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Many years ago I read about how they divided up the Colorado water rights way back before the dams were built. They surveyed the Colorado river CFS on an extremely high runoff/snowpack year. Like 100 year high. So basically they gave everyone more water rights than there would ever be. after they were aware of the mistake they didn't go back and do another survey on a dry year to find an average seasonal CFS number, They just left it as is. Kept saying California gets this much even though there wasn't enough to go around already. Now all we have done is keep making more people. Combine that with Californian politicians who happen to be the most corrupt disgusting humans on the planet who like to do things that are completely unsustainable while they preach the exact opposite and you end up with a bunch of new places to go dry lake bed racing with the tax payers holding the bill in one hand and a limp schlong in the other.
 
I live at the base of some of the headwaters that ultimately go to lake Powell. The Ute Indians are battling for water rights over here right now. They say whitey has been stealing water that was always theirs and they want it back. We’re hurting for water around here already too.
 
Rivers been high here for weeks. Thought I'd see how lake powell was doing. It's up 14 feet. Still along way to go. Hopefully some of that Wyoming rain will make its way down the green

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The problem is not where the water will come from. The problem is simply where the water is going and being wasted. Every single square foot of green, manicured lawn in the desert southwest is to blame. I'm really sorry you picked Phoenix or Las Vegas or Los Angeles to live.

But...

You don't get to live in the FUCKING DESERT and golf 18 holes a day or have 20k sq ft of Kentucky bluegrass.

The Colorado River Compact needs to be annulled, and let us store water upstream to feed crops and cattle to keep AMERICANS fed.

California brags about being such a huge world economy...prove that without Colorado River water.
 
Johnny Longrifle said:
The problem is not where the water will come from. The problem is simply where the water is going and being wasted. Every single square foot of green, manicured lawn in the desert southwest is to blame. I'm really sorry you picked Phoenix or Las Vegas or Los Angeles to live.

But...

You don't get to live in the FUCKING DESERT and golf 18 holes a day or have 20k sq ft of Kentucky bluegrass.

The Colorado River Compact needs to be annulled, and let us store water upstream to feed crops and cattle to keep AMERICANS fed.

California brags about being such a huge world economy...prove that without Colorado River water.
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It worked just fine with half as many people. That is the real problem. The infrastructure wasn't future proof for this stupid envite everyone here bullshit. Sam Era infrastructure works fine where the population has been stable over the last 75 years.

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Always thought they could work on desalination and leave the river for the land locked states. Nothing that state government does makes any sense.
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Not sure why thats not a thing. I will say that they did try to eminent domain the rod and gun club I belong to back in the day (70s)for that exact reason. Why they didn't follow through I'm not sure.
 
power_by_429 said:
Always thought they could work on desalination and leave the river for the land locked states. Nothing that state government does makes any sense.
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Here in So Cal, they just shot down a desal plant proposal. Environmentals..

Also Desal plants use a ton of electricity in the process, again Here in So Cal, because of decisions politicians have made Electricity is at a premium.

10 years ago I felt we needed to put a moratorium on building permits. But California politicians doubled down and said go ahead and add an apt. in your back yard, Convert your garage into an apt.

Take every small parcel of land and add high density housing.

If part of the building approval process was to secure water rights for your project. I promise very little growth would have happened over the last ten years.

I live in a 120 yr old home, It's had a lawn around it long before I bought it, after I'm gone they will level it and build a 4plex. what uses more water?
 
Santa said:
It worked just fine with half as many people. That is the real problem.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Thanos was not the bad guy, he was pragmatic and objective. Thanos 2024!!!
 
Santa said:
It worked just fine with half as many people. That is the real problem. The infrastructure wasn't future proof for this stupid envite everyone here bullshit. Sam Era infrastructure works fine where the population has been stable over the last 75 years.


