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when I bought this current house, I only ever got pre-approved for what I was putting an offer in. Didn't ever get a "here is your MAX preapproval!" letter.
Similar for me. I have a friend who is a realtor and I've seen her post "Don't bother with buyers that don't have a pre-approval letter". That is bullshit.

As a buyer who knows their own finances, I don't want to go through the effort of getting a approval letter unless I know I am going to be buying the place. The couple times I got a letter I said I needed it for X amount. I didn't need the seller knowing I qualify for $50,000 over asking.

If you need a bank to tell you how much money you should spend on a house, you shouldn't be buying a house. A banks job is to lend as much money as possible at the highest interest rate while avoiding risk.
 
how did you find out what they were approved for "max" ?

when I bought this current house, I only ever got pre-approved for what I was putting an offer in. Didn't ever get a "here is your MAX preapproval!" letter.
We were sent their letter of approval for whatever reason.
 
We were sent their letter of approval for whatever reason.
ah, yeah. don't put any faith in that. our realtor had a hardon about sending over those letters with the offer to "prove" we were good for it. Every house we offered, from 130k-250k, the letter always showed only exactly what was on the offer. Far as I can figure, it "proves" to the seller that we are making our max best offer, but really it just says we have generally funding in place for the offer.
 
ah, yeah. don't put any faith in that. our realtor had a hardon about sending over those letters with the offer to "prove" we were good for it. Every house we offered, from 130k-250k, the letter always showed only exactly what was on the offer. Far as I can figure, it "proves" to the seller that we are making our max best offer, but really it just says we have generally funding in place for the offer.
I just looked at it, its a pre-qual letter dated before our house was even on the market.
 
That modest house here is $400k. We sold our 3/2 1500sqft 1983 with no updating for $390k. Similar homes in our neighborhood were going for $380-460k depending on updating.

ours was $300 fresh flip about 8yrs ago, house next store sold for $550ish at end of 2021.

real estate as a market is fundamentally retarded in valuations that are pulled from thin air. just because i was curious i did the math on what the neighbors mortgage would cost me, and it would have large impact on our budget, would could probably make it happen but it would not be pleasant.
 
We Buy Houses signs hanging up everywhere?

Read up on Blackrock buying up properties over listing and renting them out in an effort to control the housing markets in certain areas.

Also printing funny money, giving certain corperations (blackrock?) no interest loans and raising interest rates on private homebuyers has nothing to do with it.

#2 30% of all houses are being bought by our federal government. Thats right, theres a 30% chance when you go to buy a house you will be bidding against your own tax dollars. "What?? How does that work??" You might ask. Well, have you heard of black rock? Well they are a massive equity fund that is shoring up treasury dollars into "assets". It just happens that now they are shoring up your tax dollars, using 0% interest government loans, into "real estate". So the government is using your tax dollars to make you poor and force you into a lifetime of renting. A "rental class" as you might call it. You might say "Wow, doesnt that hurt the American people in the long run? Because home ownership has been historically the #1 way Americans go from low-middle class to upper-middle class in their lifetime?" And the answer is, they dont give a fuck about you. Our government does not care one fucking iota about you. They want you renting, leasing, voting for the oglirachy, scared, buying groceries off amazon and wasting your extra money on fucko-pops or marvel toys. Fuck you.

The number of "cash offer" people out there is just ridiculous. I just got yet another scam-call to make an offer on my house I just sold 2 weeks ago. The sad thing is while we had it up for sale, I would get 4-5 calls per week to "make an offer." I followed up with a couple just to see what they were offering ("who knows," I thought, "maybe they'll be close to our asking price"). House was on the market for $600k; their "offer" was less than $400k. I still got calls even when the MLS listing changed to "sale pending" and I'm still getting calls after it has sold.

That house was on the "outskirts" of town, so it wasn't as hot as some of the houses closer to or in the city, but we still sold it for almost double what we paid for it 3 years ago.

I used to be "kind" to the people making the calls (it's just their job, whatever), but after getting the same call from the same person 4 days in a row I made sure that they'd remember my phone number and skip over it when they got their daily list. That lasted about a week, now I have a new person calling.

It's not just Black Rock, a lot of corporations are hedging against inflation by investing in real-estate via REITs or other Real-Estate based investment companies. This is creating an artificial increase in demand and while individuals must get loans from mortgage companies, corporations are investing capital (cash) they already have. I think that the low-ballers are investment firms that aren't interested in renting the properties out, just acquiring property that they can sell to another investor (house flipper) when they want and paying bottom dollar for a home that already needs work is lower risk than buying a nice home that'll sit empty and deteriorate into needed work.

Meanwhile this will all come to a head eventually and the bubble will pop. What will happen with these .gov backed entities (and other investment co's that are "renting" out their properties) when that happens? "Oh, no, Blackrock is too big to fail; too many people rent from Black Rock, the .gov must step in and save them so these people don't end up homeless." Boom: instant socialized housing.

