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That is their sacred land....We can move the faces somewhere else...Move the faces you say? Yup,, we went to the moon 50 years ago, cutting up the faces and moving them is no problem....right?
 
Fuck that, my ancestors went to the trouble of killing all those indians, it would be a shame if all that effort was for nothing because of a few tears.
 
I guess we should also put all of the gold we took out of the black hills back where it belongs

lakota should have left the pawnee alone
 
no fucks given.

Do you think the people on the mountain would agree with taxing the people to maintain their images on the side of a mountain?
 
Dont the welfare savages already have a crazy horse monument in progress? Move the monument, give it to the prairie kneegroes, whatever happens they will just turn it into a shithole.
 
The Egyptians moved an entire temple to save it from the waters of the Aswan High Dam,so why not?

The Two Temples of Abu Simbel
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September 29, 2018
Trips in Egypt
Aswan Tourist AttractionsThe Two Temples of Abu Simbel

These splendid Abu Simbel temples are located in the Nubian village in southern Egypt about 230 km southwest of Aswan near the borders of Sudan. They were carved out of the mountainside in the 13th century B.C during the reign of the 19th dynasty pharaoh Ramesses II. These gorgeous temples are the lasting historical monument for the king and his queen, Nefertari. They commemorate his victory at the Battle of Kadesh. The temples were first explored by the Egyptologist Giovanni Battista Belzoni in 1817. The complex was relocated in 1968 or they would have been submerged during the creation of Lake Nasser. Through our article you wil know:
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The Description of Abu Simbel Temples


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The construction of Abu Simbel temple started in 1264 B.C and lasted until 1244 B.C. the purpose of the two temples was to impress Egypt’s southern neighbors. On the entrance of the temple, there are figures of Ramses II that are 20 meters tall. Small figures of Ramesses’ children, his queen, “Nefertari”, and his mother, “Muttuy” are carved around the statues. There is graffiti inscribed that have provided important evidence of the early history of the Greek alphabet. Abu Simbel temples can be divided into two main temples.
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The Great Temple of Ramses II


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The Great temple of Ramses II was dedicated to the sun gods Amon-Re, Ptah and Re-Horakhte. The 4 seated colossi in front of the temple were sculptured from the rock in the temple before the temple was moved. All statues in the temple represent Ramses II seated on a throne wearing the double crown of Upper and Lower Egypt.

The inner part of the temple is similar to the ancient Egyptians temples. It has rooms and its structure is complex and unique because it has many chambers. There is a hypostyle hall that is 18 m tall and consists of eight huge pillars that depict Ramses linked to the god Osiris. There is a second pillared hall that consists of four pillars decorated with beautiful scenes of offerings to the gods.
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The Small Temple of Queen Nefertari


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The temple of Hathor and Nefertari, which was built about one hundred meters northeast of the temple of Pharaoh Ramses II. It was dedicated to the goddess Hathor and Ramesses II’s chief consort, Nefertari, the most beloved wife for Ramesses. Queen Nefertiti was the first queen to have a temple dedicated to her by Akhenaten and Nefertari was the second one to have such a chance. The statues are more than two meters high. On the sides, there are statues of the king.

The hypostyle hall of the statue is supported by six pillars, which is followed by a vestibule, access to which is given by three large doors. Ramesses II and Nefertari are depicted making offerings to god Horus on the west wall of the temple. The priest on each temple represents the king in his daily religious ceremonies.
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The Relocation of the Abu Simbel Temples


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An international donations campaign began to save the monuments that were under threat from the rising of the water of the Nile, which could be caused by the construction of Aswan High Dam in 1959. The rescuing mission of Abu Simbel temples started in 1964 by the most skilled archeologists and engineers under the UNESCO banner. The relocation process cost $40 million. The large blocks were cut, dismantled, lifted to a new location 65 meters higher and 200 meters back from the river. It was one of the greatest challenges of archaeological engineering in history.
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Interesting Facts About Abu Simbel Temples


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  • The temple was mainly constructed to celebrate the victory of Ramses II that was constructed during the Hittites at Kadish battle in 1274 B.C.
  • The marvelous temple of Abu Simbel was dedicated to a number of ancient Egyptian gods such as Amun, Ra-Horakhty, and Ptah.
  • The huge complex of Abu Simbel consists of two temples, the grand temple and the small one.
  • It was discovered in 1817 by the Egyptologist Giovanni Battista but the Swiss researcher Johann Luding was the one who managed to explore the temples.
  • One of the most important Egyptian phenomena is the Solar alignment over the grand temple, which happens twice the year, once in 22nd from February and on 22nd from October and both dates reflect the date of Ramses II birth and his coronation.
  • There aren’t any other temples for Ramesses’ wives except for Nefertari.
  • There are great hand-carved pillars, statues, beautiful carvings, and a lot of other interesting things that delight anyone while looking at them.
  • It is the second-largest touristic attraction that was built by a human in ancient Egypt after the Pyramids.
 
