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Climate Change fear: the new Religion

At one point in this video, he makes a great statement: "Most young people these days don't know or remember any of this, they weren't around". (Paraphrased)




I'm old enough to remember the calls that a ice age was coming. National Geographic had a issue with that on the cover.
For the kids that weren't born then. The real problem is that they aren't being taught about it in school. All the school books have been rewritten by folks who aren't really concerned about the truth as much as they are an agenda.

I truly feel sorry for the kids these days. 12 years of being taught lies (by adults) during the most influential part of your life is going to make it tough to accept the actual truth.

Humans have a big problem thinking we're more important than we really are. Mother Earth doesn't give two fucks about what is scurrying around on the surface. In fact I'd bet she'd be happy if we doubled the amount of CO2 so the plants would grow better.
 
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Climate The Movie: Watch Here



This film exposes the climate alarm as an invented scare without any basis in science. It shows that mainstream studies and official data do not support the claim that we are witnessing an increase in extreme weather events – hurricanes, droughts, heatwaves, wildfires and all the rest. It emphatically counters the claim that current temperatures and levels of atmospheric CO2 are unusually and worryingly high. On the contrary, it is very clearly the case, as can be seen in all mainstream studies, that, compared to the last half billion years of earth’s history, both current temperatures and CO2 levels are extremely and unusually low. We are currently in an ice age. It also shows that there is no evidence that changing levels of CO2 (it has changed many times) has ever ‘driven’ climate change in the past.


Why then, are we told, again and again, that ‘catastrophic man-made climate-change’ is an irrefutable fact? Why are we told that there is no evidence that contradicts it? Why are we told that anyone who questions ‘climate chaos’ is a ‘flat-earther’ and a ‘science-denier’?


The film explores the nature of the consensus behind climate change. It describes the origins of the climate funding bandwagon, and the rise of the trillion-dollar climate industry. It describes the hundreds of thousands of jobs that depend on the climate crisis. It explains the enormous pressure on scientists and others not to question the climate alarm: the withdrawal of funds, rejection by science journals, social ostracism.


But the climate alarm is much more than a funding and jobs bandwagon. The film explores the politics of climate. From the beginning, the climate scare was political. The culprit was free-market industrial capitalism. The solution was higher taxes and more regulation. From the start, the climate alarm appealed to, and has been adopted and promoted by, those groups who favour bigger government.


This is the unspoken political divide behind the climate alarm. The climate scare appeals especially to all those in the sprawling publicly-funded establishment. This includes the largely publicly-funded Western intelligentsia, for whom climate has become a moral cause. In these circles, to criticise or question the climate alarm has become a breach of social etiquette.


The film was shot on location in the U.S., Israel, Kenya and UK.


The film includes interviews with a number of very prominent scientists, including Professor Steven Koonin (author of ‘Unsettled’, a former provost and vice-president of Caltech), Professor Dick Lindzen (formerly professor of meteorology at Harvard and MIT), Professor Will Happer (professor of physics at Princeton), Dr John Clauser (winner of the Nobel prize in Physics in 2022), Professor Nir Shaviv (Racah Institute of Physics) and others.






 
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At one point in this video, he makes a great statement: "Most young people these days don't know or remember any of this, they weren't around". (Paraphrased)

The same applies to those that want to abolish the EPA and waterways protections. They don't remember how bad it was before moderate regulation was in place. And they can't comprehend how bad it would get if it was returned to the 50's level of oversight.

Sometimes government is useful, and enforcing accountability for someone dumping toxic waste 50 miles upstream from your place on a river is one of those times.

Heck one of our local rivers ran different colors depending on what the paper mill was doing that week, up till the late 80's. The mud on the bottom still tests high in cadmium & lead. There's been huge progress in stopping mess makers from passing on the costs of their free enterprise to everyone else trying to live a healthy life around them.

I visited China in the early 2000s and the air was foul and the rivers gross. That's where we'd be if it wasn't for regulation.
 
Ranchtruck is right but that illustrates how twisted the climate industry has grown since then. There wasn't a worldwide attempt at control.
 
One of the puppet heads on ny news said the increased weight of the water on the coasts due to climate change might be the reason.
 
I visited China in the early 2000s and the air was foul and the rivers gross. That's where we'd be if it wasn't for regulation.
That's not how it works. That's never how it works.

