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Illegals qualify for housing perks- :mad3:
The deeper you read the worse it gets:

"California’s Dream for All Shared Appreciation Loans program allows applicants to secure “loans” of up to $150,000 or 20% of the home’s purchase price — or, about what a typical down payment is — with zero down payment on this state “loan,” and no payments. In exchange, the state receives the original loan amount plus 20% of the appreciated gain when the home is refinanced, sold, or transferred. "

From this article.
 
With a Dem super-majority, they can do anything they want, until the Feds take them to court. I can see the Democrat fascists passing a law that states former residents that left California of up to 10 years ago have to pay a severance tax to the state. If it's a tax, YOU have to PROVE you don't owe it before you say, no it can't happen.

I thought they already did the tax thing?
 
The deeper you read the worse it gets:

"California’s Dream for All Shared Appreciation Loans program allows applicants to secure “loans” of up to $150,000 or 20% of the home’s purchase price — or, about what a typical down payment is — with zero down payment on this state “loan,” and no payments. In exchange, the state receives the original loan amount plus 20% of the appreciated gain when the home is refinanced, sold, or transferred. "

From this article.

Prices of houses just jumped $150k?
 
Prices of houses just jumped $150k?
Seems to me with that with $150K the max down, a $600K house can bump to $750K. We go to market soon and I can't wait to hear if/how this affects our list price.

We bought this place after illegals lost their loan in 2008. Now chances are illegals will buy the place and make it a 1300' home for a dozen people again. That's some circle of life stuff right there.
and homeless veterans are still homeless.
The powers-that-suck would rather ALL veterans die right after leaving service. We toggle from asset to liability on our sep dates for a few reasons.
 
I am a native Californian.
In my adult life, I have lived in: Texas, Tenn, KY, VA, CO and spent tons of time in AL, NM, OK & OR.

All awesome places where I loved the people and the overall situation and never had a single problem moving through the world or getting done what I needed to get done. All of those places have challenges with people... poverty and all that comes with poverty. But, overall, awesome people and great things to do. Of course, the problems that do exist can be joked about or carped about and everyone alive can be teased or made fun of.... but, for me, I don't get all the 'this place is a shithole and that place rules'

I lived in a dry county in Eastern Kentucky, no big deal. I have to get a permit for this or that here, whatever. Figure out the rules of the game and go win the game and keep smiling.

The thing I NEVER did was live in a place and long to live in another.... once I was wanting to go to a new place, I did it. I never wanted eastern Kentucky to be California (but, I was pretty happy to find HIgh on Rose for mexican food back then!)

I'm a big believer in if you are part of a thing (company, state, town, organization) figure out how it runs and fit the fuck in. If I found I couldn't, I moved to one that I could.

Today, I get to live in a perfect place for me, that I love and that I fit in and it is just right. 1800 people, easy access, quiet, peaceful.

But, I still love all the other places I lived and a ton of the people there and I only wish them well. The problem with people 'escaping' to other places is they might move their shit, but they are the same fucking person... and they bring that baggage with them.

Left to my own devices, I am a happy person, and content, and I keep my eyes on my own paper and don't have a ton of expectations of others... So, when I move, I'm happy. When I get there--> I bring happy and easy to get along with. I WANT to follow local customs. I want to know how 'they' do it and do it that way.. otherwise, why go?

People who can't hack it where they are from are compelled to move on... they aren't really escaping, they are just bringing their blues to a new town... it is too bad, but it is a reality. We have had people move into our town and try to change it and we just smile... they'll leave soon enough.
The state you are living in has changed dramatically over your lifetime. Why not work to or for the change that would improve it and, at the same time, lament the changes that degrade it :confused:
 
The state you are living in has changed dramatically over your lifetime. Why not work to or for the change that would improve it and, at the same time, lament the changes that degrade it :confused:

What, are you like my mom asking me to clean my room? What you are suggesting is COUNTER to the earlier request that people not come to states and start changing things. First, we do volunteer work, my wife does it for her main work. In retirement, my 'full time' job is at 25% of my previous pay to help kids every fucking day, so, you know, keep up.

