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Dont Ever Buy A Dodge - 93 D250 12valve
- Thread starter KungFooMASTA
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my 90 cummins has 99-05 f450/550 leafs up front with a chevy d60 under it, cross over steering and a track bar. rear has 63" chevy leafs and a 14b out back, bilstein shocks all around and it rides great down rough dirt roads, the nv4500 sucks towing heavy loads in the mountains. i have a nv5600 laying around i need to swap in some day. if i was doing it over building in stages like i did only thing i would change is switch the chevy 63" leafs for some newer ford 08+ 66" leafs. if i was starting from scratch and purchasing it at once i would go with 05+ ford axles and the suspension with a nv5600/g56 and 271 driver drop t-case.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
Pic I dug up from a while back... where I tried out this loose 60 housing while doing a suspension switch-out. Its a 99-04SD style, but coils are in their buckets.
EDIT: ya its the same 2wd D150/250 2wd suspension as OP.
Maybe I should look into SD axles. I know they used to be cheap. Probably not anymore but I will look into them. What year did they stop having freespin hubs. I hate how the new trucks are always locked in.
car-part.com showed a SD front 60 near me recently for $500 at a salvage yard.
We had a 18 model F250 shop truck in Alaska that had free spin hubs.
Wheelerfreak
Chronically stupid
I thought it was the later 1st gens, 91.5 - 93 that got the beefier frames and not the earlier models?i have a 1990 cummins, i can confirm everything besides the engine and frame(frame isnt as good as some people make it out to be, its not 8" the whole length) is junk
you couldnt ask for a more reliable engine(in a LDT) that makes 400ft-lbs of torque from the factory and gets awesome mpg
One thing to watch for on the 93 250's is that the D70 is actually a Dana 70U, 32 spline 1.41" shafts and not the 1.5" 35 spline shafts of most D70's.
The late diesel ones you mention have the biggest frames (8"). Maybe some wiggle room on the year.
Most D70's from 91+ are 32-spline, even dually. I've got a few.
Wheelerfreak
Chronically stupid
I'd always heard the 350's were all 35 spline, I've Neve had one so could never verify. I did verify on my 250 though. That style 70 is one of the dumbest designs IMO. For the unique 32 spline axles and for having to pull the axles to do the brakes, instead of just pulling the drum and making it easy.
I've been thinking of putting a locker in it and the 35 spline Detroits are cheaper. Figured I'd just put 35 spline Yukons in and locker at the same time...
you are correct, i was not aware, my frame is indeed the weaker one which makes sense that ive had to repair/reinforce/bootyfab it in a couple(steering box and engine cross member/track bar) spots
afaik all the 05+ have lockable hubs but i could be wrong
Here's my backyard mockup pics of an '07 SD axle under a W-series dodge. Radius arms line up nice with the frame rails. Coils need to come inboard, our build the coil-buckets outboard. It has hub locks; I believe they work on vacuum too.
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KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
That does not look like it would be hard to put those in. The coil buckets on my 2wd look like they almost line up with that.
When you move the coil off the inner C (stock) and onto the bumpstop pad, you'd be better lined up for the dodge 2wd coil bucket.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
I think I need to start looking for a pair of sd axles then. The ones with coils have that new metric bolt pattern dont they? So I would need to get a pair of axles.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
Yeah I see that now. Maybe I will just use what I have now and find sd stuff when I do the winch truck.Pair of axles with wheels.... or better yet, get the whole rolling chassis as mentioned before.
At some point you're no longer modding a Dodge with shit you already have...
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
Some pics of the Dodge frame. I guess its not as rusted as I thought. The one rust hole was originally a hole looking at the other side it just rusted out more. The Dodge frame is 8” I measured the winch truck frame it is 8” too.
Dodge with rust hole on driver side.
The same spot on the pass side
Rust on shackles. Cracked weld holding the bed on. I dont know why they welded it on. Its bolted in the front.
Dodge with rust hole on driver side.
