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Im an idiot debating on a terribke finacial choice. Talon 100r

How do you like it? Have you had it our for a ride yet? Even though I bought and like my KRX, I still really think I would have liked a talon = honda reliability.
 
SHARPMACHINE said:
How do you like it? Have you had it our for a ride yet? Even though I bought and like my KRX, I still really think I would have liked a talon = honda reliability.
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Haven't gotten to take it out and actually put it through anything fun yet. Was a used machine that needed some love first. Both rear CVS were dry and popping like a mother fucker. Replaced those with Rhinos.

Fixed some of the worst wiring I've ever seen in my life and I work construction with 80% mexicans....

Cruised it around town a little and I like it way more than the krx and rzrs I've driven. Wife is basically in love with it.

Only complaint I've got so far is of the 10 parts stores and atv shops within an hour of my house absolutely no one has a replacement battery for it. Found a Crack in the battery and ended up having to order one off the web bc not even my local honda dealer had a replacement. Might end up building a tray under the hood or in the back to just use a standard car battery this winter. Oldest kid isn't a fan but now thinks she gets the tj all to herself which I'm not opposed to. Been letting her drive it more and more anyway.
 
Finally got to take the golf cart out. Definitely a different driving experience.

Complaints:
the auto mode is garbarge, the front diff is a joke even with the override switch.

Pros:
The manual mode works great,
Everything seems pretty stout, was in a couple spots that should've popped an axle but it took it in stride.
Suspension was hilariously smooth, for as much hate as the talons get for ride quality I've never rode in anything smoother offroad.
These tires get down with the program.
Incredibly stable offcamber.


Gonna have to buy the front locker and possibly a tuner, noticed it was a little down on power in low range.
I don't take pictures for fuck so I'll add more when the other fucktards send them. Overall, definitely worth the money just gonna take a few tweaks and sone getting used too.
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Definitely needs a locker and a few other upgrades before our trip to Windrock but damnit I'm actually really enjoying this little bastard. Contemplating on wether i want to do the internal gear reduction or just say fuck it and go to a 4" portal at the deepest reduction i can find.
 
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Definitely needs a locker and a few other upgrades before our trip to Windrock but damnit I'm actually really enjoying this little bastard. Contemplating on wether i want to do the internal gear reduction or just say fuck it and go to a 4" portal at the deepest reduction i can find.
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You don't want portals, they kill the ride/handling and require stupidly offset wheels to work unless you run 20s. Do the internal gear reduction and be done.
 
As far as tunes go..... PPEI is the only place you should get your tune from. There isn't much to gain tuning a bone stock engine but their DTC tune is a game changer.

KraftWerks or BC for a cam if you are looking for more power.

Torque Locker..... I know a few people that tried them and took them back out. The Talon is to light to unlock the diff and you end up driving around with it locked all the time and then it doesn't turn for shit. As you know, the I4wd is garbage.

Also..... The airbox design of the Talon sucks. The air intake is in the rear fender and it inhales lots of dust and clogs the air filter up quickly. The cure for that is a 10-80 Dirt Sports pre-filter setup. Swap in a new air filter when you install the pre-filter and never open the air box again. The prefilter catches everything and cleaning that is simple vs the air filter.

A SATV front frame stiffener is also a good idea. It ties all the lower control arm points together and really helps. I run one on my Talon and one on my KRX.
 
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SLOWPOKE693 said:
As far as tunes go..... PPEI is the only place you should get your tune from. There isn't much to gain tuning a bone stock engine but their DTC tune is a game changer.

KraftWerks or BC for a cam if you are looking for more power.

Torque Locker..... I know a few people that tried them and took them back out. The Talon is to light to unlock the diff and you end up driving around with it locked all the time and then it doesn't turn for shit. As you know, the I4wd is garbage.

Also..... The airbox design of the Talon sucks. The air intake is in the rear fender and it inhales lots of dust and clogs the air filter up quickly. The cure for that is a 10-80 Dirt Sports pre-filter setup. Swap in a new air filter when you install the pre-filter and never open the air box again. The prefilter catches everything and cleaning that is simple vs the air filter.

A SATV front frame stiffener is also a good idea. It ties all the lower control arm points together and really helps. I run one on my Talon and one on my KRX.
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I've got the frame stiffener already. I put in the super atv override switch as well but it doesn't seem to help much. I found out about the hess switch after the fact but idk anyway it could really make much difference.

The i4wd isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but still limited slip is gay. Brake adjusted limited slip is gayer.

Not really looking for more power or to go any faster just want low range to be deeper. We rarely ever get over 25mph anyway. Will have to look into the trans tunes though to see if it'll get rid of the blogging in low and reverse.
 
$2500 for 25% is insane.

25% is barely going to be noticeable. Just like going from 4.10s to 5.13s. It's not nothing, but it's not going to be a huge difference for that price.

4" portals have a 30% option. But at least you gain a ton of clearance and down stream reduction. Like slow said though, you're giving up a lot on the high speed side.
 
filthy_midget said:
I've got the frame stiffener already. I put in the super atv override switch as well but it doesn't seem to help much. I found out about the hess switch after the fact but idk anyway it could really make much difference.

The i4wd isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but still limited slip is gay. Brake adjusted limited slip is gayer.