We both volunteer on multiple things to make things better where we can see the benefits of our labor. Watching TV, posting on Facebook (the shit you probably do) doesn't help anyone ever.

I was gone for 20 years (back now 24) and you know what? I'm happy here. It isn't perfect, no place is (I've lived in several and traveled the world.) Overall, despite all the breathless 'news' it is a lovely foggy morning. We are about to hop in a new car and head down the coast to LA for a party tonight. We aren't gonna be late or have to rush and we'll take the day like it comes.

the nature of all things is to change. NOTHING stays the same. NOTHING. Ride the wave that is coming or wait for the next one... California of 1966 is never coming back, but man, it was great. (well except for the twins across the street who got slaughtered in Vietnam and my cousin going there and really never coming back....)

You gotta fix what you can fix and the rest you go get the scrap value and keep fixing what you can fix. I can't remember the statistic, but most people opt for 'restomod' right? That tells us all we really need to know... you gotta keep moving and you gotta move forward and live in the moment you've got.

There is good research that shows that folks, as they age, suffer from 'shrinking world' and, unless they think it through and stay active and current, will begin to see their world shrink away... and they aren't wrong... if you try to freeze a moment, the second you do that it begins to shrink... if it is all you have and all you keep, eventually you live a pretty paltry world.

California has always been a gold rush state. Boom and Bust. We are somewhere in that continuum.
 
What, are you like my mom asking me to clean my room? What you are suggesting is COUNTER to the earlier request that people not come to states and start changing things. First, we do volunteer work, my wife does it for her main work. In retirement, my 'full time' job is at 25% of my previous pay to help kids every fucking day, so, you know, keep up.

We both volunteer on multiple things to make things better where we can see the benefits of our labor. Watching TV, posting on Facebook (the shit you probably do) doesn't help anyone ever.

I was gone for 20 years (back now 24) and you know what? I'm happy here. It isn't perfect, no place is (I've lived in several and traveled the world.) Overall, despite all the breathless 'news' it is a lovely foggy morning. We are about to hop in a new car and head down the coast to LA for a party tonight. We aren't gonna be late or have to rush and we'll take the day like it comes.

the nature of all things is to change. NOTHING stays the same. NOTHING. Ride the wave that is coming or wait for the next one... California of 1966 is never coming back, but man, it was great. (well except for the twins across the street who got slaughtered in Vietnam and my cousin going there and really never coming back....)

You gotta fix what you can fix and the rest you go get the scrap value and keep fixing what you can fix. I can't remember the statistic, but most people opt for 'restomod' right? That tells us all we really need to know... you gotta keep moving and you gotta move forward and live in the moment you've got.

There is good research that shows that folks, as they age, suffer from 'shrinking world' and, unless they think it through and stay active and current, will begin to see their world shrink away... and they aren't wrong... if you try to freeze a moment, the second you do that it begins to shrink... if it is all you have and all you keep, eventually you live a pretty paltry world.

California has always been a gold rush state. Boom and Bust. We are somewhere in that continuum.
It isn't counter to shit. You are from CA, stay there :flipoff2:

Ca is also changing for the worse, like most places, your "just ride it" philosophy is comical because you are intolerant of criticism to CA, everybody else just "can't hack it"

Since you are from there, why cry when somebody points out the bad? Why not work to improve? Can't fix what you blind yourself against seeing.

Doesn't mean people are wrong when they say you are blind
 
I left California. I've considered going back and found I've no reason. Going other places, I don't work to change them for the worse amd support the reasons I went there. I'm not going to live rural and fight ag, I'm not going to move to Texas and work to shut down BBQ because they can't cook a pig or demand something not sugar for the meat.
 
I left California. I've considered going back and found I've no reason. Going other places, I don't work to change them for the worse amd support the reasons I went there. I'm not going to live rural and fight ag, I'm not going to move to Texas and work to shut down BBQ because they can't cook a pig or demand something not sugar for the meat.