Not sure why thats not a thing. I will say that they did try to eminent domain the rod and gun club I belong to back in the day (70s)for that exact reason. Why they didn't follow through I'm not sure.
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Not sure how much would be needed, but I am pretty sure the amount of power needed is pretty high, you would probably need a dedcated power plant, can anyone say Nuclear? :eek: :lmao:
 
power_by_429 said:
Always thought they could work on desalination and leave the river for the land locked states. Nothing that state government does makes any sense.
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A desalination plant was planned for near San Diego (Carlsbad) and ran into a mega-shit-ton of eco-nazi opposition. It seems the major
problem is what to do with the salt slurry that's left over. It has a very high salt content and if pumped back into the ocean it doesn't mix
but sinks to the ocean floor and kills sealife.
 
Well they tried going forward with a desalination plant in southern california, but guess what.... fuckin greenies said no. Ca coastal commission voted against building a desalination plant 12-0.

Canyafuckinbeleivethatshit?!?! 40 million people in the state that all need water, but 12 fish fuckers from L.A. can just flat out say no and it does not happen. Not even a comprimise


abcnews.go.com

Agency unanimously rejects California desalination project

The California Coastal Commission has rejected a long-standing proposal to build a $1.4 billion seawater desalination plant to turn ocean water into drinking water
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Stingray said:
Here in So Cal, they just shot down a desal plant proposal. Environmentals..

Also Desal plants use a ton of electricity in the process, again Here in So Cal, because of decisions politicians have made Electricity is at a premium.

10 years ago I felt we needed to put a moratorium on building permits. But California politicians doubled down and said go ahead and add an apt. in your back yard, Convert your garage into an apt.

Take every small parcel of land and add high density housing.

If part of the building approval process was to secure water rights for your project. I promise very little growth would have happened over the last ten years.

I live in a 120 yr old home, It's had a lawn around it long before I bought it, after I'm gone they will level it and build a 4plex. what uses more water?
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I'll play.

Depending on where you are, If you're watering that lawn then that will use more water than a 4plex with no lawn.
 
I still say they need to send some big tugs up where there are icebergs drag one back put it in a dry dock and wait for it to melt, run the water through a treatment plant and store it. when that one has melted send the tugs out again! Hell you could even turn some of the water into snow to coat the iceberg with and Kalifornians could truely ski and surf on the same day :lmao:
 
Santa said:
And one outside Sacramento, Rancho Seco maybe? And the one on the coast down south. Oniforne or something like that.
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I was just thinking down here in so Cal, that's a ton of capacity we are importing now.
 
clodhopper said:
Oh sure, everybody else has to pitch in to sort out Cali's lack of planning.



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Oh, they planned. They opened up all the damns and let all the water out to save an invasive species that was "endangered". Then they pumped the well water until it ran out. Now farmland is worthless and their friends can buy it all for a song. They planned to create an emergency they could exploit.
 
Roc Doc said:
I'll play.

Depending on where you are, If you're watering that lawn then that will use more water than a 4plex with no lawn.
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10 min showers use about 20-25 gallons times however many showers a day/week

typical laundry is about 20 gallons times how many a day/week.

all of that times 4.

and around here if they are two or three bedrooms they sublease, so you end up with 4 or 6 adults living in a single family residence.

none of that gets accounted for.



15 rainbird pop up sprinklers running 10 mins a night. best I can find is a flow rate between 2.2-4.0 GPM

seems close
 
Pablo said:
Oh, they planned. They opened up all the damns and let all the water out to save an invasive species that was "endangered". Then they pumped the well water until it ran out. Now farmland is worthless and their friends can buy it all for a song. They planned to create an emergency they could exploit.
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What part of california are you referring to? The farmland around here is far from worthless.
 
Harry Johnson said:
What part of california are you referring to? The farmland around here is far from worthless.
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true, but the amount they are pumping is causing the aquifer to collapse and sink, plus im surprised they dont have a larger issue with salt water intrusion into the water table.

also keep in mind there is a TON of nitrate in the water from the fertilizers in that basin, they just drill deeper when it starts showing up in their water.
 
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