chaplinfj60
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omg brave you are.......Done it 3 times now with a janky HF/princess auto trans attachment on my 3 ton jack... On my back. Fucking hate it. With the doubler attached makes it even worse.
omg brave you are.......Done it 3 times now with a janky HF/princess auto trans attachment on my 3 ton jack... On my back. Fucking hate it. With the doubler attached makes it even worse.
omg brave you are.......
Haha only dropped it once... Fell over. Luckily no dmg to case or output.omg brave you are.......
I'll make a promise to the people in this thread prior to this message and have been burned by MMW.He didn't make any promises hence why he said hes building a fucking inventory first.
I'll make a promise to the people in this thread prior to this message and have been burned by MMW.
Once our Magnitude transfer cases are available to order anyone that contacts me to order via messenger on Irate4x4 and can show proof they were screwed by MMW along with being a paying member of this forum will receive something free when they order a transfer case from my company. I'm not sure what the free item will be yet, I'm thinking (hoodie, hat, some sort of swag, maybe something you couldn't otherwise get). This offer will be single-use per user and only if requested while ordering.
Less is a perspective. In the case of the Total Metal Innovations Magnitude 205 it is quite a bit shorter than the Atlas, MUCH larger gears, shifts better, billet vs cast case, with in lbs of the same weight as an Atlas 2. The Magnitude 300 is slightly plus or minus the strength of an Atlas and significantly smaller. So what is the advantage of an Atlas?I get the desire to have an alternative to an Atlas because they’re expensive. What I don’t get, is having less transfer case for more money. An opted out Atlas II is $3300 with shifters. What are you getting in a D300 for $3,900 dollars that would make one even consider doing that? Y’all know that the gears and shafts inside of an atlas are bigger better than a D300 right?
This is from AA case builder right now. They’re delivering in 5 to 6 weeks right now. Randy Slawson often has them on the shelf and the last time he was trying to sell a couple he was asking $3K for them.
Less is a perspective. In the case of the Total Metal Innovations Magnitude 205 it is quite a bit shorter than the Atlas, MUCH larger gears, shifts better, billet vs cast case, with in lbs of the same weight as an Atlas 2. The Magnitude 300 is slightly plus or minus the strength of an Atlas and significantly smaller. So what is the advantage of an Atlas?
The photos below are of an Atlas and the Magnitude 205.
I never thought you were talking shit about what my company is doing.I’ve seen your pictures and sales pitches on line. Keep reading this thread, last post up before yours if you want to know what I publicly think about TMI, FYI for the record. Don’t want you to think I’m talking shit about you for one second.
Gearing: is the advantage. I don’t have much use for your available gear ratios personally while Advance Adapters and Phenom have you BURIED in gear ratios. You have what? Two ratios for the magnitude? 1.96 and 3.0? Now before I go any farther would you tell us all the actual cost of a complete Magnitude case with 3:1 gears 32 spline outputs and yokes. Any configuration you want, I want out the door cost. Let’s do the same with your D300. Total cost complete case with 4:1 gears 32 spline outputs and yokes.
I can find those costs myself but that’s not the point. Can you be honest with us… here… out in the open? Not hidden in private messages and emails?
I have a mmw 300 and just bought an atlas for the next phase. I’m done considering “boutique” vendors for transfercases. Stak,d&d, hero, mmw, first generation behemoth just to name a few that have came and gone with no customer support. That’s not what I want 10 years down the road.
Here’s some internet math for you, making all the assumptions necessary to figure this out.
A complete Lomax 205 case from JB conversions is $3395.
The diy Lomax 205 kit with just the case and gears is $1995.
$3395 - $1995 = $1400 so let’s say it takes $1400 in parts and labor plus a gear set and a case to build an all new np205.
TMI case is $2199, Lomax gears are $1595 plus the $1400 in everything else equals $5194 to build a TMI 205 with all new parts.
For comparison the pro series atlas with super finish gears and short 300m output comes out to $4070.
I’m very optimistic to your approach to business. I think empty cases makes the most sense. And I think if mmw would have stuck to that they would still be around. I wish you the best of luck. And if a 205 was available in 4:1 you would have gotten my consideration.Total Metal Innovations is not exactly new here! We have been building parts for off-road and local industries since 2011. Sure the Magnitude product line is newly released, and we were very aware we would have to dig ourselves out of a hole dug by other transfer case companies. We went into this knowing we faced an uphill battle.
This is why I have been careful to be 100% sure we were pacing ourselves with product releases and not allowing pre-sales, funding this new product line 100% out of my own pocket and company assets. Sure it would have been easier to take a bunch of pre-sales and use the pre-sale money to help fund the the new product development, material, etc.
The fact is there was a void in this market one that I fell into myself. We are attempting to fill this void with a line of new products. More options are good for the market, competition will ultimately benefit the off-road community.
