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mobil1syn said:
true, but the amount they are pumping is causing the aquifer to collapse and sink, plus im surprised they dont have a larger issue with salt water intrusion into the water table.

also keep in mind there is a TON of nitrate in the water from the fertilizers in that basin, they just drill deeper when it starts showing up in their water.
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There are issues with salt water intrusion near the ocean. What we really need around here is for the coastal commission to stop shooting down desal plants.
 
Sceep said:
You aren't of the mindset that that is just a saying, are you? :laughing:
They actually can already.
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Yeah but, then they wouldn't have to drive anywhere they could ride their bicycles and not pollute the air with anything more than their exhalation, and even that could be taxed! WIN WIN for the state.
Been to the state twice once with the folks to drop off a load of baby furniture in San Diego, asked the guy where we were unloading how far was the ocean from where we were, 3 blocks was his answer, I said so I could walk there, Nobody walks here was his reply!
The other time was electrical job concrete plant in Tehachapi, they didn't tell us the job was a time and materials contract, so we went in like we always did and instead of taking 8 weeks, we were finished in 4.
I just like poking fun at them because like Texans they act like there is no other states except them, where in NM we know there are because we can watch them drive through on there way
 
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Stingray said:
We had one, it was dangerous, :lmao::lmao:

Tree huggers closed it down.
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You mean Diablo canyon with the funky heat exchange system that could never get to full load generation and was built across the San Andreas fault? That facility? Folks that came up with the design and the developer that sold the land for the facility should have been sent to Pelican Bay after that debacle. Ditto the yahoos that built Platte facility in CO.
 
Harry Johnson said:
What part of california are you referring to? The farmland around here is far from worthless.
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That was an exaggeration, but for how much longer? Prices are based on expected yield. Without water, there will be no more consistent yields. The land value is then depressed (for farming, if it has other uses then it holds its value for those other uses).


www.latimes.com

Wells dry up, crops imperiled, farm workers in limbo as California drought grips San Joaquin Valley

As the San Joaquin Valley braces for yet another season of drought, some growers are openly questioning the future of farming here.
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“I’m proud of our family’s history in this part of the state,” said John Guthrie, president of the Tulare County Farm Bureau. “If not for that, I would seriously consider bowing out of this business.”

The cattle rancher and farm owner said his family has been working the land here for more than 150 years. However, he wonders how much longer that will continue.
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Even more frustrating, growers say, is a complex law passed in 2014 — during the last drought — that requires all groundwater taken from wells to match the amount of water returned to aquifers by 2040. Experts say meeting its requirements will mean taking about 1 million acres of farmland out of production statewide.
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Rest of the article is actually worth the read: Bad water management by the state forces small farmers out because they can't afford to keep re-drilling deeper wells and/or purchasing water rights, so they quit and sell to corporate farms that can do so. There was a rash of the same articles back in 2014, especially for ranchers back then. Once the family farmers are all gone, expect the water management to magically return to sanity and de-sal to happen, but I would not expect it before their objective is achieved.
 
bigun said:
once with the folks to drop off a load of baby furniture in San Diego, asked the guy where we were unloading how far was the ocean from where we were, 3 blocks was his answer, I said so I could walk there, Nobody walks here was his reply!
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You know how I know that dude didn't know what he was talking about? Parking fawking sucks at the beaches in San Diego. If you can walk 3 blocks to get there, you walk or skate or ride a bike or basically anything to avoid having to parking battle with all of east county descending on the beach on a sunny day.
 
Harry Johnson said:
You know how I know that dude didn't know what he was talking about? Parking fawking sucks at the beaches in San Diego. If you can walk 3 blocks to get there, you walk or skate or ride a bike or basically anything to avoid having to parking battle with all of east county descending on the beach on a sunny day.
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Yup, I was 5 blocks from the beach and rode a bike or walked. Fuck trying to find a parking spot down there.
 
Santa said:
And one outside Sacramento, Rancho Seco maybe? And the one on the coast down south. Oniforne or something like that.
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As far as California nuke plants, the only operational one left is Diablo Canyon, near San Luis Obispo.
Rancho Seco near Sacramento is shut down. Though operational, it was shut down due to voter referendum and environmental reasons.
San Onofre is also shut down, due to steam generator failure.
Humboldt Bay plant near Eureka is also shut down, due to costs associate with seismic upgrades. This was the smallest of all the California nukes rated at 63 mw.
 
Funny it's named Diablo Canyon when It's next to the Ocean. Just read it's slated to close in August 2025
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SanDiegoCJ said:
A desalination plant was planned for near San Diego (Carlsbad) and ran into a mega-shit-ton of eco-nazi opposition. It seems the major
problem is what to do with the salt slurry that's left over. It has a very high salt content and if pumped back into the ocean it doesn't mix
but sinks to the ocean floor and kills sealife.
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oh, really?