According to a lot of Californians... You are doing it all wrong. :flipoff2:
 
The deeper you read the worse it gets:

"California’s Dream for All Shared Appreciation Loans program allows applicants to secure “loans” of up to $150,000 or 20% of the home’s purchase price — or, about what a typical down payment is — with zero down payment on this state “loan,” and no payments. In exchange, the state receives the original loan amount plus 20% of the appreciated gain when the home is refinanced, sold, or transferred. "

From this article.
The state being the first lien holder on a property will likely put off many banks from writing the remainder of the loan. If there's a correction in the market, the banks will lose the depreciation after paying the state the original equity that secured the loan. If a buyer moves in, never makes a payment, and trashes the place over the year it'll take to evict them, the bank loses again. There's a hundred ways the bank can get screwed, but there's practically no risk to the buyer or the state.

I don't see this working out too well. Lender participation will be what kills it.
 
I left California. I've considered going back and found I've no reason. Going other places, I don't work to change them for the worse amd support the reasons I went there. I'm not going to live rural and fight ag, I'm not going to move to Texas and work to shut down BBQ because they can't cook a pig or demand something not sugar for the meat.
What would make you consider it if you have 'no reason' ? That is kind of unlikely, isn't it? Wouldn't considering it be caused by 'reasons to move'? People don't typically move for 'no reason' nor consider moving for 'no reason'.

Nobody says, 'hey honey, lets sell the ranch and move to X just because.'

Every place I ever left, I went TO a place that offered an opportunity for me or my family that I thought was greater than what I thought was available where I was: I moved to Virginia for graduate school, fellowship, scholarship, free ride AND the adventure of living in a place foreign to me.

Then Kentucky, where the job and opportunity I wanted were. My gf was also going to get her PHD at UK. I went to TN because my wife got a job that tripled her salary, we left because the opportunities for what we both wanted to do were limited there. We went to Colorado, she again doubled her salary and I had the chance to get my phd and I could advance and make more dough and we wanted to be out west.

We moved back to California because I had developed some things that were better to work on in silicon valley than anywhere else and my family (very large) had expressed many times the wish that we be closer.

Each time big financial reasons and some desire and family reasons. When I moved to other places, I fit in. I think that if I asked the people (or if you did) if they would want me to return, I think they'd all say yes.

What made you leave california (not narratives, the REAL ACTUAL reason) and what invited you to the next place?

I worked construction to save money for grad school, and then after applying, I found out that I needn't have saved the money, they would PAY for me to to go! I picked Virginia because it was the best school (William and Mary) with the best offer of money and opportunity (vs Dartmouth, Univ of South Carolina, UVA) Hey, I'm not someone who necessarily is interested in cockfighting, but, when I lived in Kentucky, I went with friends because it was a big deal to them... it isn't something I would be a fan of, but I didn't say a fucking thing because they love it, it is part of their world and I get why because I listen to them when they told me about it. Not everyone goes to places and tries to recreate where they were. I certainly didn't, I'd guess you didn't...

Now, if you think about the anti smoking movement that began in California, it is true that that movement moved across the country (slowly but surely) to the ire of a lot of people who didn't want that change.... But, most states saw the advantages and followed suit. They chose it because they saw the advantage.

California got hugely popular after WWII. Why? Tons of guys from all over trained there and thought the weather was great! Then, after the war, Defense contractors and manufacturers set up shop all over California. The state, at the time, was flush with oil money and invested heavily in infrastructure: roads, water, education.

During the depression, California had a large influx of people fleeing dust storms and economic distress. They were largely uneducated and unskilled and fell into work in the millions of acres of fields working for large ag outfits. In many ways, this work force created JG Boswell and mega ag. Over the years, as California continued to grow (the entertainment business, the tech business) and be marketed as the place to be, people kept coming. And for generations, it worked. There was always work. There was always more opportunity. Sure the nice rancher in Redondo Beach was now a tract house in Anaheim, then Corona, then even farther out, but there was still opportunity.

It isn't even that it died out, but other states figured it out too and like the anti smoking stuff, they built incubators and fostered the kinds of industries that California had developed (with people from all over.)

To be from California means a lot of different kinds of people... some first generation, some second, some mulitiple...

So, you left Ca for reasons, what were the real reasons? was it simply ideological, you didn't like the political views of the different governors? or was it the laws that interfered with your business? Or did you get a better opportunity somewhere else?
 
