JAM NUT WITH CASTLE NUT WITHOUT COTTER PIN; REASONABLE SOLUTION?

[CDA 455 II]

Can a jam nut accomplish the same function as a castle nut without a cotter pin?
Specifically; the TREs on my Bronco.

I have two brand new tie rods sitting on my desk; I hand tightened the driverside TRE to the passenger side tie rod.
Here's a pic of what it looks like on the Bronco:

Just like the TREs on the Bronco now; said brand new hand tightened TRE castle nut is threaded well beyond the cotter pin hole.
The TRE that bolts to the pitman arm doesn't have that issue, though.

Can I just use a jam nut to secure said castle nut and call it good?
Maybe Loctite said jam nut.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Chief Rocka]

washer under castle nut

 

[total newb]

Lesbian suspension deserves finger tight nuts.

 

[Twankie]

Chief is right and You suck at cotter pinning

 

[CDA 455 II]

washer under castle nut

Yeah; I was playing with that as well.

My concern with that is the washer giving way/expanding when tightening the castle nut.
I was in Ace Hardware an hour looking for a washer that fits snug enough against the shoulder where the taper begins/thread ends.

I'm going to give it another try.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Chief is right and You suck at cotter pinning

That's why I posted the thread in the nOOB forum.

 

[Beast]

Can you find a taller castle nut in the same thread pitch?

 

[Winchested]

If it's torqued properly it should never move.

 

[total newb]

Im more curious as to wtf there is a leaf spring plate holdong shit together over the axle

 

[WaterH]

They use jam nuts in aircraft. I’ve never liked them, but they are approved for castlenut locations. I would go with washers under the nut. If you use grade 8 washers, their not going to squeeze.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Im more curious as to wtf there is a leaf spring plate holdong shit together over the axle

I have a front hitch welded on the front frame horns.
I'm experimenting with a second hitch; I mounted it with old U-.

I also want a winch mount point

 

[CDA 455 II]

Can you find a taller castle nut in the same thread pitch?

That was plan-A.

Could only find the non-harden/softer metal castle nuts.

 

[WaterH]

Do you carry those jugs of water because it keeps overheating?

 

[CDA 455 II]

Do you carry those jugs of water because it keeps overheating?

No; I carry them because I'm a former desert rat who doesn't want to die from dehydration.

The tan and OD cans represent my two sons and I.
The blue 6L cans represent water for cooking and other stuff; you mentioned one.

 

[Yotota]

A thick washer would work, a jam nut would work, I would personally do a jam nut with safety wire because I like safety wire.

 

[WaterH]

No; I carry them because I'm a former desert rat who doesn't want to die from dehydration.

The tan and OD cans represent my two sons and I.
The blue 6L cans represent water for cooking and other stuff; you mentioned one.

Just joking. Kinda blocking the rad.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Just joking. Kinda blocking the rad.

Ah; didn't catch that.

So far; no cooling issues, but also haven't taken it on a trip longer than an hour at speeds above 45MPH either.

 

[M92PV4U]

Are you sure that the tre tapers are correct?

 

[CDA 455 II]

Are you sure that the tre tapers are correct?

Good question.
I altered the taper on the knuckles when I did the TRE flip; so those would definitely come into scrutiny.

However; the taper hole where the driverside tie rod bolts to the passenger side, as well as the pitman arm taper hole, remained untouched/unmodified.

The TRE that bolts to the pitman arm doesn't have that problem.
Both tie rods are for an '80 to '97 F-250/350; so it's not like it's mismatched.

 

[total newb]

They use jam nuts in aircraft. I’ve never liked them, but they are approved for castlenut locations. I would go with washers under the nut. If you use grade 8 washers, their not going to squeeze.

Fastenal is our hardware supplier through work. We have hd washers that are double thick.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Just get a fine thread nylock.

Tons of OEMs use them without issue.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Just get a fine thread nylock.

Tons of OEMs use them without issue.

Ah; haven't thought of that one.

While I was at Ace Hardware discovered the castle nut is M14 1.5.🤔

 

[Toreadorranger]

Run the Nylock and Toss a cotter pin through it as a fail safe, to keep the nut from fully backing off if it ever did loosen up.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Hard flat washer. Grade 8 washers available at most good hardware stores. On a budget but have good drill bits? Make one out of an old leaf spring leaf.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Hard flat washer. Grade 8 washers available at most good hardware stores. On a budget but have good drill bits? Make one out of an old leaf spring leaf.

Damn; haven't thought of that either!

 

[Weasel]

Good luck drilling leaf spring

I used CAT top lock on mine and they have not fallen off yet. Usually have metric sizes on hand at dealers.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Good luck drilling leaf spring

I used CAT top lock on mine and they have not fallen off yet. Usually have metric sizes on hand at dealers.

What is that?

 

[Weasel]

https://parts.cat.com/en/catcorp/hardware-and-fasteners

They jump from M12 to M16 so no M14 though, thought for sure they'd have them. they are crushed or distorted on the top to lock the nut from coming loose.

 

[arse_sidewards]

What is that?

Money wasting fanboy speak for "deformed thread lock nut"

McMaster and the other usual sources should have them.

 

[Toreadorranger]

Money wasting fanboy speak for "deformed thread lock nut"

McMaster and the other usual sources should have them.

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