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Dammit Trump, why are saying stupid shit/smdh/

Texas97 said:
Or force them to be more overt so that it cant be ignored this time.
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That's a thought. I wonder if Trump is that strategic in his remarks or if he just goes with whatever his ego wants him to say? Either way I'm interested to see the results this time around vs 2020
 
wait, so there was less election cheating before 1820? How many elections were happening around the world before 1820?
 
Sandy Johnson said:
That's a thought. I wonder if Trump is that strategic in his remarks or if he just goes with whatever his ego wants him to say? Either way I'm interested to see the results this time around vs 2020
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this is a tired trope that keeps getting repeated. Trumps "ego" is just so huge and in the way all the time. Every single president since Dwight Eisenhower had an ego bigger than the Schiaparelli Crater. Trump's isnt any bigger than Harris or Bidens. All politicians self-promote, constantly, and there isnt anything you can do to change that.

Trump showed in his last debate with Biden he can be matter of fact, straight forward and prepared. His good performance was overshadowed by Bidens complete meltdown.

He will perform similarly here. Harris is the one that has the most to lose.
 
Texas97 said:
this is a tired trope that keeps getting repeated. Trumps "ego" is just so huge and in the way all the time. Every single president since Dwight Eisenhower had an ego bigger than the Schiaparelli Crater. Trump's isnt any bigger than Harris or Bidens. All politicians self-promote, constantly, and there isnt anything you can do to change that.

Trump showed in his last debate with Biden he can be matter of fact, straight forward and prepared. His good performance was overshadowed by Bidens complete meltdown.

He will perform similarly here. Harris is the one that has the most to lose.
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It's such a a tired trope that it's pretty much the reason this thread exists.

I want Trump to win and I hope he comes to this debate with stone cold logic and facts, because that would annihilate Kamala, but I have a feeling it won't go that way.
 
I have not been convinced that there is dead proof of literal voter fraud. There is a lot of smoke though. It would have been nice for a single lawsuit to be granted a hearing and the discovery process could have happened. I am not a legal scholar so the "no standing" opinions seem shady but I can understand them at my 1st grade legal knowledge.

However, outside of literal ballot stuff, there is plenty of shady shit that happened to "rig" the election and it all seemingly happened on the left. From states changing rules last minute, to social media censoring people and stories. Add in Google changing algorithms to hinder searches into topic that were not left leaning positive, and you have a lot of manipulation.

I have heard someone say it before (maybe Tucker but I am not sure. Maybe Taibii) there is nobody in the US that made a completely informed vote. You couldn't have because so much information was hidden, censored or ignored by the vast majority of the press. On top of the that, legit information was "debunked" as misinformation such as the laptop story that they try to push as a Hunter drug/whore story, which it really isn't. It's a money, power, influence and corruption story. Add in the Russia bullshit, which will be front and center again tonight at the debate I am sure, and it's a complete propagandizing of the electorate.

I have read stories of the literal fraud but they are usually from The Gateway Pundit types who are hard to take seriously. I get they will probably never show up on MSM but there are other news outlets. If Tucker, for example, could prove it with all his resources, it would get out there. It hasn't. No, I have never seen the movie with the foreign dude but from what I understand, he never did release the analytics that he promised. I could be wrong but that kills all credibility.

I have zero doubt of fraud of ballets though. My wife received a ballot and she had been dead for 3 years at the time.
 
MChat said:
Trump cannot possibly win this election, and it's not because of anything he says (most of which is taken out of context and distorted to fit the D narrative); it's not because the propaganda machine is going to do a bang up job in making Kamala look good (their job isn't to get people to vote for her, their job is to convince everyone that didn't vote for her that there were still enough people who did that her win looks plausible). Kamala is going to win simply because They are going to cheat as much as it takes to win, and they don't care if anyone knows anymore because they'll just keep pushing the narrative through their propaganda machine that the election was "safe and secure" and she legitimately won.
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Well shit. I guess I will just stay home and not bother voting then.
 
dntsdad said:
I have not been convinced that there is dead proof of literal voter fraud. There is a lot of smoke though.
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That's funny. I had the opposite reaction. Turns out there was more than I thought. Even more surprising is how little everyone cared. I mean, they're even trying to put a guy in prison for pointing it out. As far as the "smoke"? That speaks volumes. Where there is smoke , there is fire. IMHO.
 
dntsdad said:
I have not been convinced that there is dead proof of literal voter fraud. There is a lot of smoke though. It would have been nice for a single lawsuit to be granted a hearing and the discovery process could have happened. I am not a legal scholar so the "no standing" opinions seem shady but I can understand them at my 1st grade legal knowledge.