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What would make you consider it if you have 'no reason' ? That is kind of unlikely, isn't it? Wouldn't considering it be caused by 'reasons to move'? People don't typically move for 'no reason' nor consider moving for 'no reason'.

Nobody says, 'hey honey, lets sell the ranch and move to X just because.'

Every place I ever left, I went TO a place that offered an opportunity for me or my family that I thought was greater than what I thought was available where I was: I moved to Virginia for graduate school, fellowship, scholarship, free ride AND the adventure of living in a place foreign to me.

Then Kentucky, where the job and opportunity I wanted were. My gf was also going to get her PHD at UK. I went to TN because my wife got a job that tripled her salary, we left because the opportunities for what we both wanted to do were limited there. We went to Colorado, she again doubled her salary and I had the chance to get my phd and I could advance and make more dough and we wanted to be out west.

We moved back to California because I had developed some things that were better to work on in silicon valley than anywhere else and my family (very large) had expressed many times the wish that we be closer.

Each time big financial reasons and some desire and family reasons. When I moved to other places, I fit in. I think that if I asked the people (or if you did) if they would want me to return, I think they'd all say yes.

What made you leave california (not narratives, the REAL ACTUAL reason) and what invited you to the next place?

I worked construction to save money for grad school, and then after applying, I found out that I needn't have saved the money, they would PAY for me to to go! I picked Virginia because it was the best school (William and Mary) with the best offer of money and opportunity (vs Dartmouth, Univ of South Carolina, UVA) Hey, I'm not someone who necessarily is interested in cockfighting, but, when I lived in Kentucky, I went with friends because it was a big deal to them... it isn't something I would be a fan of, but I didn't say a fucking thing because they love it, it is part of their world and I get why because I listen to them when they told me about it. Not everyone goes to places and tries to recreate where they were. I certainly didn't, I'd guess you didn't...

Now, if you think about the anti smoking movement that began in California, it is true that that movement moved across the country (slowly but surely) to the ire of a lot of people who didn't want that change.... But, most states saw the advantages and followed suit. They chose it because they saw the advantage.

California got hugely popular after WWII. Why? Tons of guys from all over trained there and thought the weather was great! Then, after the war, Defense contractors and manufacturers set up shop all over California. The state, at the time, was flush with oil money and invested heavily in infrastructure: roads, water, education.

During the depression, California had a large influx of people fleeing dust storms and economic distress. They were largely uneducated and unskilled and fell into work in the millions of acres of fields working for large ag outfits. In many ways, this work force created JG Boswell and mega ag. Over the years, as California continued to grow (the entertainment business, the tech business) and be marketed as the place to be, people kept coming. And for generations, it worked. There was always work. There was always more opportunity. Sure the nice rancher in Redondo Beach was now a tract house in Anaheim, then Corona, then even farther out, but there was still opportunity.

It isn't even that it died out, but other states figured it out too and like the anti smoking stuff, they built incubators and fostered the kinds of industries that California had developed (with people from all over.)

To be from California means a lot of different kinds of people... some first generation, some second, some mulitiple...

So, you left Ca for reasons, what were the real reasons? was it simply ideological, you didn't like the political views of the different governors? or was it the laws that interfered with your business? Or did you get a better opportunity somewhere else?
Haven't read it all yet, I considered moving back because I was checking several states with similar regions.

I've no reason to be specifically in CA, plenty of what I was looking for in places without all the nonsense.

I.e. residential sprinkler system on new home build is optional in most places.

Considering something and having no reason isn't some chaos thing, it's just the reality of it.

I left because I wanted to. Politics was some of it, just to be anywhere else was more of it :laughing: the laws interfered with my life, so i found a better opportunity else where. Took me a few years to fully settle on not going back to CA.
 
Haven't read it all yet, I considered moving back because I was checking several states with similar regions.

I've no reason to be specifically in CA, plenty of what I was looking for in places without all the nonsense.

I.e. residential sprinkler system on new home build is optional in most places.

Considering something and having no reason isn't some chaos thing, it's just the reality of it.