The same spot on the pass side
Rust on shackles. Cracked weld holding the bed on. I dont know why they welded it on. Its bolted in the front.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
I pulled the bruce jenner out of the 98 today. I just pulled it over on its side to make it easier. Tomorrow I will cut the axles and such out of it and scrap the rest. What a jewel. I wish this 98 wouldn’t have had so much rust I would have just found a new engine for it. It was all there and it was straight when I got it and had a clean interior too.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
The easy way to pull bruce jenners and axles.
I think this might be a Dana 80 I know it does not have the same cover as my 60s or 70s I already have.
Here is where the rod made like a tree and leaved. On its way out it said a big fuck you to the starter too.
This is the most I have ever lifted with the winch truck. Not sure how much it is but it handled it.
I think this might be a Dana 80 I know it does not have the same cover as my 60s or 70s I already have.
Here is where the rod made like a tree and leaved. On its way out it said a big fuck you to the starter too.
This is the most I have ever lifted with the winch truck. Not sure how much it is but it handled it.
Definitely a Dana 80, gonna be 35 spline and around 70" or so wms. It would match up real well with a 05+ Dana 60, just need to redrill the 60 unit bearings to 8x6.5. And pick up an axle, you could probably trade one of the front axles you already have.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
10-4 I think If I can find an 05 plus SD axle for cheap that is what I will use up front.
I think this 80 has some kind of locker in it. Trying to roll it around trying to turn it you had to hold one tire and rock the other and I could feel it unlock and roll free then it would lock up again. Maybe just a good lsd or someone put a detroit in it?
I think this 80 has some kind of locker in it. Trying to roll it around trying to turn it you had to hold one tire and rock the other and I could feel it unlock and roll free then it would lock up again. Maybe just a good lsd or someone put a detroit in it?
Wheelerfreak
Chronically stupid
Every time I see pictures of trucks that rusty I’m sure glad I don‘t live in the rust belt.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
Fuck if I care. Quit dimming my shine. I would rather have the worst 12valve than the best 6.0 or 6.4 Powerstroke. You are not picking up what Im putting down. Im not building for power and speed I am building for reliability. Ive been pulling with an 03 Denali XL with 4l65e and a 6.0 vortec so it might not have as much power as that but should be more stable. Before that I pulled with my RV that had a 145hp 3.9 Isuzu Turbo Diesel so I know all about pulling slow. I dont see how this could be slower than that.
Every time I see pictures of trucks that rusty I’m sure glad I don‘t live in the rust belt.
That blue truck is way too clean for a rustbelt truck, it still has most of the rocker panels.
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No worst 12v's.... They start at 'really good' and go up from there.
The 2ndgen body/chassis deteriorate horribly. Most are rustier than 1stgens now.
Good thing you posted that up, I'm sure everyone could learn a lot from your vast knowledge bank
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love my VE pump 1st gen 12v(fires up after half a crank of the starter
), turn the fuel screw up put a manual tranny behind it and have enough truck to do what ever you need. i dont need to do 60mph up the grades towing 10k poundssuch a simple and basic drive train you can literally drive it without a working alternator or battery
Good thing you posted that up, I'm sure everyone could learn a lot from your vast knowledge bank
Based on the title, i refrained from beating the guy up too much. Bar none, first gen 12v's are the worst of the lot, but im sure you already knew that.
Based on the title, i refrained from beating the guy up too much. Bar none, first gen 12v's are the worst of the lot, but im sure you already knew that.
KungFooMASTA
El Stupido
Well hell, why dont I just stop wasting everyone’s time and take the 93 to the scrap yard and go to the bank and get a loan for something new. Since my 93 is the worst thing ever made already and the engine is junk. This thing isnt even a shipping crate, its just a flaming bag of dogshit on my front porch.
Off to ask my dad what kind of truck he wants to see me in.
Off to ask my dad what kind of truck he wants to see me in.
Wheelerfreak
Chronically stupid
I'll buy it for scrap prices if that what's your offering.
Engine, 205 X case, King pin 60 front are desirable pieces IMO. Dana 70U could be to a person that wants a replacement or if they need to replace a hub that is FUBAR....ask me how I know about the last bit
. Engine, 205 X case, King pin 60 front are desirable pieces IMO. Dana 70U could be to a person that wants a replacement or if they need to replace a hub that is FUBAR....ask me how I know about the last bit