Gearing options? I think that's the biggest advantage the Atlas has over a 205 based case. EDIT Late to the party...Less is a perspective. In the case of the Total Metal Innovations Magnitude 205 it is quite a bit shorter than the Atlas, MUCH larger gears, shifts better, billet vs cast case, with in lbs of the same weight as an Atlas 2. The Magnitude 300 is slightly plus or minus the strength of an Atlas and significantly smaller. So what is the advantage of an Atlas?
The photos below are of an Atlas and the Magnitude 205.
1:96 (2:1) and 3:1 for the 205.Gearing options? I think that's the biggest advantage the Atlas has over a 205 based case. EDIT Late to the party...
Sorry...you asked....1:96 (2:1) and 3:1 for the 205.
And I was replying, "Gearing options?"So what is the advantage of an Atlas?
Very likely some new gear options that will fit Magnitude 205 ONLY are in the works. ;-) but what do I know.Sorry...you asked....
And I was replying, "Gearing options?"
Sorry for the confusion.
That would be welcome news for the crawler crowd. :)Very likely some new gear options that will fit Magnitude 205 ONLY are in the works. ;-) but what do I know.
The crawler crowd doesn't really need a 205.. hence why tyler has his already selected gearing options. We already have atlas. The southeast boys and u4's will definitely benefit from the new 205.That would be welcome news for the crawler crowd. :)
I don't disagree with this...though it sounds like Tyler's already delved into the world of other 205 gearing options.On side note.. my thinking is its waste of resources for Tyler to try and compete with atlas market.. just as advanced did years ago giving jb the 300 market. I'd rather see a company offer a replacement case for all the broken 300's that reuse all the factory insides so they can continue to live in jeeple world. Offer a stronger than atlas case for the desert/bouncer/big truck crowd would be awesome. From what I can see looks like Tyler is on that path. I think building an entire 300 case will kill the 300 line.. I think you can cost effectively keep the 300 cases around for the purist crowd. My 10 cents.
I strongly disagree, the Tera gears had a different gear profile and were of reduced strength compared to the Lomax 4:1 gears.They are not.. you break the teeth on the middle shaft. Low max claim to fame was.. that shaft machined one piece vs friction welded like the Terra low was.. I've never seen or heard of that weld failing, it breaks the teeth. Atlas always has been and will be the upgrade for people breaking 300's. I'm not sure why that math has gone awry over the last few yrs. 300's live in portal cars and very very lightweight nonv8 buggies. The market needs the replacement case because when you wash that broken tooth through, it spreads and cracks the case. The low max gearset will fail in the same scenario as Terra gears even with the "20%" stronger claim.
No, but you're right in pointing out that 1.95 and 3:1 are probably fine.I totally understand and agree, can't control people and what they want especially in their hobbies. But yes my opinions are mine and mine alone. Some agree some don't. Either way I'll still live lol..
Like I said I've really r&d this and my bank account says they break the same lol. I do agree with the stock case deflection. The gears were still failing in the mmw cases as well. Nice thing with the biillet cases is you can fix your broken gearset. My info is real world experience on my end. Just adding my experiences to the conversation with actually breaking all this junk multiple times.
Never have I placed the 205 and the 300 anywhere near each other in strength.Food for some thought.. the atlas fits in pretty much anywhere the oem 300 lives, that was taken into consideration back in the day when designed. Was stronger than the 300.. almost as strong as 205. Previous replace cases for 300 were about the same dimensions as atlas case now. this 205 case is smaller than atlas but way stronger.. but this new 300 case is proclaimed as strong as 205.. essentially your 2 product lines are competing.. which is what AA figured out in the 90's when they dropped their 300 line..That is why atlas is still around... at least from where I'm sitting.
You thought 205s were much larger because the OEM cases are. The cases have a bunch of weird bosses and junk that make them bigger than they need to be. The magnitude 205 shape is clearly optimized.I'd always thought the 205 was much larger than the Atlas. To see it's shorter in height, means one could save that height in the belly of a car which would make the overall height of the vehicle (and the CoG) lower....and it looks to be over an inch, which is a big deal when you're dropping the whole drivetrain by that amount.
Tyler already touched on it but going to add. Part of the difference in height is the bottom cover on the atlas. For all ratios lower than 3:1 the difference in gear size necessitates pulling the center gear first before the input or output gears will be able to come out. I can’t see if TMI has a bottom cover but looks like no. A D300 with 4:1 gears works because the same reason. It has a bottom cover allowing the removal of the center gear first. If that TMI can fit any lower ratios, it’s going to have to have a way to get the center gear in lastly, and out firstly for assembly.No, but you're right in pointing out that 1.95 and 3:1 are probably fine.
I'd always thought the 205 was much larger than the Atlas. To see it's shorter in height, means one could save that height in the belly of a car which would make the overall height of the vehicle (and the CoG) lower....and it looks to be over an inch, which is a big deal when you're dropping the whole drivetrain by that amount.
For me (and just me personally) a 3:1 isn't low enough to really consider it though for my use case....but a 4:1 might be....or, if I had the room...a doubler would likely work really nicely...but a gearset wouldn't be required for that either. The draw to the 205 is the strength (obviously) even though I probably wouldn't need it...and I think that's the draw for most anyone looking at the option.