However, outside of literal ballot stuff, there is plenty of shady shit that happened to "rig" the election and it all seemingly happened on the left. From states changing rules last minute, to social media censoring people and stories. Add in Google changing algorithms to hinder searches into topic that were not left leaning positive, and you have a lot of manipulation.

I have heard someone say it before (maybe Tucker but I am not sure. Maybe Taibii) there is nobody in the US that made a completely informed vote. You couldn't have because so much information was hidden, censored or ignored by the vast majority of the press. On top of the that, legit information was "debunked" as misinformation such as the laptop story that they try to push as a Hunter drug/whore story, which it really isn't. It's a money, power, influence and corruption story. Add in the Russia bullshit, which will be front and center again tonight at the debate I am sure, and it's a complete propagandizing of the electorate.

I have read stories of the literal fraud but they are usually from The Gateway Pundit types who are hard to take seriously. I get they will probably never show up on MSM but there are other news outlets. If Tucker, for example, could prove it with all his resources, it would get out there. It hasn't. No, I have never seen the movie with the foreign dude but from what I understand, he never did release the analytics that he promised. I could be wrong but that kills all credibility.

I have zero doubt of fraud of ballets though. My wife received a ballot and she had been dead for 3 years at the time.
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You don’t believe in fraud but the give an example of fraud?
 
dntsdad said:
I have not been convinced that there is dead proof of literal voter fraud. There is a lot of smoke though. It would have been nice for a single lawsuit to be granted a hearing and the discovery process could have happened. I am not a legal scholar so the "no standing" opinions seem shady but I can understand them at my 1st grade legal knowledge.

However, outside of literal ballot stuff, there is plenty of shady shit that happened to "rig" the election and it all seemingly happened on the left. From states changing rules last minute, to social media censoring people and stories. Add in Google changing algorithms to hinder searches into topic that were not left leaning positive, and you have a lot of manipulation.

I have heard someone say it before (maybe Tucker but I am not sure. Maybe Taibii) there is nobody in the US that made a completely informed vote. You couldn't have because so much information was hidden, censored or ignored by the vast majority of the press. On top of the that, legit information was "debunked" as misinformation such as the laptop story that they try to push as a Hunter drug/whore story, which it really isn't. It's a money, power, influence and corruption story. Add in the Russia bullshit, which will be front and center again tonight at the debate I am sure, and it's a complete propagandizing of the electorate.

I have read stories of the literal fraud but they are usually from The Gateway Pundit types who are hard to take seriously. I get they will probably never show up on MSM but there are other news outlets. If Tucker, for example, could prove it with all his resources, it would get out there. It hasn't. No, I have never seen the movie with the foreign dude but from what I understand, he never did release the analytics that he promised. I could be wrong but that kills all credibility.

I have zero doubt of fraud of ballets though. My wife received a ballot and she had been dead for 3 years at the time.
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everything that you just typed shows you know that cheating happened. and it was massive and widespread. the problem is with MOST of the God-fearing patriots is that yall have a mental block that prevents you from completely accepting what your eyes and the rational part of your brain are telling you, because in accepting that, you have to admit we are a government and country in shambles are no better than Russia or China or any third world dictatorship. its just that our dictatorship is run by an oligarchal and idealogical unelected bureacracy.

it only hurts the first time you admit it to yourself.
 
MChat said:
They did, that's why everyone was so shocked when Hitlary lost. Everyone was sure of her victory, the way the media and the "people in the know" handled the loss tells you they knew the fix was in for her and were genuinely shocked that it didn't work.

The Deep State's Puppet Masters have been meddling in U.S. elections since before They got the idea to start the Democrat party and They've been progressively getting bolder with Their cheating throughout the many decades. The 2020 election was Their boldest yet, with plenty of evidence for all to see, yet so many people believe the BS gaslighting of Their Propaganda Machine (a.k.a. Mainstream Media), and with the Justice system fully corrupted by Their political puppets in key places, almost none of that evidence ever saw the inside of a courtroom.

