Has anyone got a 2024 taco with the manual 6 speed?

I made that statement more from just a simplicity standpoint then performance. I don't think anything other than a 2UZ was a performer.

I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to swap in an 80s Toyota diesel into anything. I swapped a 5VZ into an older 4Runner. Spent a lot of time and money, never really was impressed with how it went. Great engine though. Simple pimple, easy to work on, got the job done.

As I've gotten older I've become more of a fan of displacement. I have an 8.1 in my square Suburban im very happy with. I have a 5.7 in my S10. While that isn't exactly a race truck it goes good, is easy to work on, and everything for it is cheap. It's a small block Chevy...it just works.

I have a 6.2 CUCV. The joke is it will get you there. You will be late but it will always get you there. Very easy to work on. It's just a turd, not the worst thing if your expectations are low. Kinda like a 22RE 🤣

To circle back to the post, I don't see the new turbo Toyota engines as being any of this after 10-15 years. I see them as being throw away trucks. The only thing that will make people keep them and throw fuck tons of money at repairs will the inflation causing new truck prices to be way higher.

Let's face it, if truck prices came down not a single one of these turds would make it past 10 years.
 
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I know they work great as a wheeler engine. Pretty decent grunt for a 4cyl, but mostly just easy to adapt to a w56.

Just seems like every single person I can think of who owned one, either burnt a valve or put a rod through the block. Then when you need a replacement, they're impossible to find. Then you find one and it's the wrong configuration because even 95-04 they had 3 different 3rz's plus I don't even know about the 2rz.
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I’ve burned a valve, cracked the head, and wrecked 2 bottom ends. And I’m a seriously gentle driver/wheeler. They just don’t tolerate the valves not getting adjusted or oiling the balance shafts on angles. Now that I stay on top of the valves and cut the balance shaft chain, they seem to hold together fine.
 
I think even if you aren't a Toyota fan that generation of trucks were pretty good. Since the Tundra was nothing more then a wider V8 version I think it's a great platform too.

Anything after this Toyota just basically built a North American truck for the masses to the lowest standard just like everyone else.

The 05' wasn't terrible but but it just kinda sucked in all regards. Still underpowered, becoming too big for what it is, falling victim of the I don't know what gear to be in issue. I also personally thought the seats were grossly uncomfortable and the A pillar was sharing the same space as my head. So you go to look at something and you either can't see it or you smack your head.

I truly believe the only thing selling the trucks at this stage was the reputation built from the previous generation, the good resale value, and the whole stupid over landing bolt all your shit onto it hype.
 
Slander said:
They just majorly fucked up on the frame, and the front ball joint design. It's like 9/10 perfect!
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Never had any frame issues personally with the 4runners but I dont live where rust is an issue either. And once swapped with a landcruiser solid front the ball joints are no longer a problem! Lol
Skinny said:
I think even if you aren't a Toyota fan that generation of trucks were pretty good. Since the Tundra was nothing more then a wider V8 version I think it's a great platform too.
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Yeah first gen tundras seemed like solid trucks, and could be had with the mighty 3.4 and a 5speed :flipoff2:
 
Pretty well fully derailed now, may as well keep it going :flipoff2:


I actually think the 89-95 pickup/4runner is a more rugged platform. The 3.0 just gave them a bad rap. Even then, there are lots of 3.0s still out there.

I do think the 1st gen taco/3rd gen 4runner is a better all around rig. More power, more comfortable, drives better, ect.

Guy at my work is a Toyota fan Boi and still loves the 2nd Gen taco, he's had one for years and isn't super nice to it. I just always hear how terrible of fuel mileage the 4.0 gets, add that to the larger size and I just figure may as well as go to a 1/2t.
 
