in the water.

Chief Wallace said that sonar has detected the presence of vehicles submerged in the water, but he does not have a definite number of vehicles in the water. He has heard reports that there was construction work occurring on the bridge at the time of the collapse but they have not confirmed that.

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Over the next 8 to 12 hours, Wallace said, officials will be able to board the ship and assess the damage to the ship and the ability to move it, and speak to the crew members about what happened in the moments before the crash. The ship's crew members are still on the ship. Officials say there is no evidence of fuel leaking from the ship at this time.

UPDATE, 6:00 AM EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME

A State of Emergency has been declared in Maryland as the state "attempts to assess and respond to the tragedy," and Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg tweeted that he had already spoken to Gov. Wes Moore and Mayor Brandon Scott and offered federal support.


The New York Times is reporting that the owners of the ship that hit the bridge, the Singapore-flagged Dali, "confirmed in an emailed statement that the vessel had hit one of the pillars of the Francis Scott Key Bridge around 1:30 a.m. Eastern. All crew members, including two pilots onboard, were accounted for and there were no injuries on the ship," and that the owners say they and the vessel's managers are cooperating with authorities.


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Baltimore Fire Department authorities told CNN that it appeared that construction workers were on the bridge at the time it collapsed; that could be what the number of individuals potentially in the water is based on.

Fox News is reporting that local officials are saying that the accident scene isn't safe for rescue workers due to cargo hanging from the bridge.

A news conference was originally set for 5:45 AM, but has been moved to 6:15 AM Eastern.

Baltimore news station WBAL's livestream can be found here: WBAL-TV Nowcast

UPDATE, 4:45 AM EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME

Kevin Cartwright with the Baltimore Fire Department provided an update to CNN, saying, "We understand that there was up to 20 individuals who may be in the Patapsco River right now, as well as multiple vehicles. We have a mass casualty, multi-agency incident underway." Dive teams from the BFD and other agencies are in the water searching for those people.

The bridge collapsed on top of the ship. Cartrwright said that the US Coast Guard is "in the process of establishing contact with the vessel" to determine how many injured people are on that ship and more about what type of cargo was on the ship and any mechanical issues that might have occurred before the collision.


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Cartwright said that the air temperature at the time of his update was around 30 degrees.

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ORIGINAL STORY

The Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, Maryland collapsed after a large container ship crashed into one of its supports just before 1:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time. An unknown number of vehicles and possibly a tractor-trailer went into the Patapsco River as a result of the collapse. As of 3 AM Baltimore time, officials were searching for seven people in the water.

The collapse, which happened almost immediately after the collision, was captured by the bridge's live cam.


The live cam footage isn't extremely clear, but it looks like there could have been an explosion when the ship struck the bridge support.

From the Baltimore Sun:

A spokesperson for the Baltimore City Fire Department said a major rescue operation was underway with all lanes closed and with all traffic being rerouted from the steel bridge that is part of Interstate 695.
“The entire bridge collapsed into the Patapsco River,” said Kevin Cartwright, the director of communications for the Baltimore Fire Department.
“We have reason to believe that there were vehicles and possibly a tractor-trailer” that went into the water, Cartwright said.
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People living near the bridge also caught the tragedy on video.


According to Rawsalerts, the ship is the Singapore-flagged Dali.


Baltimore Fire Department's Cartwright told Fox News, "This is a dire emergency....Our focus right now is trying to rescue and recover these people," Cartwright said, calling the collapse a "developing mass casualty event."


This is a developing story; we will provide more updates as they become available
 
TRINDU said:
All about political influence and money.

Then contractors taking draws. Waiting till the absolute last minute to finish a stage, the fuck off to another site to take that draw.

When the government is involved, all bets are off.
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Gov't was involved in the 35w bridge... so I'm not following your point. :confused:
 
bgaidan said:
Fuck. You can see all the construction vehicles on the center span. :eek:
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According to one report, the ship called in an SOS and the hwy patrol (?) was able to shut down traffic on the bridge in time. That's supposedly why you see traffic in the video that disappears before impact.
 
SomeGuyFromOlympia said:
We had a bridge on I-5 over here collapse after someone with a oversized load hit it

it reallllllly messed things up

For those that live anywhere near there, this will suck for a while
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If you look at our history up here, we don't have the greatest track record with bridges.

I90 floating bridge sinking.
Hood cancel floating bridge sinking
Galloping Gurdy.
 
Jwredneck said:
If you look at our history up here, we don't have the greatest track record with bridges.

I90 floating bridge sinking.
Hood cancel floating bridge sinking
Galloping Gurdy.
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I want to say there was one more too
.....but that ship whacking that thing is pretty impressive
 
Jwredneck said:
If you look at our history up here, we don't have the greatest track record with bridges.

I90 floating bridge sinking.
Hood cancel floating bridge sinking
Galloping Gurdy.
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West Seattle bridge was shut down for safety concerns as well.

My little town up the road has scheduled (before this) bridge inspection work leading to and from town. :eek: Makes me wonder.
 
For the tin foils out there, this was put out a month ago.
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Executive Order on Amending Regulations Relating to the Safeguarding of Vessels, Harbors, Ports, and Waterfront Facilities of the United States | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of title II of the Act of June 15, 1917, as amended (46 U.S.C. 70051) (the “Act”), and in addition to the finding in Executive Order 10173 of October 18, 1950,…
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Penetrode Offroad said:
West Seattle bridge was shut down for safety concerns as well.

My little town up the road has scheduled (before this) bridge inspection work leading to and from town. :eek: Makes me wonder.
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Forgot the West Seattle.

My grandfather worked bridge inspection for King County in the 80's and 90's. I remember as I kid my parents would avoid certain bridges my grandpa said we're sketchy.
 
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