They weren't at all concerned that 10 million people walked away from the D party in 2020 to vote for Trump. That's TEN MILLION people that voted for Hillary that did NOT vote for Biden and voted for Trump instead. That is a 20 million vote swing (-10 for Biden +10 for Trump). And they're not concerned that millions more former D and independents that previously voted for Hillary and/or Biden are not voting for Harris (and voting for Trump instead). They're not concerned at all. They have 12 million illegal aliens, of which 25 million are going to vote for Harris.

Trump cannot possibly win this election, and it's not because of anything he says (most of which is taken out of context and distorted to fit the D narrative); it's not because the propaganda machine is going to do a bang up job in making Kamala look good (their job isn't to get people to vote for her, their job is to convince everyone that didn't vote for her that there were still enough people who did that her win looks plausible). Kamala is going to win simply because They are going to cheat as much as it takes to win, and they don't care if anyone knows anymore because they'll just keep pushing the narrative through their propaganda machine that the election was "safe and secure" and she legitimately won.

And someday questioning the outcome of the election by meme, online post, or actual verbally saying so will land you in prison. The 2nd amendment won't protect any of the others because nobody is willing (myself included, for now) to put it in practice.
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here's another option. Trump beats the steal, and as Jamie Raskin has already stated, they deny him the confirmation on January 6th due to the 14th amendment. There only needs to be about 3-4 republican elected officials to go along with the Dems and he's "denied". it would probably throw the country into a civil war but thats what they have wanted for a long time.
 
So where is the literal fraud? It's been years. Can you show without a doubt?

What I wrote was manipulation and propaganda?

That isn't the same as stuffing ballots.

Show me then. I know I am stupid to not know all the blatant facts as you all do, so maybe use a crayon to write it out??? I am betting that you can't.

It doesn't hurt at all. I would actually love to see it. So do so
 
Texas97 said:
here's another option. Trump beats the steal, and as Jamie Raskin has already stated, they deny him the confirmation on January 6th due to the 14th amendment. There only needs to be about 3-4 republican elected officials to go along with the Dems and he's "denied". it would probably throw the country into a civil war but thats what they have wanted for a long time.
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I am young enough to participate so I say lets get it going.

I don't want what is at the bottom of the slippery slope for my grandkids.
 
Texas97 said:
here's another option. Trump beats the steal, and as Jamie Raskin has already stated, they deny him the confirmation on January 6th due to the 14th amendment. There only needs to be about 3-4 republican elected officials to go along with the Dems and he's "denied". it would probably throw the country into a civil war but thats what they have wanted for a long time.
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If "civil war" is a shooting war, where you were fukin spot on in your previous post (#254), you are wrong here. It ain't going to happen.

If "civil war" is anything other than a shooting war, I would say we are already in it.
 
dntsdad said:
So where is the literal fraud? It's been years. Can you show without a doubt?

What I wrote was manipulation and propaganda?

That isn't the same as stuffing ballots.

Show me then. I know I am stupid to not know all the blatant facts as you all do, so maybe use a crayon to write it out??? I am betting that you can't.

It doesn't hurt at all. I would actually love to see it. So do so
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Dude they made a whole documentary. Go watch it ... 2000 Mules or something.
 
Texas97 said:
here's another option. Trump beats the steal, and as Jamie Raskin has already stated, they deny him the confirmation on January 6th due to the 14th amendment. There only needs to be about 3-4 republican elected officials to go along with the Dems and he's "denied". it would probably throw the country into a civil war but thats what they have wanted for a long time.
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So what happens in that scenario? Does Vance get the big chair?
 
grumpy356 said:
Dude they made a whole documentary. Go watch it ... 2000 Mules or something.
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That's the one I was talking about. Did he ever release the data that was going to back up his assertions? He said he would in "30 days" after the release. I lost faith after that. Why not on release day or even before? If they relied on that data to make the film, he should have it all compiled and ready for public scrutiny? No?

Maybe he did and I had given by then.
 
Texas97 said:
everything that you just typed shows you know that cheating happened. and it was massive and widespread. the problem is with MOST of the God-fearing patriots is that yall have a mental block that prevents you from completely accepting what your eyes and the rational part of your brain are telling you, because in accepting that, you have to admit we are a government and country in shambles are no better than Russia or China or any third world dictatorship. its just that our dictatorship is run by an oligarchal and idealogical unelected bureacracy.

it only hurts the first time you admit it to yourself.
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I think I'm in the same camp he is. I suspect cheating, but I want to see some caught red-handed, dead to rights, someone is going to jail type proof. There should be enough resources amongst the republican party that if that sort of proof were available, then they could dig it up and completely embarrass the democratic party enough to have the upper hand in elections for the next few presidencies. Unless! Either the republican party has done enough cheating on their own that neither side wants to open pandora's box, or the republican party despises Trump so much that they don't want him to win.