Skinny said:
I wouldn't buy a single new vehicle that I can't plug my HP Tuner into and delete all the absolute abortion the manufacturer puts in like:
-cylinder deactivation
-retard level shift strategies
-thousands of trouble codes that do nothing but put you into limp mode because you may be polluting but are now stranded on the side of the road
-torque converter lockup in low gears
-torque converter lockup that isn't fully locked up

Fuck all that noise. Just because the manufacturers need to do all this shit for compliance doesn't mean I want any of it. So when the aftermarket comes in I'm a buyer. Till then fuck car makers, the dealerships, and the retards that work there.

Also they are just built like shit. Go ahead and try to tune up a modern car. The fucking coil pack wires are rachet strap tight. Motherfuckers can't even give you an extra half inch of wire so you can actually unclip it. That is how your entire truck is built.
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Along these lines... a few years back I was preparing to purchase a new F350 SuperCab 7.3 4x4 (roughly $60k at the time), pretty basic with a couple of very minor creature comforts. My rep at a dealer I build for said, "You'll never like that truck," thinking it was too basic. "Matter of fact, I have one with all the same options on the lot but in 4x2. Come grab me when you bring back the Ranger you're lifting and I'll show it to you."

We go to look at the truck. Buttons and switches everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I put it in reverse to back out of the parking spot. The radio lit up with the reverse camera image, then it sounded like a god damn fire alarm going off because someone was walking behind the truck and the sensors picked it up from so far away he wasn't even in the visual of the massive sideview mirrors, yet. I put it back in Drive, parked it back in its spot, and left.

48 hours later I was headed to GA to buy my current 2000 F-350 7.3 4x4 SRW. Even after pulling the transmission last year to have it rebuilt and all the other updates/upgrades I performed at that time, I'm still only about $18k into it over the course of three years. I'll rebuild the turbo and replace the injectors later this year, which will put me in the $20k range. It's nice when I can let it sit at the end of the driveway for months and not feel obligated to do something with it because of a monthly note.

A couple weekends ago I was only slightly jealous while following my buddy who owns the local speedshop... he had two buggies and a FJ80 on a 40' gooseneck and his 2015 Duramax (built by him, naturally) didn't skip a beat in the hills. I only had my YJ on my 20' trailer and while I wasn't struggling in the least, I can tell you with pure confidence if that dude decided he wanted to leave me hanging, I wouldn't have stood a chance. He was also getting the same fuel mileage.


Still. I love my old 7.3 and its lack of sensors and buttons and switches and exhaust additives.

My wife's 2022 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium, on the other hand... Christ. Even the name is excessive. :jester:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Pretty well fully derailed now, may as well keep it going :flipoff2:


I actually think the 89-95 pickup/4runner is a more rugged platform. The 3.0 just gave them a bad rap. Even then, there are lots of 3.0s still out there.

I do think the 1st gen taco/3rd gen 4runner is a better all around rig. More power, more comfortable, drives better, ect.

Guy at my work is a Toyota fan Boi and still loves the 2nd Gen taco, he's had one for years and isn't super nice to it. I just always hear how terrible of fuel mileage the 4.0 gets, add that to the larger size and I just figure may as well as go to a 1/2t.
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I believe lots of people were letting the 3.0 vacuum lines rot/crack and didn't realize it, leading to erratic engine issues. I have a couple 'yota fanboy buddies who actually took the time to understand the 3.0 vacuum systems (the only vacuum system to challenge a late '80s Ford V8 IMO) and they usually run just fine with minimal issues.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I actually think the 89-95 pickup/4runner is a more rugged platform. The 3.0 just gave them a bad rap. Even then, there are lots of 3.0s still out there.
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MAYBE more rugged, but not enough more to make it worth it for me considering most for sale are priced damn near the same as a 3rd gen. (Kinda like dumbasses wanting crazy money for YJs vs TJs) Only real difference (aside from easy dual cases behind a w56) I can think of is torsion bars vs struts and I’ll take struts/coilovers any day over torsion bars

And 89-95 gauges are shit :flipoff2: whoever thought a spinny cylinder type deal was a good idea shoulda drank bleach lol
 
