Has anyone got a 2024 taco with the manual 6 speed?

[Aggie06]

but God damn they are all piles of shit these days

That’s a fact. It’s a crap shoot no matter what brand you buy.

 

[350TacoZilla]

They certainly all have problems but how they deal with them matters too.
Broncos were locking up the engines and ford kept denying there was an issue on their end for what a year? Along with tierods breaking on fords own 4x4 outing, just like the raptors bending the frame during the ford 4x4 events then telling people its from abuse .
Chevy eating lifters, ford 7.3's making glitter on the 1st or second oil change and wiping out the bearings.
Ram electrical and turbo problems then of course the auto trans problems.
As long as a company stands behind their product and make it right I can see putting up with teething problems on a all new redesign. If the tundra motors really had junk in the passageways then that is going to wipe bearings, all kinda one problem not a second issue.

We had a frame replaced on a tacoma we bought used that was like 10yr out of warranty and it cost us $0 and we had the truck back in 3 days and had a rental for those 3 days. I'm not sure if it comes through there but when we bought the truck the frame was fine, we then drove it for a few years and got the recall in mail and when we took it in they replaced the frame. I didn't want it to sound like we bought a truck with a bad frame and took it in to get repaired. My FIL had one where they were doing the buy back instead of the replacement and they gave him something like 125% of the retail value on truck and I think it was like 14yr old at that point so he almost missed the window to do recall.

 

[pinchegringo]

They send me a letter once a week trying to get my old tundra trade in. I can't help but think how long it takes to replace all those engines vs how many are sitting broken.
They say it's only 100k engines but it spans several production years making me think they're sugar coating how bad it really is.
Ultimately I won't drive anything 18 or newer simply because of privacy concerns and how the new production is basically a giant moving people monitor downloading all kinds of crazy shit. And the complexity of modern cars is degrading exponentially which impacts long term reliability.

 

[pinchegringo]

And if you're concerned with your 3.5 cut the filter open and look for glitter.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Ultimately I won't drive anything 18 or newer

what changed in '18?

 

[Thumping]

 

[Skinny]

I wouldn't buy a single new vehicle that I can't plug my HP Tuner into and delete all the absolute abortion the manufacturer puts in like:
-cylinder deactivation
-retard level shift strategies
-thousands of trouble codes that do nothing but put you into limp mode because you may be polluting but are now stranded on the side of the road
-torque converter lockup in low gears
-torque converter lockup that isn't fully locked up

Fuck all that noise. Just because the manufacturers need to do all this shit for compliance doesn't mean I want any of it. So when the aftermarket comes in I'm a buyer. Till then fuck car makers, the dealerships, and the retards that work there.

Also they are just built like shit. Go ahead and try to tune up a modern car. The fucking coil pack wires are rachet strap tight. Motherfuckers can't even give you an extra half inch of wire so you can actually unclip it. That is how your entire truck is built.

 

[Snowy]

Sounds like a bunch of boomers that said that there's no way EFI will ever replace carbs and points.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

Sounds like a bunch of boomers that said that there's no way EFI will ever replace carbs and points.

Because some of the first efi systems were worse than carbs.

It's like anything, it sucks when they first come out with it, mostly because they're being mandated into all this bs. But usually after a while, they figure it out.

 

[Skinny]

Sounds like a bunch of boomers that said that there's no way EFI will ever replace carbs and points.

That's an irrelevant argument considering every point that I made is a common issue that even the manufacturers can't solve under their own warranty or processes.

 

[vegask]

FIL has a 23 tundra with around 40k on it. Hasn’t had any issues other than the cheap seat trim cracking and the fuel line recall. I will say at least Toyota is fixing problems. Chevy is still letting truck eat lifters.

Interiors in all the new Toyota's is garbage. Everything that is made out of plastic moves if you push on it. The interior in my 97 will probably outlast my 23 Tundra.

 

[Snowy]

Because some of the first efi systems were worse than carbs.

It's like anything, it sucks when they first come out with it, mostly because they're being mandated into all this bs. But usually after a while, they figure it out.

I mean Chrysler was spec-ing 3 speed autos in TJ’s through 02. Does that mean they were behind of the tech curve or just having things figured out?


I do get what you’re saying and there was certainly some garbage EFI to start. I’m just not convinced that lockup torque converters and auto stop start is that big of a tech jump at this point in time

 

[YotaAtieToo]

I mean Chrysler was spec-ing 3 speed autos in TJ’s through 02. Does that mean they were behind of the tech curve or just having things figured out?

Good question. I'd say some of those early OD trans were junk, so maybe?

Although the aw4 was bomb proof and came in the XJ but nothing else?

I do get what you’re saying and there was certainly some garbage EFI to start. I’m just not convinced that lockup torque converters and auto stop start is that big of a tech jump at this point in time

What am I missing about the lock up converters? I always thought that was a good thing.