The latter seems sort of absurd when you have things like Lara Trump as the co-chair for the RNC, and Donald as the party's lead candidate.

The former seems a bit more plausible, but when I bring it up here everyone accuses me of defending the democratic party somehow.
 
grumpy356 said:
Dude they made a whole documentary. Go watch it ... 2000 Mules or something.
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I watched it, and was excited for them to release the raw phone data they claimed they got. It would have been damning evidence and heads would have rolled.


...except they never did release the data. And then they got sued because they depicted some people as cheaters who were not cheaters apparently, and had to halt distribution of the film and issue an apology.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/g-s1...lection-conspiracy-theory-film-issues-apology

The conservative media company behind the book and film “2,000 Mules,” which alleged a widespread conspiracy by Democrats to steal the 2020 election and was embraced by former President Donald Trump, has issued an apology and said it would halt distribution of the film and remove both the film and book from its platforms.

In a statement posted to their website, Salem Media Group, Inc. apologized specifically to Mark Andrews, a voter from Georgia falsely depicted illegally voting in “2,000 Mules.”

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation cleared Andrews of wrongdoing, and found he was legally dropping off ballots for members of his family. Andrews filed a defamation lawsuit against Salem, as well as the team behind the movie: right wing commentator Dinesh D’Souza, and the group True the Vote.
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Salem Media Statement
Salem Media Group, Inc.’s (OTCQX: SALM) former publishing division, Regnery Publishing (together, “Salem”), published a film and book entitled 2000 Mules that examines allegations of voter fraud related to the 2020 presidential election. In publishing the film and the book, we relied on representations made to us by Dinesh D’Souza and True the Vote, Inc. (“TTV”) that the individuals depicted in the videos provided to us by TTV, including Mr. Andrews, illegally deposited ballots. We have learned that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has cleared Mr. Andrews of illegal voting activity in connection with the event depicted in 2000 Mules.

It was never our intent that the publication of the 2000 Mules film and book would harm Mr. Andrews. We apologize for the hurt the inclusion of Mr. Andrews’ image in the movie, book, and promotional materials have caused Mr. Andrews and his family. We have removed the film from Salem’s platforms, and there will be no future distribution of the film or the book by Salem.
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Texas97 said:
here's another option. Trump beats the steal, and as Jamie Raskin has already stated, they deny him the confirmation on January 6th due to the 14th amendment. There only needs to be about 3-4 republican elected officials to go along with the Dems and he's "denied". it would probably throw the country into a civil war but thats what they have wanted for a long time.
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Options are better than plans.

I think the Deep State has many, many options lined up to keep Trump out of the Whitehouse.

I fully expect at least one more assassination attempt.
I fully expect more indictments and/or convictions (running out of time for convictions though)
I fully expect some sort of play in the courts concerning ballots or eligibility.
I fully expect massive amounts of elections shenanigans including voter turnout exceeding 100% in certain key counties.
I fully expect that if he does manage to "beat the steal" that They'll have at least 3 more options lined up to keep him out.

I think he did more damage to the Deep State run Swamp than They want to admit, and They will do anything to keep him out.

I also think that 2016 caught Them off-guard (They had no options planned to deal with a Trump win), but there were multiple options in the works for the 2020 election that didn't need to be exercised (e.g. an assassination) due to Their success in cheating.
 
DannyK said:
Well shit. I guess I will just stay home and not bother voting then.
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Or get pissed enough to step off of the porch when it is clear they cheated (e.g. Trump gets 80+ million votes, but Kamala gets 90+).

At some point there has to be a line other than "when they come to take my guns"; I'm not sure what that line is for me personally either though. But there are days where I watch my son walk into his school with tears in my eyes wondering what kind of life he'll have in the country I'm leaving him.
 
Texas97 said:
so in general, we all hate when politicians dont tell us what they are going to do when they get elected. or tell us one thing, and do another?

well, almost to a fault, Trump is telling us and has been telling us exactly what he is going to do. same thing he did in the run-up to 2016. and then he followed through, for the most part.
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golly that swamp sure got drained
 
gladman said:
wait, so there was less election cheating before 1820? How many elections were happening around the world before 1820?
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where'd you get the 1820 number?

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