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In the vein of ancient apocalypse.

surpip said:



The bit about the granite vase is crazy, and it’s mind blowing to think that it took thousands of years for us to even come up with the nomenclature to describe what they were able to do as far as accuracy goes.
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Fawk yesss. New shit to watch. I haven't see the show yet, but I think Imma watch this first.
 
Yota Up said:
Cliffs for those without 3 hours to spend on it today?
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Just listen to it when you can. It is some fascinating stuff.

Can’t really cliffs 3 hours of content but these guys think the eye of the Sahara is Atlantis, they have compelling evidence as to why that span thousands of years of history
 
Yota Up said:
Cliffs for those without 3 hours to spend on it today?
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Somehow the Egyptians were able to turn a granite vase that is within a half of a human hair of prefect in almost every dimension.
And not just turn it (which is super far out side of what we "know" they can do) but then also machine(?) the handles on the sides to the same dimensional tolerances.
 
DirtRoads said:
Just listen to it when you can. It is some fascinating stuff.

Can’t really cliffs 3 hours of content but these guys think the eye of the Sahara is Atlantis, they have compelling evidence as to why that span thousands of years of history
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That really wouldn't match up to anything Plato wrote about regarding Atlantis. I thought the Eye was found to be a volcanic dome.

A lot of this stuff goes beyond being wacky.
 
GarScramb said:
That really wouldn't match up to anything Plato wrote about regarding Atlantis. I thought the Eye was found to be a volcanic dome.

A lot of this stuff goes beyond being wacky.
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As wacky as thinking ancient people chipped massive stone obelisks weighing many tons to perfection with copper tools and then transported them many miles by rolling them on logs and pulling them with ropes?
 
GarScramb said:
That really wouldn't match up to anything Plato wrote about regarding Atlantis. I thought the Eye was found to be a volcanic dome.

A lot of this stuff goes beyond being wacky.
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they quotes his passage, and then shown the eye on sat images, its not a strech to see the similarities.
Keep in mind Troy was thought to be as fake as Atlantis is now, until they found it.
 
So how do they know when the vase was made? Let me guess they carbon dated the stone.

Imo 95% of the stuff on Rogans podcast is pure garbage and the guests are fucking nuts, again just my opinion. It just seems to have gotten dumber over the past few years. I quit watching.
 
Stuck said:
So how do they know when the vase was made? Let me guess they carbon dated the stone.

Imo 95% of the stuff on Rogans podcast is pure garbage and the guests are fucking nuts, again just my opinion. It just seems to have gotten dumber over the past few years. I quit watching.
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You can't carbon date inorganic materials. If you're going to call people garbage and fucking nuts, at least don't be blatantly wrong about simple things in the process.
 
Listen, I'm not saying these guys are right. They could be wildly wrong. But at least they're trying a different approach rather than sticking with common narratives that just seem completely absurd. I mean, Gobekli Tepe kinda blew up a lot of old archaeology ideas. When you have highly developed megalithic sites predating agriculture and civilization itself per long held ideas of dates it suggests that you might have basically everything wrong.
 
Look at the Declaration of Independence, not long ago, and how they took pride in their words and wrote beautifully and almost with perfection.
Go further back and see how crafty they were, how smart, how dedicated to everything they did. It doesn't trip me out to hear that ancient people were capable of creating things that to us appear to require fancy technology. We're a bunch of lazy idiots these days that rely on tech.
 
Yota Up said:
Look at the Declaration of Independence, not long ago, and how they took pride in their words and wrote beautifully and almost with perfection.
Go further back and see how crafty they were, how smart, how dedicated to everything they did. It doesn't trip me out to hear that ancient people were capable of creating things that to us appear to require fancy technology. We're a bunch of lazy idiots these days that rely on tech.
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Pride with words and nice handwriting are a bit different than feats of engineering. The engineering feats of those times you mention pale in comparison to today's yet we'd struggle to recreate some of the ancients' work even with today's technology.

My dad is a contractor and I help him out with stuff from time to time and the other day we were joking about how the ancients would've fired us on day one before we even hit the work site. Here we were installing a new door with our shims and caulk and shit ancients would've been like, "What in the FUCK are you two idiots doing? Why didn't you just build something yourself that fucking fits? And if you built that shit out of fucking rock it might last awhile."
 
east_beast said:
Listen, I'm not saying these guys are right. They could be wildly wrong. But at least they're trying a different approach rather than sticking with common narratives that just seem completely absurd. I mean, Gobekli Tepe kinda blew up a lot of old archaeology ideas. When you have highly developed megalithic sites predating agriculture and civilization itself per long held ideas of dates it suggests that you might have basically everything wrong.
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I think everything we believe is wrong. Well, not everything... but alot of things. You don't get the sphinx with a bunch of hunter gatherer slaves who are good with chisels.