ForgedOffRoad said:
I believe lots of people were letting the 3.0 vacuum lines rot/crack and didn't realize it, leading to erratic engine issues. I have a couple 'yota fanboy buddies who actually took the time to understand the 3.0 vacuum systems (the only vacuum system to challenge a late '80s Ford V8 IMO) and they usually run just fine with minimal issues.
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Do the vaccum lines cause blown head gaskets? :flipoff2:

JK13 said:
MAYBE more rugged, but not enough more to make it worth it for me considering most for sale are priced damn near the same as a 3rd gen. (Kinda like dumbasses wanting crazy money for YJs vs TJs) Only real difference (aside from easy dual cases behind a w56) I can think of is torsion bars vs struts and I’ll take struts/coilovers any day over torsion bars

And 89-95 gauges are shit :flipoff2: whoever thought a spinny cylinder type deal was a good idea shoulda drank bleach lol
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I agree, I just feel like if I had to pick purely based on longevity, I'd take a 3rd gen 22re.
 
Anytime someone asks about a 2nd gen taco I would ask if they considered a first gen tundra, last years with the 5spd in particular. I had an 06 and parked it next to my moms 06 taco when I first bought it. If her truck was a DCLB instead of DCSB I think they would be almost same length. tundra was bit wider, had more power, rode better and got 1-1.5mpg better empty and towing.
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I like everything about the 1sr gen tundra except the styling :barf:

The interior is even worse, no idea how they made the 2rd gen 4runners and those at the same time. I'd still drive the shit out of one if I needed something that size.
 
rockota said:
I missed the chance to buy 01Tundra's back in the day... Wish I had... that thing was cool AF.
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Yea it was!! I got to wheel with him a few times and see it in action, neat build for the time. Shame because it was turned into a tractor puller or some shit?
 
Slander said:
Yea it was!! I got to wheel with him a few times and see it in action, neat build for the time. Shame because it was turned into a tractor puller or some shit?
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last I heard, sitting in a barn and the owner won't sell...

I know what it went for... I didnt' see the ad until a week after it sold. Told him I would have paid cash and he could have stored it at his house for a couple of months... :laughing:
 
rockota said:
last I heard, sitting in a barn and the owner won't sell...

I know what it went for... I didnt' see the ad until a week after it sold. Told him I would have paid cash and he could have stored it at his house for a couple of months... :laughing:
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No argument on the stepside here, they were fugly. Overall styling I don't mind, look at the best selling competition of the time.... the ford F150. I mean yeah the ford got a redesign a few years before the tundra but I don't think it's any better looking just a different design style of boxy vs smooth edges type of deal.
 
350TacoZilla said:
No argument on the stepside here, they were fugly. Overall styling I don't mind, look at the best selling competition of the time.... the ford F150. I mean yeah the ford got a redesign a few years before the tundra but I don't think it's any better looking just a different design style of boxy vs smooth edges type of deal.
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That body style is the ugliest truck ever made, so you just proved me more right :flipoff2:


Honestly, I don't HATE the styling. Some of the nicer double cabs looked decent. The interior does feel like cheap garbage compared to the same gen 4runner/tacoma.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I like everything about the 1sr gen tundra except the styling :barf:

The interior is even worse, no idea how they made the 2rd gen 4runners and those at the same time. I'd still drive the shit out of one if I needed something that size.
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YotaAtieToo said:
That body style is the ugliest truck ever made, so you just proved me more right :flipoff2:


Honestly, I don't HATE the styling. Some of the nicer double cabs looked decent. The interior does feel like cheap garbage compared to the same gen 4runner/tacoma.
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Who cares what it looks like if it's a wheeler, when I build one I plan on turning it into a raisen anyway. Thats really how Toyotas look best anyway:flipoff2:
 
Slander said:
Who cares what it looks like if it's a wheeler, when I build one I plan on turning it into a raisen anyway. Thats really how Toyotas look best anyway:flipoff2:
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I was going to say... your tacoma is a raisin and the tundra is wider...

maybe you need a Samurai! :flipoff2:
 
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