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I like her.

evernoob said:
34:30, Justice Thomas swears ACB in

36:15, ACB's speech begins, I strongly recommend listening to it, it's short.

"It is the job of a Judge to resist her policy preferences. It would be a dereliction of duty for her to give in to them. Federal Judges don't stand for election, thus they have no basis for claiming that their preferences reflect those of the People.

This separation of duty from political preference is what makes the Judiciary distinct among the three branches of government. A judge declares independence, not only from Congress and the President, but also from the private beliefs that might otherwise move her. The Judicial Oath captures the essence of the Judicial Duty. The Rule of Law must always control.

My fellow Americans, even though we Judges don't face elections, we still work for you. It is your Constitution that establishes the Rule of Law, and the judicial independence that is so central to it."

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So two things:

I have heard local judges in my area get sworn in and their speeches are always very altruistic and rosey, but their actions later are very different. We'll see what happens down the road.

She doesn't seem like a horrible pick for supreme court judge to my liberal self. It seems like some lefties would be mad at any nominee Trump picked, when in reality she seems like a pretty good compromise.
 
Harry Johnson said:
So two things:

I have heard local judges in my area get sworn in and their speeches are always very altruistic and rosey, but their actions later are very different. We'll see what happens down the road.

She doesn't seem like a horrible pick for supreme court judge to my liberal self. It seems like some lefties would be mad at any nominee Trump picked, when in reality she seems like a pretty good compromise.
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That's why I posted as I did. Different people definitely view COTUS differently. All you have to do is listen to all the different views on what the 2nd A means. That doesn't mean that any of those people don't care about COTUS.
 
Harry Johnson said:
So two things:

I have heard local judges in my area get sworn in and their speeches are always very altruistic and rosey, but their actions later are very different. We'll see what happens down the road.

She doesn't seem like a horrible pick for supreme court judge to my liberal self. It seems like some lefties would be mad at any nominee Trump picked, when in reality she seems like a pretty good compromise.
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Hopefully she overturns Roe V Wade, Brown v. Board of Education, LBGTQ rights, DACA, and the Affordable Care Act like Democrats and liberals say she will so they can be correct about these things and Trump's legacy of being a racist President lives on.
 
RunningProblem said:
Hopefully she overturns Roe V Wade, Brown v. Board of Education, LBGTQ rights, DACA, and the Affordable Care Act like Democrats and liberals say she will so they can be correct about these things and Trump's legacy of being a racist President lives on.
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I see what you did there. DACA could be in danger for sure.
 
Harry Johnson said:
I see what you did there. DACA could be in danger for sure.
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the problem is, DACA has already been destroyed by EO, serious immigration reform is needed through congress. the current window with hammer holes all through it from several decades of minor shifts is a mess.

same thing with ACA, people say "the individual mandate must go" and the question was, that roberts wrongly decided because he felt the courts didn't exist to protect the people from their elected officials, can the ACA exist or suvive without the mandate? Well, the penalty for the mandate has been $0 for a couple years and, hopefully, was never highly complied with in any case. In that sense, we can plainly say "yes, the miserable situation of the ACA can and has survived without the individual mandate".

so the ACA is a pretty mute argument as well.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
Thanks for proving my point. All you're doing is speculating, using your personal bias as a filter. What I see is you feeling they don't care about COTUS because they see it differently than you.
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Jp asked you if you thought Obama's judges thought that way. Your response implied an opinion would be pure speculation. I responded that's not really true you can see what they have done and read what they have written.
So what point of yours did I prove?
where did I speculate?
Where did I show my bias, I didn't even give an opinion.
 
Harry Johnson said:
I see what you did there. DACA could be in danger for sure.
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DACA isn't going anywhere. It's a Executive Order treated as a law and repealing it has already been prevented. The smartest thing Donald Trump could have done was to push for them to become citizens. It would have pissed EVERYONE off.


Provience The fine was actually less expensive than having insurance for a friend of mine. For three years. Now he's part of some church health group where they pay money each month and when someone needs a medical procedure the group pays for it. Sounds like a scam to me. I just laughed when he told me "it's actually cheaper to pay the fine than have insurance."
 