 

[Snowy]

Good question. I'd say some of those early OD trans were junk, so maybe?

Although the aw4 was bomb proof and came in the XJ but nothing else?



What am I missing about the lock up converters? I always thought that was a good thing.

It is a good thing, that's why I don't understand why some folks are in a fuss about new stuff having lockup.

I'm sure it's the same people that bemoaned autos and called them slushboxes compared to manual's, and now complain that they made the auto behave more similarly to a manual with lockup in pretty much all gears.

 

[Chkn]

It is a good thing, that's why I don't understand why some folks are in a fuss about new stuff having lockup.

I'm sure it's the same people that bemoaned autos and called them slushboxes compared to manual's, and now complain that they made the auto behave more similarly to a manual with lockup in pretty much all gears.

I think the largest complaints are from the software controlling the lockup. Toyota A750 with 200K miles I wouldn’t be afraid to swap into anything. A Chevy with 6L80 at 200k miles scares me because Chevy specs slip with the TCC locked when Toyota does not.

 

[Skinny]

I think you are missing the point. It's not the fact that the converter locks up. I'm sure they had issues when that came out back in the 80's.

It's that the manufacturers now are trying to eek out the last drop of economy so they get a bright idea of locking the converter in lower gears. Also not completely locking it up.

This creates shuddering, wear, and premature failure...most likely happening outside of warranty or inside but them kicking to the curb till you get out.

Manufacturers never learned that shifting gears requiring more then one clutch or brake application is simply too difficult and just can never be programmed right. So what did they do? Add more fucking gears. Brilliant...

Ok one more great point, have you looked at the engine bay of a new vehicle with the engine cover removed? New Tacoma engine is an abortion like an early 80s over-smogged electronic carburetor disaster. It will be a throw away truck because there will never be a cost effective means of maintaining something so poorly assembled and complex once the truck isn't worth anything.

The 2.7 Eco in my last F150 puked right out of warranty at 105k miles. Fucking book time is 25 hours to replace the $12k long block requiring cab removal. Tell me again how well these are made and will be around for decades?

 

[YotaAtieToo]

I think you are missing the point. It's not the fact that the converter locks up. I'm sure they had issues when that came out back in the 80's.

It's that the manufacturers now are trying to eek out the last drop of economy so they get a bright idea of locking the converter in lower gears. Also not completely locking it up.

This creates shuddering, wear, and premature failure...most likely happening outside of warranty or inside but them kicking to the curb till you get out.

Manufacturers never learned that shifting gears requiring more then one clutch or brake application is simply too difficult and just can never be programmed right. So what did they do? Add more fucking gears. Brilliant...

Ok one more great point, have you looked at the engine bay of a new vehicle with the engine cover removed? New Tacoma engine is an abortion like an early 80s over-smogged electronic carburetor disaster. It will be a throw away truck because there will never be a cost effective means of maintaining something so poorly assembled and complex once the truck isn't worth anything.

The timing of this is funny. Was in a 23 chebby 2500 today diesel/10spd. Decided it only liked 4th, 5th or 6th gear(doesn't show on the display) , threw a code and went into limp mode and wouldn't shift. Later it banged some gears, back to mono speed, then worked fine on the way home.

The 2.7 Eco in my last F150 puked right out of warranty at 105k miles. Fucking book time is 25 hours to replace the $12k long block requiring cab removal. Tell me again how well these are made and will be around for decades?

That does suck, and I doubt ford was jumping to do a goodwill warranty.

I do know of a lot of ecoboosts lasting until high 2xxk or more. Mostly fleet rigs, so not like the owners is jumping on the internet to report.

Everything I've read says they are no less reliable than the same year hemi or gm V8. Ours has 135k and has towed a fair amount for what it is. I am tempted to just keep it to see how long it lasts. If I have to do 1 timing chain set to make it to 250k,i wouldn't be upset at all. It's a great all around truck and would absolutely blow the 6.0/4l80e I had out of the water in every way, while using half the fuel.

 

[Chkn]

Ok one more great point, have you looked at the engine bay of a new vehicle with the engine cover removed? New Tacoma engine is an abortion like an early 80s over-smogged electronic carburetor disaster. It will be a throw away truck because there will never be a cost effective means of maintaining something so poorly assembled and complex once the truck isn't worth anything.

Which engine are you referring to?
2.7 I4 was only port injected and fairly unchanged since 07 ish.
3.5 V6 is a solid motor but kind of a pain.
2.4 Turbo seems solid so far. Direct injectors are easier to service than the 3.5 V6.

 

[Skinny]

Oh wait a 10 speed acting up, you don't say? 😭

You have one job which is to swap cogs...

My older 3.5 Eco made it 130k trouble free until the dealer stripped the drain plug. Wife called and said the truck is reading low oil pressure. So that one died in great shape.