California have just a place to dump it into, the Salton Sea.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
A desalination plant was planned for near San Diego (Carlsbad) and ran into a mega-shit-ton of eco-nazi opposition. It seems the major
problem is what to do with the salt slurry that's left over. It has a very high salt content and if pumped back into the ocean it doesn't mix
but sinks to the ocean floor and kills sealife.
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Could sell it to a highway dept so they can rot cars and poison freshwater ecosystems with it every winter.
 
Dethmachinefab said:
Could sell it to a highway dept so they can rot cars and poison freshwater ecosystems with it every winter.
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Don’t get me started on this shit. It’s the lawyers who forced this on us. The slips and falls in parking lots fuel the salt application. The paper mill by me has to make the yard absolutely bare otherwise one of the employees will “slip and fall” and create a 100k + workers comp claim. It’s all around stupid. Slips and falls in the winter Blaim game should be Put on the person walking.
 
Sceep said:
Excuse the dumb ass question please... Why wouldn't one capitalize on the excess salt and sell it off to Morton?
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With a high volume plant like that they should leech out the good stuff in the brine.

I would love to have access to the brine that a desalination plant makes.

m.engineeringnews.co.za

Over 40 minerals and metals contained in seawater, their extraction likely to increase in the future

It is generally known that many minerals and metals exist, dissolved in seawater and in the waters of briny lagoons and salt lakes. According to Stanford University, in the US, seawater contains 47 minerals and metals. Starting with the most abundant and proceeding to the least abundant, these...
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Excerpt of the article:

Researchers continue to propose, and seek to develop, practical processes to extract other metals from seawater and brines. One proposal, made in 2012 by researchers in Singapore, was to use specific bacteria to extract metals from the brine produced as a waste product to desalination. The island country seeks to produce nine-million litres of fresh water a day through desalination by 2060, which will result in huge quantities of brine. Instead of just being dumped back into the sea, this brine could be biologically processed to extract the calcium, magnesium, potassium and sulphur it would contain. On average, every million litres of water contains 1 300 kg of magnesium, 900 kg of sulphur, 400 kg of calcium and 400 kg of potassium. This could result in Singapore, with no natural resources, eventually developing a $4.5-billion ‘mining’ industry. It is not clear how much progress has so far been made with this proposal.

Sounds like a win win to me.
 
Gregj50!!!!! said:
Definitely federal money!!!!! California is broke and has been for decades!!!!!!
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Not broke, just poor at spending money on truly important stuff. Currently $100 billion surplus, is the number being thrown around
 
Wilson said:
I believe it was recently cleared to continue operating beyond that, with an influx of state or possibly federal funding.

California tries to pass the buck on Diablo Canyon
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Not quite......yet....

Environmentalist want the sea water cooling system changed at Diablo Canyon, so that the tertiary discharge no longer goes back into the ocean; as it has been since 1985. The estimated cost for this cooling system retrofit is about $13 billion. The entire cost of the entire Diablo Canyon power plant at the time of completion in 1985 and admitted into the rate base, was $5.2 billion (after the original $689 million cost estimate in 1968). It would take twice the entire proposed $6 billion Fed funding for this and other plants, and still not be enough for the cooling water retrofit. No wonder PG&E wants to walk away from this power plant.
 
GonPostal said:
Not quite......yet....

Environmentalist want the sea water cooling system changed at Diablo Canyon, so that the tertiary discharge no longer goes back into the ocean; as it has been since 1985. The estimated cost for this cooling system retrofit is about $13 billion. The entire cost of the entire Diablo Canyon power plant at the time of completion in 1985 and admitted into the rate base, was $5.2 billion (after the original $689 million cost estimate in 1968). It would take twice the entire proposed $6 billion Fed funding for this and other plants, and still not be enough for the cooling water retrofit. No wonder PG&E wants to walk away from this power plant.
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Or tell them to fuck off and find a better, cheaper solution.
 
Gregj50!!!!! said:
Definitely federal money!!!!! California is broke and has been for decades!!!!!!
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Not true. We had a $100 billion (with a B) surplus this year. Which is equally as dumb because it means California either doesn't need to be fleecing its taxpayers for as much as it has been, or the money is being mismanaged(our roads still suck).
 
Wilson said:
Not broke, just poor at spending money on truly important stuff. Currently $100 billion surplus, is the number being thrown around
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And that's a huge lie. If any private company tried that type of accounting, they'd all be thrown in jail.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Not true. We had a $100 billion (with a B) surplus this year. Which is equally as dumb because it means California either doesn't need to be fleecing its taxpayers for as much as it has been, or the money is being mismanaged(our roads still suck).
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The thieves in Excramento openly said they were going to divert some of that increased gas tax $$$$$ to other purposes even before the proposition was voted on, and people still voted for it. :shaking:
 
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