I left because I wanted to. Politics was some of it, just to be anywhere else was more of it :laughing: the laws interfered with my life, so i found a better opportunity else where. Took me a few years to fully settle on not going back to CA.
Fair enough. I have no interest in living in LA. I was just down there and at a gathering someone was complaining about their HOA and 10 minutes later, someone else was complaining that their HOA needed to be tougher...

My mom lives on Balboa Island and loves it. It is like a prison to me.

A property we own is in an area where I guess we are required to use special loads to protect a bird. It is 500 acres. Nobody has ever come by to check. We have a couple of renters and lease the land to a neighbor. I lived there for a few years and loved it.

I've got a cabin in the national forest. lots of rules and regs there. FS, County, State, lots of rules. So far, I haven't come across any I couldn't get a permit around or solve in a creative way so I could do what I wanted/needed.

My life is pretty simple though, I don't intersect with too many things that irk me to the degree that I'd move.

But, I realize that for a lot of people the idea that something is bullshit (even if they aren't directly impacted) is enough to want out. I get it. I'm just not wired that way. I tend more toward, well, what can we do? How can we make it work? My old man was a marine, so the whole improvise adapt overcome thing was ingrained early.
 
What would make you consider it if you have 'no reason' ? That is kind of unlikely, isn't it? Wouldn't considering it be caused by 'reasons to move'? People don't typically move for 'no reason' nor consider moving for 'no reason'.

Nobody says, 'hey honey, lets sell the ranch and move to X just because.'

Every place I ever left, I went TO a place that offered an opportunity for me or my family that I thought was greater than what I thought was available where I was: I moved to Virginia for graduate school, fellowship, scholarship, free ride AND the adventure of living in a place foreign to me.

Then Kentucky, where the job and opportunity I wanted were. My gf was also going to get her PHD at UK. I went to TN because my wife got a job that tripled her salary, we left because the opportunities for what we both wanted to do were limited there. We went to Colorado, she again doubled her salary and I had the chance to get my phd and I could advance and make more dough and we wanted to be out west.

We moved back to California because I had developed some things that were better to work on in silicon valley than anywhere else and my family (very large) had expressed many times the wish that we be closer.

Each time big financial reasons and some desire and family reasons. When I moved to other places, I fit in. I think that if I asked the people (or if you did) if they would want me to return, I think they'd all say yes.

What made you leave california (not narratives, the REAL ACTUAL reason) and what invited you to the next place?

I worked construction to save money for grad school, and then after applying, I found out that I needn't have saved the money, they would PAY for me to to go! I picked Virginia because it was the best school (William and Mary) with the best offer of money and opportunity (vs Dartmouth, Univ of South Carolina, UVA) Hey, I'm not someone who necessarily is interested in cockfighting, but, when I lived in Kentucky, I went with friends because it was a big deal to them... it isn't something I would be a fan of, but I didn't say a fucking thing because they love it, it is part of their world and I get why because I listen to them when they told me about it. Not everyone goes to places and tries to recreate where they were. I certainly didn't, I'd guess you didn't...

Now, if you think about the anti smoking movement that began in California, it is true that that movement moved across the country (slowly but surely) to the ire of a lot of people who didn't want that change.... But, most states saw the advantages and followed suit. They chose it because they saw the advantage.

California got hugely popular after WWII. Why? Tons of guys from all over trained there and thought the weather was great! Then, after the war, Defense contractors and manufacturers set up shop all over California. The state, at the time, was flush with oil money and invested heavily in infrastructure: roads, water, education.

During the depression, California had a large influx of people fleeing dust storms and economic distress. They were largely uneducated and unskilled and fell into work in the millions of acres of fields working for large ag outfits. In many ways, this work force created JG Boswell and mega ag. Over the years, as California continued to grow (the entertainment business, the tech business) and be marketed as the place to be, people kept coming. And for generations, it worked. There was always work. There was always more opportunity. Sure the nice rancher in Redondo Beach was now a tract house in Anaheim, then Corona, then even farther out, but there was still opportunity.

It isn't even that it died out, but other states figured it out too and like the anti smoking stuff, they built incubators and fostered the kinds of industries that California had developed (with people from all over.)