Not really looking for more power or to go any faster just want low range to be deeper. We rarely ever get over 25mph anyway. Will have to look into the trans tunes though to see if it'll get rid of the blogging in low and reverse.
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The Hess switch doesn't do anything differently than your override switch now besides letting you choose between i4wd bypass or not. Both just energize the front diff clutch to lock it up and give you 4wd. We shut the I4WD off short course racing because it tends to make the car do weird things handling wise when your sliding around and going fast.

The PPEI trans tune fixes a lot of the shifting issues and makes the clutch engage quicker instead of slipping it forever like it does stock. Well worth the money in my opinion
 
YotaAtieToo said:
$2500 for 25% is insane.

25% is barely going to be noticeable. Just like going from 4.10s to 5.13s. It's not nothing, but it's not going to be a huge difference for that price.

4" portals have a 30% option. But at least you gain a ton of clearance and down stream reduction. Like slow said though, you're giving up a lot on the high speed side.
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That's kinda my thoughts. Like i said we didn't buy it to go fast. We cruise it at about 25mph on the speedo ( id bet was never corrected for 33s). If we're in the woods we don't have room for it. If we're traveling on roads we either have the kids with us or me and the old lady are drinking on field roads and I'm trying to get some outdoor action. Lol

Still though idk anyone running portals that isn't just a bog tard and don't know how much the steering will be affected. 4" portals and 35-37s would be tit's if it's not going to just destroy everything or make it miserable to drive.
 
dirtybird said:
I have the torq locker in mine and it bangs hard on any hard surface whether its in 4wd or not. Wheels way better though.
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Really, is it comparable to a lunchbox locker driving? Our tj just has a lunchbox in front and back and it's tolerable on road. You definitely notice it but the trade off is worth it.
 
filthy_midget said:
Still though idk anyone running portals that isn't just a bog tard and don't know how much the steering will be affected. 4" portals and 35-37s would be tit's if it's not going to just destroy everything or make it miserable to drive.
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If you want to run 35-37s just sell the Honda now, you will kill it.

I hate to say it but it sounds like you wanted a KRX.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Wtf did I say in the beginning :flipoff2:

Portals only have enough gearing to correct the 35s, so you'd need the reduction also.
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:lmao: yeah, i still can't get past the cvt and how top heavy they are. Funny enough my cousin that has a krx is debating on swapping it for a talon bc it climbs and sidehills better. Or going full retard and trying to copy the guy on 46s.

I figure if that Texas dude can run 40s without portals on a talon atleast I'm not the only autistic fucktard that likes doing things the hard way. He's got the lower low in the subtrans and the reduction boss for 40s.
 
I didn't even know about the sub trans low range only reduction.

I'd probably do that no matter what. Then there is no down side at all. From there you can decide if it's enough or go lower.

I don't get why honda made high and low so close. To me it felt like 2nd gear low was the same as first high. Like why not make it so you don't overlap gears till at least 4th.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I didn't even know about the sub trans low range only reduction.

I'd probably do that no matter what. Then there is no down side at all. From there you can decide if it's enough or go lower.

I don't get why honda made high and low so close. To me it felt like 2nd gear low was the same as first high. Like why not make it so you don't overlap gears till at least 4th.
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No kidding you'd think that a machine that has a dedicated low range and 6 speed would at minimum be 2 or 3:1. Adam brown has s low gear kit fir the sub that is 27% lower than stock and there's a reduction on reverse too but I don't remember that number. Planning on that one for sure when the dogs fuck up bc he sells upgraded dogs as well.
 
filthy_midget said:
No kidding you'd think that a machine that has a dedicated low range and 6 speed would at minimum be 2 or 3:1. Adam brown has s low gear kit fir the sub that is 27% lower than stock and there's a reduction on reverse too but I don't remember that number. Planning on that one for sure when the dogs fuck up bc he sells upgraded dogs as well.
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Good to see there is more support.

I still wonder about swapping in a pioneer front diff with the selectable locker.
 
Running wheels with a bunch of backspacing like 5+2 or 6+1 helps it turn better and an X rack can be swapped in for more steering angle if you dont mind limiting the front shock travel an inch or so.
 
filthy_midget said:
No kidding you'd think that a machine that has a dedicated low range and 6 speed would at minimum be 2 or 3:1. Adam brown has s low gear kit fir the sub that is 27% lower than stock and there's a reduction on reverse too but I don't remember that number. Planning on that one for sure when the dogs fuck up bc he sells upgraded dogs as well.
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Adam Brown is selling KraftWerks gear kits. You can buy them here:

Sub Trans Low Gear Set - ’19-’24 Honda Talon - KraftWerks USA

The Kraftwerks Sub Trans Low Gear Set for Honda Talons features an additional 27.5% increase in gear reduction in LOW gear, for more torque at the wheels.
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The subtrans is stupid simple to take apart and replace things in. I've had mine apart and it takes longer to get it out than it does to disassemble and reassemble the subtrans itself.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Good to see there is more support.

I still wonder about swapping in a pioneer front diff with the selectable locker.
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That would be tit's. I wonder how much of a pain that would be, curious if the splines are the same to run the same axles and extend the driveshaft.
 
filthy_midget said:
That would be tit's. I wonder how much of a pain that would be, curious if the splines are the same to run the same axles and extend the driveshaft.
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I looked into it a bit years ago and actually found the thread I made searching.

I guess the axles are different and the ratio from pioneer to talon is slightly different (not enough to matter imo)
 
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