Ground penetrating radar is changing history right before our eyes.
 
45acp said:
I think everything we believe is wrong. Well, not everything... but alot of things. You don't get the sphinx with a bunch of hunter gatherer slaves who are good with chisels.

Ground penetrating radar is changing history right before our eyes.
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That and LIDAR. Everywhere they've looked in the Amazon is absolutely littered with remnants of civilization.
 
Stuck said:
So how do they know when the vase was made? Let me guess they carbon dated the stone.

Imo 95% of the stuff on Rogans podcast is pure garbage and the guests are fucking nuts, again just my opinion. It just seems to have gotten dumber over the past few years. I quit watching.
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Factoring in the accepted error rate of course Carbon Dating, 3-5%, what do you find wrong about it.
 
east_beast said:
As wacky as thinking ancient people chipped massive stone obelisks weighing many tons to perfection with copper tools and then transported them many miles by rolling them on logs and pulling them with ropes?
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Yep. Except the part about copper used to cut rock. Not happening. No copper on Easter Isalnd, etc.

Think of timeless humanity, think of the eons of ingenuity, think of the responses evidencing intellect in the stuck Drone thread :flipoff2:
 
Stuck said:
So how do they know when the vase was made? Let me guess they carbon dated the stone.

Imo 95% of the stuff on Rogans podcast is pure garbage and the guests are fucking nuts, again just my opinion. It just seems to have gotten dumber over the past few years. I quit watching.
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I think your number is high.

I also know that if you leave a piece of machinery in the woods around here, you’ll have a hard time finding it in 10 years. Give it a thousand or two and it would be gone without a trace.
 
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Thefishguy77 said:
Factoring in the accepted error rate of course Carbon Dating, 3-5%, what do you find wrong about it.
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First, if you could carbon date stone it would tell you how old the stone is. Not when the vase was made. Whether the vase was made yesterday or 10k years ago. The carbon dating would theoretically be the same.

Second, well Ill let you figure that out.
 
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Stuck said:
First, if you could carbon date stone it would tell you how old the stone is. Not when the vase was made. Whether the vase was made yesterday or 10k years ago. The carbon dating would theoretically be the same.

Second, well Ill let you figure that out.
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As I posted just after I responded to you. You do realize they scrape the residue off many old items and CD it. Should at least get you in a time frame when it was used.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
As I posted just after I responded to you. You do realize they scrape the residue off many old items and CD it. Should at least get you in a time frame when it was used.
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I understand how carbon dating is used. Im also aware that many con artists have attempted to claim objects as antiquities using all sorts of techniques to try and fool modern scientific methods of dating.
 
Stuck said:
So how do they know when the vase was made? Let me guess they carbon dated the stone.

Imo 95% of the stuff on Rogans podcast is pure garbage and the guests are fucking nuts, again just my opinion. It just seems to have gotten dumber over the past few years. I quit watching.
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They don’t claim to know when the vase was made. They claim to know when it was found. Saying It was found in Egypt somewhere about 1600 years ago and is 1 of 50,000 of them. They also go into detail about how carbon dating works and how it’s not accurate. They don’t know how old it is or how primitive people supposedly made it. That’s the question they’re posing. Dude says the 6 and 5 thousand year old stuff in Egypt is a far better build quality than the stuff that was built 4 and 3 thousand years ago.
 
Was posting about this in another thread.
It's fair enough to claim rogans guests are quacks. (wether you actually listen to them or not :shaking:) That's a matter of opinion.

After spending 20 years behind a lathe bed/mill table I'm far more interested in the fact that someone managed to cut and bore these vases out of the hardest most brittle materials on earth down to a .040 thousands wall thickness while holding a .001 thou tolerance accross the board with multiple processes. All at a time when we were told they could barely lift a loin cloth to wipe their own ass with a copper chisel. If you think this sort of work is no big deal then let's fucking see you pull it off super dave.

Fact is we have been lied to our whole lives by clowns like Zahi Hawass and all his academic goons because they don't know shit about fuck but still claim to know the whole story while writing books about nonsense that set the agenda and discrediting anyone with a fresh idea. Oh and don't bother trying to debate these people. It's about as effective as having a discussion with a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum. No refutation of real data. Just name calling and slander from the establishment. Sound familiar??
 
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