RunningProblem said:
DACA isn't going anywhere. It's a Executive Order treated as a law and repealing it has already been prevented. The smartest thing Donald Trump could have done was to push for them to become citizens. It would have pissed EVERYONE off.


Provience The fine was actually less expensive than having insurance for a friend of mine. For three years. Now he's part of some church health group where they pay money each month and when someone needs a medical procedure the group pays for it. Sounds like a scam to me. I just laughed when he told me "it's actually cheaper to pay the fine than have insurance."
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Last I heard, DACA got shot down because the Trump administration's premise for removing it was not sound. That leaves the door open for someone (Trump admin included) to make a better case as to why it should be removed.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Last I heard, DACA got shot down because the Trump administration's premise for removing it was not sound. That leaves the door open for someone (Trump admin included) to make a better case as to why it should be removed.
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Because it's not LAW , it's a EO and can be tossed at the President's whim , let's run it thru SCOTUS again and see how it goes now. :flipoff2:
 
Harry Johnson said:
Last I heard, DACA got shot down because the Trump administration's premise for removing it was not sound. That leaves the door open for someone (Trump admin included) to make a better case as to why it should be removed.
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It won't be removed. Ever. It's going to be treated as law for eternity because somewhere some judge will determine the Republican President trying to overturn DACA doesn't have the authority because DACA has existed beyond President Obama's time in office and therefore cannot be undone. The door is shut. IF Trump wins re-election he should seriously make them citizens during the mid-term elections just to piss people off on his way out.
 
Provience said:
my biggest concern about her from the senate questioning was that she seems very timid on enforcing the constitution over congress. a few times, she basically said "well, if the people want the law, represented by congress passing it, then it should be remedied in congress and not in the courts"

i.e. i don't see her taking a stand against the NFA for being wholly unconstitutional because "the people" voted for it
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I don't think that she means that congress can violate the COTUS... She's 100% correct in that the courts should not fix laws by fiat... like they did with the ACA
 
Provience said:
the problem is, DACA has already been destroyed by EO, serious immigration reform is needed through congress. the current window with hammer holes all through it from several decades of minor shifts is a mess.
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EO was essentially blocked, was it not?

same thing with ACA, people say "the individual mandate must go" and the question was, that roberts wrongly decided because he felt the courts didn't exist to protect the people from their elected officials, can the ACA exist or suvive without the mandate? Well, the penalty for the mandate has been $0 for a couple years and, hopefully, was never highly complied with in any case. In that sense, we can plainly say "yes, the miserable situation of the ACA can and has survived without the individual mandate".

so the ACA is a pretty mute argument as well.
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ACA was never supposed to survive. Ever notice how those same folks who now decry the potential ending of ACA are also the ones who are pushing medicaid for all? ACA isn't a healthcare bill - it is/was a tax bill.
 
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rockota said:
EO was essentially blocked, was it not?

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same thing with ACA, people say "the individual mandate must go" and the question was, that roberts wrongly decided because he felt the courts didn't exist to protect the people from their elected officials, can the ACA exist or suvive without the mandate? Well, the penalty for the mandate has been $0 for a couple years and, hopefully, was never highly complied with in any case. In that sense, we can plainly say "yes, the miserable situation of the ACA can and has survived without the individual mandate".

so the ACA is a pretty mute argument as well.
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ACA was never supposed to survive. Ever notice how those same folks who now decry the potential ending of ACA are also the ones who are pushing medicaid for all? ACA isn't a healthcare bill - it is/was a tax bill.


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Mute ? do you mean moot ? :rolleyes:
 
Mr.Ratbastard said:
I think what you hear is her dumbing down her answers for the idiots interviewing her, like speaking to a small child.
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Missed it. It's not what she says or how she says it, it's her tone and lack of inflection. The voice. That, voice. Think arrested development...
 
Splib said:
As far as I know, you haven't mentioned being a parent. Or being a teacher except that you banged yours in HS :lmao: What makes you so keen as to the psychological tenor of an 11 yo pre-pubescent woman ?? Just making an observation :flipoff2:
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Friends are so alarmin'
And my love is never charmin'
Life's just a cocktail party on the street...
Big app, people dressed in plastic bags
Directing traffic, some kind of fashion, shattered...

Laughter, joy, and loneliness
And sex and sex and sex and sex and...
Look at ME! I'm in tatters
I'm a shattered, shattered...