To be from California means a lot of different kinds of people... some first generation, some second, some mulitiple...

So, you left Ca for reasons, what were the real reasons? was it simply ideological, you didn't like the political views of the different governors? or was it the laws that interfered with your business? Or did you get a better opportunity somewhere else?
That’s a great response and you’re the type of guy a state would want to bring in. Similar story to my uncle on the origin story on the reasons and way you ended up there.

Uncle left because my cousin didn’t want to do the 1000 sqft on 0.15 acres for $1m thing. Not enough land for his toys. So cousin moved to the south and uncle followed. They sold their house for $2m+ and bought something for cash way cheaper while outbidding the locals by a great amount. Now this uncle bitches about “hillbillies” like me who have lived there for generations while voting blue in a red state. His logic is 1) Trump is a the devil and 2) he knows what’s best for everyone. There seems to be 500,000 people like him doing this. Maybe this isnt you but it certainly describes a real lot of people and what’s happening on a lot of red states
 
But, I realize that for a lot of people the idea that something is bullshit (even if they aren't directly impacted) is enough to want out.


You don't get it :laughing: many things do directly impact you and me. Just because you have your blinders on, doesn't mean it isn't real, and real optional. You are correct that there is a big difference between moving in and moving out.

You brought up much earlier "if something bugs you, just move" and now "well, minor stuff isn't worth moving out over" :laughing: yeah, no shit. That is what everyone else was saying. It doesn't mean that minor shit doesn't exist.

Sure, go ahead and use illegal ammo. Never mind the ammo tax, not a big hassle. I really don't want to run afoul of many laws, in fact as legally compliant as I can be, I'd rather be. Some? Sure, just like you or any reasonable person. Too many and the arbitrary enforcement becomes a serious concern.
 
That’s a great response and you’re the type of guy a state would want to bring in. Similar story to my uncle on the origin story on the reasons and way you ended up there.

Uncle left because my cousin didn’t want to do the 1000 sqft on 0.15 acres for $1m thing. Not enough land for his toys. So cousin moved to the south and uncle followed. They sold their house for $2m+ and bought something for cash way cheaper while outbidding the locals by a great amount. Now this uncle bitches about “hillbillies” like me who have lived there for generations while voting blue in a red state. His logic is 1) Trump is a the devil and 2) he knows what’s best for everyone. There seems to be 500,000 people like him doing this. Maybe this isnt you but it certainly describes a real lot of people and what’s happening on a lot of red states

the first part, I was thinking 'hell yeah'! Because it is the perfect way to parlay the exit from middle class to righteous pad. The second part, it just sucks for everyone (especially him.) First, California is chock full of rednecks and hillbillys. What is really a drag is that that attitude becomes a barrier from being happy. For me, I took every experience as a chance to learn. On my move to Kentucky, I got a flat just at my turn off for the last 'highway' til I got to my town. I pulled into minute mart kinda place and it was packed. It was in the high 90's and humid and everyone was getting cold drinks etc. I asked the clerk if there was a garage around, that I had a flat (I had no spare, I was mega broke back then) and the guy said, 'oh he'll be along directly for that feller' and pointed at a guy with an earring (rare back then) and a grateful dead tshirt. My truck had VA plates so no worries about being seen as a Californian.

The guy shows up and I go out and the earring dude has a vw bug. The mechanic says, 'son, I don't know nothin about german cars, but I'll give it a try.' and the car won't start and I know it is vapor locked (worked on bugs my whole life) so, I grab a rag out of my truck and go over and say hi and I think I can help with this, they stand back and I pull off the air filter, stuff the tshirt in the carb and tell the kid, fire that mother up, and he does and it starts, and I put the air filter back on and I say, 'do not turn this car off until you get to your destination, it will be fine in the morning.' and the guy says thanks and I say, don't thank me, this gentleman (pointing to the mechanic) is the one to thank. The mechanic says, 'that'll be 10.00' and the kid objects and says I fixed the car and I say, 'hey, your car didn't run, now it does, it is because of him' and he gives the guy the money and drives away.