Second F150 2.7 Eco died right outta warranty. Bulletin for basically a new engine with the code and symptoms that I had. Of course since it made it to 100k go pound some fucking sand.

Third one is a 23' F150 3.5 Eco. Already misfires randomly, dealer couldn't duplicate, said it was tire balance, Ford has a bulletin for bad coils doing exactly what the truck is doing with no trouble codes. But since the dealer tard won't fix it...gonna go pound sand again.

The Tacoma engine lineup since 95 has been pretty solid. Nothing stellar but solid. RZ engines had some vacuum shit but they seemed to last.

The 4.0 wasn't bad but it had smog equipment that was uber expensive to replace, failure prone, and cuz Toyota sucks the EPA dick would put you into limp mode.

3.5 I don't think is terrible but it's a car engine and sucks in general to drive unless you use your truck to just drive itself around unloaded. Even then it suffers from poor performance and economy.

The new 2.4 is terrible. Looks like spaghetti mess. Just like the Ranger Ecoboost. Miles of gizmo valves, plumbing, and harness wrapped on everything.

Everything has its faults, nothing is perfect. But these vehicles have gone off the map in complexity and price. They've done nothing for reliability and cost of ownership.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

I don't get the 3rz love, every person I know personally with a 3rz has blown it or burned a valve. Then on top of that, they're super hard to find a replacement donor............. coincidence?

I mean, to be fair, they usually seem to make it to 200k+ but I don't think they're as good as everyone says.

 

[rockota]

I don't get the 3rz love, every person I know personally with a 3rz has blown it or burned a valve. Then on top of that, they're super hard to find a replacement donor............. coincidence?

I mean, to be fair, they usually seem to make it to 200k+ but I don't think they're as good as everyone says.

owning my first 3rz ever...

They are loud. Seem to make good power (well...with Haltech and supercharger)... but they are loud.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

owning my first 3rz ever...

They are loud. Seem to make good power (well...with Haltech and supercharger)... but they are loud.

I know they work great as a wheeler engine. Pretty decent grunt for a 4cyl, but mostly just easy to adapt to a w56.

Just seems like every single person I can think of who owned one, either burnt a valve or put a rod through the block. Then when you need a replacement, they're impossible to find. Then you find one and it's the wrong configuration because even 95-04 they had 3 different 3rz's plus I don't even know about the 2rz.

 

[Slander]

3.4 is peak Tacoma motor

 

[rockota]

I know they work great as a wheeler engine. Pretty decent grunt for a 4cyl, but mostly just easy to adapt to a w56.

Just seems like every single person I can think of who owned one, either burnt a valve or put a rod through the block. Then when you need a replacement, they're impossible to find. Then you find one and it's the wrong configuration because even 95-04 they had 3 different 3rz's plus I don't even know about the 2rz.

well.... this one is a brand new $15k buid.... with receipts.

 

[tsomctl]

I know they work great as a wheeler engine. Pretty decent grunt for a 4cyl, but mostly just easy to adapt to a w56.

Just seems like every single person I can think of who owned one, either burnt a valve or put a rod through the block. Then when you need a replacement, they're impossible to find. Then you find one and it's the wrong configuration because even 95-04 they had 3 different 3rz's plus I don't even know about the 2rz.

They burn a valve because people don't adjust the valve clearance (it isn't easy, it's shim over bucket).

I've never heard of a rod through the block. I've personally driven one with a spun rod bearing for over 50 miles. Fucker knocked like crazy, but still ran. I finally called a tow truck when it had so much internal friction, I couldn't keep it running.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

3.4 is peak Tacoma motor

Ya, I gotta agree, I never thought they were anything special, but after owning one from 200-350k miles, I'm a fan. It's "enough" power for a trail rig, or easy to add a bit more with a little boost.

well.... this one is a brand new $15k buid.... with receipts.

Hmmmm

Make sure to adjust the valves every oil change

 

[Skinny]

They were nothing special but got the job done. Along with the first gen Tundra platform. The 4.7 was a great truck. Not exactly a diesel Hilux but it was just a great truck period. Sounded good, looked good, just worked.

 

[Aisin]

They were nothing special but got the job done. Along with the first gen Tundra platform. The 4.7 was a great truck. Not exactly a diesel Hilux but it was just a great truck period. Sounded good, looked good, just worked.

After driving multiple diesel Toyotas in the middle east I’d take a 22RE over a Toyota 2L all day long.

 

[YotaAtieToo]

After driving multiple diesel Toyotas in the middle east I’d take a 22RE over a Toyota 2L all day long.

I've heard that a lot. US guys all drool over the diesels, while most guys everywhere else are swapping them out

 

[Aisin]

I've heard that a lot. US guys all drool over the diesels, while most guys everywhere else are swapping them out

Yep. The guys wanting a Toyota diesel have never actually driven one. They are fucking turds.