All this chitter-chatter
Chitter-chatter, chitter-chatter 'bout,
Shmatta shmatta shmatta...
I can't give it AWAY on 7th Avenue!
This town's been wearin' tatters, aha...


KNOW what I'm sayin' mang? :flipoff2:

And you would not be correct. Of all people YOU can see the arrest, hear the trauma, spot the age will ya' - I'm going with 8-11 in that "mommy I want more syrup on my pancakes" voice. She's got a tell from her pre-sexualized years and I know you hear it. Fkg any adult male with inate ability can hear it. You can too... :laughing: Adult females just don't grow up carrying the 11yo voice without something obvious (to some) connecting it to childhood incidences.

Weren't you trapped in a pile of boulders as a young kid? Had to work that out as an adult so you studied geology dreaming of becoming a lapidary scholar? That's right.

Grapple them rocks, cup thine balls, polish those gemstones. :flipoff2: :lmao: :lmao:

Just fkg with ya, neandert Hal.
 
Nicely done !!! Started out Screwzer, then got a little looser.
Hated that song by the way. Better than Disco and Boy George at any rate but just barely.
And I had two bigger brothers kickin my ass until I got bigger.

Here's some Stones for ya boy :laughing: Might be yer callin, I dunno

Prodigal Son

Well, a poor boy took his father's bread and started down the road
Started down the road
Took all he had and started down the road
Going out in this world, where God only knows
And that'll be the way to get along

Well, poor boy spent all he had, famine come in the land
Famine come in the land
Spent all he had, and famine come in the land
Said, "I believe I'll go and hire me to some man
And that'll be the way I'll get along"

Well, man said, "I'll give you a job for to feed my swine
For to feed my swine
I'll give you a job for to feed my swine"
Boy stood there and hung his head and cried
Because that is no way to get along

Said, "I believe I'll ride, believe I'll go back home
Believe I'll go back home
Believe I'll ride, believe I'll go back home
Or down the road as far as I can go"
And that'll be the way to get along

Well, father said, "See my son coming after me
Coming home to me"
Father ran and fell down on his knees
Said, "Sing and praise, Lord have mercy on me
Mercy"

Oh, poor boy stood there, hung his head and cried
Hung his head and cried
Poor boy stood and hung his head and cried
Said, "Father will you look on me as a child?"
Yeah

Well, father said, "Eldest son, kill the fatted calf
Call the family round
Kill that calf and call the family round
My son was lost but now he is found
Because that's the way for us to get along"
Hey

:flipoff2:
 
Splib said:
Nicely done !!! Started out Screwzer, then got a little looser.
Hated that song by the way. Better than Disco and Boy George at any rate but just barely.
And I had two bigger brothers kickin my ass until I got bigger.

Hey

:flipoff2:
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da FK back on track, preemie.

Do you hear the harmed child in that woman's voice? It's a constant. Not innuendo, nor inflection, not vague even in the slightest. It's very prominent.
 
rockota said:
EO was essentially blocked, was it not?



ACA was never supposed to survive. Ever notice how those same folks who now decry the potential ending of ACA are also the ones who are pushing medicaid for all? ACA isn't a healthcare bill - it is/was a tax bill.
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don't believe the EO was ended, trump did reverse some of the kids in cages stuff and removed a bunch of the unaccompanied minor incentives.

I agree that ACA was written intentionally to fial
 
Provience said:
I agree that ACA was written intentionally to fial
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I wasn't intended to fail, it was intended to destroy the free market medical economy. This would allow the next Democrat president to push in 100% government run healthcare. It was gutted just enough by Trump to be somewhat viable on its own. The market and people have adjusted to the higher costs.

Now it could go either way depending on who is running the show the next 4 years.
 
jpmassey said:
I wasn't intended to fail, it was intended to destroy the free market medical economy. This would allow the next Democrat president to push in 100% government run healthcare. It was gutted just enough by Trump to be somewhat viable on its own. The market and people have adjusted to the higher costs.

Now it could go either way depending on who is running the show the next 4 years.
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pushing people to 100% gov run health care would be a failure of the ACA. as written, it allows private options, but does so in such a way that it makes the horrid public option seem "easy" even if it is worse.

so we are both saying the same thing :rasta:
 
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