Paragon said:
no. a polish dude started that. Most Lakota think it's sacrilege especially since they think Crazy Horse never wanted to be photographed
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In 1933, Standing Bear learned of a monument that was to be constructed at Fort Robinson, Nebraska. The monument was to honor his maternal cousin, Crazy Horse, who was killed at Fort Robinson in 1877. Standing Bear wrote to James Cook who was steering the planned project – sharing with Cook that he and many of his fellow Lakota leaders had formed the Crazy Horse Memorial Association and were promoting a carving of Crazy Horse in the sacred Paha Sapa – Black Hills. Standing Bear explained that as a relative of Crazy Horse, it was culturally appropriate for him to initiate such a memorial to his cousin. In addition, Standing Bear believed strongly that the Black Hills, because of the spiritual significance to the Lakota people, was the only appropriate place for such a memorial. These two beliefs would finally lead Standing Bear to search for a man with skills great enough to carve a memorial to Crazy Horse.
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Weasel said:
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Since Henry Standing Bear requested the mountain carving, the Ziolkowskis have built a complex of visitor centers and souvenir shops earning the family millions of dollars annually. Mr. Big Crow wonders if Henry Standing Bear's request was limited to a mountain carving alone.

"Or did it give them free hand to try to take over the name and make money off it as long as they're alive and we're alive? When you start making money rather than to try to complete the project, that's when, to me, it's going off in the wrong direction," he said.

The complex is listed as part of Korczak Ziolkowski's "expanded plan" for the site and, as noted on the memorial's brochure, "Crazy Horse cannot be experienced by driving past on the highway." The sculptor's widow, Ruth, and seven of his children work at the Memorial. Daughter Anne Ziolkowski's view on the controversy that the memorial has caused in Indian Country is blunt.

"Well, you're not gonna' please everybody," said Ann Ziolkowski. "I don't care what you do, you're not gonna' please everybody. If we offend people, we're very sorry. But we're doing what we were asked to do."

The problem, according to Crazy Horse descendant Elaine Quiver, is that Henry Standing Bear had no right to petition Korczak Ziolkowski to create the mountain carving in the first place. She says Lakota culture dictates consensus from family members on such a decision. Ms. Quiver adds that no one bothered to ask the descendants of Crazy Horse if they approved of the project before the first sticks of dynamite were blown on land sacred to the Lakota on June 3, 1948.



"They don't respect our culture because we didn't give permission for someone to carve the sacred Black Hills where our burial grounds are," said Elaine Quiver. "They were there for us to enjoy and they were there for us to pray. But it wasn't meant to be carved into images, which is very wrong for all of us. The more I think about it, the more it's a desecration of our Indian culture. Not just Crazy Horse, but all of us."
 
Paragon said:
no. a polish dude started that. Most Lakota think it's sacrilege especially since they think Crazy Horse never wanted to be photographed
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well what do they want, a brave warrior surrounded by the whiskey bottles he killed and a 350 pound squaw?

D-Rat said:
Then the rest of SD can look like the Pine Ridge Res. Brilliant.
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What, you dont like shot up signs and empty beer cans along every road?
 
Paragon said:
Since Henry Standing Bear requested the mountain carving, the Ziolkowskis have built a complex of visitor centers and souvenir shops earning the family millions of dollars annually. Mr. Big Crow wonders if Henry Standing Bear's request was limited to a mountain carving alone.

"Or did it give them free hand to try to take over the name and make money off it as long as they're alive and we're alive? When you start making money rather than to try to complete the project, that's when, to me, it's going off in the wrong direction," he said.

The complex is listed as part of Korczak Ziolkowski's "expanded plan" for the site and, as noted on the memorial's brochure, "Crazy Horse cannot be experienced by driving past on the highway." The sculptor's widow, Ruth, and seven of his children work at the Memorial. Daughter Anne Ziolkowski's view on the controversy that the memorial has caused in Indian Country is blunt.

"Well, you're not gonna' please everybody," said Ann Ziolkowski. "I don't care what you do, you're not gonna' please everybody. If we offend people, we're very sorry. But we're doing what we were asked to do."

The problem, according to Crazy Horse descendant Elaine Quiver, is that Henry Standing Bear had no right to petition Korczak Ziolkowski to create the mountain carving in the first place. She says Lakota culture dictates consensus from family members on such a decision. Ms. Quiver adds that no one bothered to ask the descendants of Crazy Horse if they approved of the project before the first sticks of dynamite were blown on land sacred to the Lakota on June 3, 1948.



"They don't respect our culture because we didn't give permission for someone to carve the sacred Black Hills where our burial grounds are," said Elaine Quiver. "They were there for us to enjoy and they were there for us to pray. But it wasn't meant to be carved into images, which is very wrong for all of us. The more I think about it, the more it's a desecration of our Indian culture. Not just Crazy Horse, but all of us."
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I bet Elaine would change her mind if she got a cut of the millions of dollars annually.
 
aron82 said:
Don't want to loose your sacred land, win the war.

Loose the war, loose your land. That's how it has worked for hundreds of thousands of years.
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And that's how it works now as they take it back....

You didn't think that through, did you?
 
Paragon said:
Since Henry Standing Bear requested the mountain carving, the Ziolkowskis have built a complex of visitor centers and souvenir shops earning the family millions of dollars an the sacred Black Hills where our burial grounds are," said Elaine Quiver. "They were there for us to enjoy and they were there for us to pray. But it wasn't meant to be carved into images, which is very wrong for all of us. The more I think about it, the more it's a desecration of our Indian culture. Not just Crazy Horse, but all of us."
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The Lakota stole Black Hills from the Cheyenne, but only after the Lakota got Horses (brought by Europeans).

Not a single Lakota claim to anything in the region is valid, yet the US Govercucks offered them $1.5 billion as Reparations.

I can't wait until Blacks get Reparations.
 
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