"You'll own nothing and like it" anyone?
 
Went and looked at some houses today. My current house is fine but we are packed pretty tight and could use some more space. I bought my house for 60K in 09 and the houses in the neighborhood are going for 300k plus now. North metro Atlanta. Seems like almost all investors coming in and people are cashing out left and right.

I thought about keeping this house and renting it out and buying another. 500K doesnt get me much more than what I got now so I may sell to use the equity on next purchase. Also thought about riding it out here and buying some land. Once the land is paid off will sell the house and build.
 

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You got the wrong degree, and/or were complacent if you are still making 75k 5 yr out of school right now.

I know because I am realizing this first hand right now. 10+ yr ME experience job hunting over the last 6 mo yielded 3 offers all under 90k

My brother got his EE degree specializing in controls in January. First job right out of college 110k, he will probably be making double what I do in 5 years unless I step it up and learn controls. Not that I think college is the way to go these days but that's another topic.

Despite what we early millennials were told, a degree doesn't guarantee you success. The game is fucked up... but you still have to play it
If your degree ends in “engineering “ you’re gonna make a truckload of money .
 
real estate as a market is fundamentally retarded in valuations that are pulled from thin air.

Not really. The valuations are straight competitive analysis from your zip code, your city, your section of town, and your immediate block.

Comps talk, bullshit walks. That's why it's still important to buy the worst house on the best block if you already know when you plan on getting out before you even get in.
 
When we bought our hoise in 2001 the interest rate was 9%
 
The valuations are straight competitive analysis from your zip code, your city, your section of town, and your immediate block.

agreed, which depending things could all be manipulated. how does my house double in 'value' in 8yrs, comps driving the prices up. my house increasing in value does nothing for me because i need somewhere to live, leveling up means more mortgage and cost of living.
 
agreed, which depending things could all be manipulated. how does my house double in 'value' in 8yrs, comps driving the prices up. my house increasing in value does nothing for me because i need somewhere to live, leveling up means more mortgage and cost of living.

Sideways real estate moves are something that keeps most 1st time homeowners locked in for longer than they want to stay.

Which, prompts people to bail out of state if that state is California. :hot:
 
agreed, which depending things could all be manipulated. how does my house double in 'value' in 8yrs, comps driving the prices up. my house increasing in value does nothing for me because i need somewhere to live, leveling up means more mortgage and cost of living.
House is just another credit card is all, sell your current house to yourself
 
how did you find out what they were approved for "max" ?

when I bought this current house, I only ever got pre-approved for what I was putting an offer in. Didn't ever get a "here is your MAX preapproval!" letter.
The bank approved me for WAY more than I could afford.
 
Career is just a way to pay mortgage payments, all the real money ive made in life came from buying and selling real estate. Tax free:smokin:
This is a sad but true statement.

My house value has gone up more in the last eight years than I’ve made after taxes at my job .

The folks I feel sorry for are the ones that don’t already own property .

Looked at a nearby house two years ago for a possible fix and flip , it was for sale for over a year for $240k
I passed on it .

Someone finally bought it and did new windows hvac roof etc and it just sold for $600k
 
The bank approved me for WAY more than I could afford.

I spent like 1/4 what I was approved for. I can see how people who have little concept of money get in trouble and go house poor. In hindsight, with how inflation is going and the low rate I got, I wish I spent a lot more.
 
If your degree ends in “engineering “ you’re gonna make a truckload of money .
Not necessarily, especially if you got the wrong one and/or are lazy/complacent

Example: I’m a 10+ yr experience mech engineer here and I would not be able to re-buy my current house today
 
Drove from Louisville to fl, fl to nc mostly state routes, for being in a housing shortage I saw a lot of abandoned looking houses along the way with no for sale signs :confused:

Also a shitload of new construction.
 
Not necessarily, especially if you got the wrong one and/or are lazy/complacent

Example: I’m a 10+ yr experience mech engineer here and I would not be able to re-buy my current house today
The environmental engineers and geologists I know are all making $100k within five years of graduation .
Some of them at work from home jobs .

And if they are not , they could be if they would job hop a couple of times.

But I also know an accountant that’s earning $150k

I don’t have a degree so I’ve hit the glass ceiling way below a hundred .
But I also don’t have to work that hard either , , so im happy with it .
 
Drove from Louisville to fl, fl to nc mostly state routes, for being in a housing shortage I saw a lot of abandoned looking houses along the way with no for sale signs :confused:

Also a shitload of new construction.
In rural areas the houses ain’t worth anything .
Everyone bitching and crying on Reddit about the price of houses lives in a big city.
 
In rural areas the houses ain’t worth anything .
Everyone bitching and crying on Reddit about the price of houses lives in a big city.

Exactly.


The small near me has a lot of history with textile mills. Lots of older mill homes around - usally 900-1400 sf or so. Zillow currently shows 35 homes for sale under $150k. You can get one of those, fully remodeled for around that. You can still get fixer-uppers for $40k.
 
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