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Jesus Fucking Christ CALIFORNIA

Fuck that state and every worthless **** that gets elected.

If they have too much green energy why are they trying to shove solar farms and wind farms up my areas ass non stop? They've spent so much trying to convince this area that we want it but so far we've stopped them.


If they need more room to store electricity they can just use the citizens heads since they're obviously empty.
 
A whole lot of people lease solar setups and were selling power back to the grid. The price power companies pay for that energy recently took a nosedive. One of the reasons that If I ever build a solar setup it is going to include storage and management that sips off of the grid as needed rather than produces for it, they won't see one damn watt from my panels if I can help it.
 
I'm offgrid running on solar. My batteries are charged by noon or so (depending on conditions).

So during much of the day, my charge controllers stop accepting power from the panels.

I'm always thinking of ways to use the leftover power, but there really isn't any 'cheap' way of doing so.
 
MigGunslinger said:
A whole lot of people lease solar setups and were selling power back to the grid. The price power companies pay for that energy recently took a nosedive. One of the reasons that If I ever build a solar setup it is going to include storage and management that sips off of the grid as needed rather than produces for it, they won't see one damn watt from my panels if I can help it.
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I'm planning mine like this but to also sell back to the grid. I want to be able to offset my use from the grid when I want to use a welder.
 
MigGunslinger said:
A whole lot of people lease solar setups and were selling power back to the grid. The price power companies pay for that energy recently took a nosedive. One of the reasons that If I ever build a solar setup it is going to include storage and management that sips off of the grid as needed rather than produces for it, they won't see one damn watt from my panels if I can help it.
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that was all part of the early push.

there was someone from the old place that was an early, early adopter and was getting full price for selling back power. once people started buying in they started dropping the price. just wait until they raise rates to cover the 'costs' associated conservation and 'uncontrolled' excess from solar.
 
blakes said:
I'm offgrid running on solar. My batteries are charged by noon or so (depending on conditions).

So during much of the day, my charge controllers stop accepting power from the panels.

I'm always thinking of ways to use the leftover power, but there really isn't any 'cheap' way of doing so.
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Specs on your setup? Why kind and how many batteries? Average daily usage?



ckupq said:
I'm planning mine like this but to also sell back to the grid. I want to be able to offset my use from the grid when I want to use a welder.
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Don't they buy it from you at a fraction of the rate that they'll sell it back when you need it? How much extra do you have to generate to offset the upsell when you're buying?
 
Etyler2 said:
After NEM3 PGE only has to buy it back at $.08 while we pay like $.43 per KW during peak.
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This is the main reason I'm looking at some sort of hybrid offgrid system where I don't feed the grid with any solar because f' them. I'm not fronting an obscene amount of money so I can give them cheap energy.

My version of hybrid is putting the full house on a power wall doing with solar and the only tie in to the grid being a 220V charger.
 
They have Grey Outs now as well? Needed more terms for their stupidity?
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Any video from you shows like this on this computer.
 
bgaidan said:
Specs on your setup? Why kind and how many batteries? Average daily usage?
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1.8kw of PV going to a Renogy 48v inverter/mppt
1.2kw of PV going to a Renogy 60amp mppt
4 Chins LFP 12v 200ah batteries wired in series (both mppt's connected to the battery)

The Renogy inverter is too old to record usage.

Kitchen oven, clothes dryer and water heater are propane. I do have 2 electric refrigerators and a 1550 gallon water tank connected to a jet pump/pressure tank. Microwave and air fryer are my biggest power consumers.

I can go 2 days with 'no sun' (overcast) then I get down to the point where I may crank up the 7200w gas generator, but rarely do that.
 
Lil'John said:
This is the main reason I'm looking at some sort of hybrid offgrid system where I don't feed the grid with any solar because f' them. I'm not fronting an obscene amount of money so I can give them cheap energy.

My version of hybrid is putting the full house on a power wall doing with solar and the only tie in to the grid being a 220V charger.
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Sounds good but dunno how that would work. DC panels from out of state and a cutoff switch?
 
MigGunslinger said:
A whole lot of people lease solar setups and were selling power back to the grid. The price power companies pay for that energy recently took a nosedive. One of the reasons that If I ever build a solar setup it is going to include storage and management that sips off of the grid as needed rather than produces for it, they won't see one damn watt from my panels if I can help it.
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No point in solar w/o batteries, imho. Out full house quote, including heat pumps, was $110k. About 1/2 of that was batteries… :Homer:
 
AKnate said:
It's African American outs. Sheez!

Same. Just a gray box on my phone. Figured it was from my potato speed internet.
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I have no clue. Someone shared it with me. I posted an article link, eventually I'll copy pasta...
 
mobil1syn said:
that was all part of the early push.

there was someone from the old place that was an early, early adopter and was getting full price for selling back power. once people started buying in they started dropping the price. just wait until they raise rates to cover the 'costs' associated conservation and 'uncontrolled' excess from solar.
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"You have to pay more because your solar panels necessitate more infrastructure." Something like that.
 
M92PV4U said:
We're paying higher rates during peak hours, while they're dumping excess energy.
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Same in Norway, but all year... we make lots of electric power, but are connected to Europe, use our water reserves (dams) all year instead of holding them until winter when we could use them ourselves. Because just let it go away and buy expensive power back.
 
I just signed a contract to get solar installed. :grinpimp:

Good heavens though, there are some shameless liars in that industry. The power-purchase-agreements, leases, etc. There are a constant stream of door knockers with dubious claims. I decided to go through with mine, via outright purchase, as it's a smaller system, no interest (cash purchase), and it'll pay for itself in about 7.5-8 years based on current kw/h prices. They argue til they're blue in the face about why signing their 25 year lease is the better way to go. But confronted with the math, it costs more to do that than to not.

We have a terrible net-metering deal (7c per kwh), so for me this system is only about 60% of our energy demands. I like solar, like the idea of making my own power. :homer:
 
Bonanza said:
They argue til they're blue in the face about why signing their 25 year lease is the better way to go. But confronted with the math, it costs more to do that than to not.
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how does that business model work?

there is no way those companies are structured to be around that long or manage the payments. are they selling the contracts to a third party?
 
I don't know if they ever adopted it, but the older NEM3 rules had something in the charges to the effect of $8 per KW of solar panels was to be charged for equality. The money was supposed to be used to help poor people achieve the solar dream. I stopped looking at solar at that point.

What I'd love to do is figure out a way to get my house AC off the grid. Our power usage is pretty low normally, except for the AC in summer. Too bad that compressor really needs the grid to kick on and get going.
 
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