The guy looks at my tire and says, 'I have a tire at the house, lets pull that one off' and I jack the truck up and he pulls the tire. We drive to his place and his garage is off a cliff (his pit) and he finds a used tire in a pile and mounts it up, airs it up (and I'm dying as I have 50.00 to my name at this point) and we go back and he mounts it up and I say, 'well, sir, what do I owe you?' and he says, 'you know I have been thinking about that and you did a good thing with that hippy kid who didn't want to pay no one, how about you come to my church, I'm a preacher, one sunday and we'll be even.'

So, I say, yes, sir, and I drive away. After I got my first paycheck, I went to his church and put a 20.00 in the hat when it came around. He was a nice guy and kind to me. Now, there were a ton of indications along the way to be worried, concerned, afraid or judgy and instead, I ended being saved from a tough spot and making a friend. I didn't go to his church, but I did go fishing with him a couple of times and I helped him a couple of times when he needed a helper.

The poverty I saw in those years was staggering. But, I loved the people and I came to understand how complex the issues are and I am grateful to have learned so much. You know, the culture is being lost in the hollers. When I taught there, I broke out the foxfire books and the Ag teacher and the woodshop teacher and I dove in with the kids... We started a pig roast where we raised and harvested the pig at school for the whole county. If you check it out, Lee County High School STILL has the pig roast that Orville Bennett and I started. (great stories about that!)

I wish your uncle had been able to deal with his change better and find the deep value of the folks who live in places for many generations. I deeply admire deep roots, though I lack them as I moved during my adult hood. I am a Californian (born here and now having spent ⅔ of my life here) but I love our country and its people, in many ways, because I got to experience and learn different ways of living.

At my work, I help a lot of viet and hispanic folks and I stress to them the value of learning the local values and not trying to replicate the countries they came from. One of my engineers is viet and for many years, he only ate viet food, in the past 5 years or so, he asks me to take him to good places so he can learn. With his kids, he has insisted that they 'americanize' not that they lose where they were from, but that they fit in and respect and love where they are.

It is so simple. I don't get why people are dicks. but they are.
 
You don't get it :laughing: many things do directly impact you and me. Just because you have your blinders on, doesn't mean it isn't real, and real optional. You are correct that there is a big difference between moving in and moving out.

You brought up much earlier "if something bugs you, just move" and now "well, minor stuff isn't worth moving out over" :laughing: yeah, no shit. That is what everyone else was saying. It doesn't mean that minor shit doesn't exist.

Sure, go ahead and use illegal ammo. Never mind the ammo tax, not a big hassle. I really don't want to run afoul of many laws, in fact as legally compliant as I can be, I'd rather be. Some? Sure, just like you or any reasonable person. Too many and the arbitrary enforcement becomes a serious concern.

I think you are completely right. it is that line that exists in each of us where it is more than we want to accept.

we use regular ammo on the range at the ranch and we clean up, so, no chance of a bird ingesting it directly or from a rodent. So, spirit of the law achieved. Like you, I'm a rule follower...

I think, again, you are right it is the level and severity of the offending rule or policy that determines if you stay or go. In my life, I've not run into a policy or rule that was so offensive that it made me even think about leaving a state. It was always opportunity and adventure that drew me away from where I was.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you have to type walls of text in every post to defend your decision and the state you live in, you might be part of the problem and will never recognize that there is one.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you have to type walls of text in every post to defend your decision and the state you live in, you might be part of the problem and will never recognize that there is one.
I can type a wall of text as to why California sucks and another one as to why it’s also a great place to live.
 
Some ya'll motherfuckas got the CDS

California Derangement Syndrome!!

Never been in a group of people that spend more time talking about a place they don't live at and many have never even been outside of a church and the people talking about Heaven!

Next step is whine about the people that come there and fuck up your area, or how California spreads!

It's like the Covid vaccine, if you're area of so fanciful and the politicians are so fucking A awesome, then it shouldn't matter ala if your vaccine and mask work so good, why I do I need either!

CDS is real bro!! Cover up tight tonight boys. Lock them doors. Shut the winders. California gonna get you in your sleep!!!
 
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