Public policy always lags public support. They never pass laws until after things are moving a direction. Industry was already cleaning up and the .gov swooped in, passed laws, took credit and you fell for it.

Same story with child labor, worker safety, etc, etc.
 
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That's not how it works. That's never how it works.

Public policy always lags public support. They never pass laws until after things are moving a direction. Industry was already cleaning up and the .gov swooped in, passed laws, took credit and you fell for it.

Same story with child labor, worker safety, etc, etc.
Bullshit. Industry does not respond to public support. It responds to profitability. When you're producing a nasty by product in your industrial process the most profitable solution is dumping it in the public space. A national company doesn't give a flying fuck if the affected locals boycot their products. What cuts into profitability is the teeth of legal punishment.

First people have to be sick of the shit and campaign for laws to limit the shit. Then the laws get enforced through financial pain to the generators of the shit. Only then does corporate policy change for a more responsible management of the shit.

Our whole area was a dumping ground for industry. A large photographic supply company used to regularly send out trucks for a country drive with a drain valve cracked, don't come back till the tanks empty. My street has 2 houses built on asbestos demolition debris fill. Another has a hillside made of trash & mystery barrels, from a commercial trash company. The next generation of that same family charges $70 to pick up a mattress or couch on their trash route, then burns them on their farm on cloudy days.

The dump 2 towns over (which is right next to the river) had thousands of gallons of TCE & other solvents dumped there by a local machine parts manufacturer.

There's a shop in Fitchburg that got rid of a couple hundred gallons of PCB transformer oil by burning it in a waste oil heater after the tanker truckload of drain oil got rejected for contamination, and that was less than 10 years ago.

The easy solution is always to make it some one else's problem, weather it goes out a pipe, up a stack, or dumped out somewhere quiet. It's like throwing trash out your window, or pouring oil down a storm drain. There's always a cocksucker selfish enough to do it, and the only thing that keeps them from doing it more is the fear of legal consequences.

Arsebag has bragged about doing both as some sort of political statement. He's badass like that.
 
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Bullshit. Industry does not respond to public support. It responds to profitability. When you're producing a nasty by product in your industrial process the most profitable solution is dumping it in the public space.
Whoever is harmed can/should sue.
What cuts into profitability is the teeth of legal punishment.
Which can be handled perfectly fine within normal civil litigation without the need for bullshit government regulators and laws and whatnot.

First people have to be sick of the shit and campaign for laws to limit the shit. Then the laws get enforced through financial pain to the generators of the shit. Only then does corporate policy change for a more responsible management of the shit.

Our whole area was a dumping ground for industry.

The entire northeast and midwest was a dumping ground for industry for the better part of a century before they even had any notion of "pollution" and with a handful of exceptions it turned out fine.

A large photographic supply company used to regularly send out trucks for a country drive with a drain valve cracked, don't come back till the tanks empty. My street has 2 houses built on asbestos demolition debris fill. Another has a hillside made of trash & mystery barrels, from a commercial trash company. The next generation of that same family charges $70 to pick up a mattress or couch on their trash route, then burns them on their farm on cloudy days.
All of which could be solved with civil litigation.

Town can sue the photographic company for dumping on their roads.

Homeowners should sue the SoFrieds and real estate people for building on contaminated dumping sites and misrepresenting that they did so. If you're worried about your land becoming value-less because of some future discovery then buy insurance against that. There are already free-market solutions to this sort of shit.

The dump 2 towns over (which is right next to the river) had thousands of gallons of TCE & other solvents dumped there by a local machine parts manufacturer.
Whoever made the mistake needs to clean it up. If it's nobody's fault then don't clean it up and let the land be worthless.

There's a shop in Fitchburg that got rid of a couple hundred gallons of PCB transformer oil by burning it in a waste oil heater after the tanker truckload of drain oil got rejected for contamination, and that was less than 10 years ago.
Whoever is harmed can/should sue. It's that simple.

There's always a cocksucker selfish enough to do it,
And there's always some worthless, short sighted piece of human filth that wants to kneecap all of society over those handful of people because in your ignorance you don't understand that it's cheaper to just individually insulate against the effects of those people and mitigate them when they do happen than to fuck everyone over as a deterrent.
 
The civil lawsuit system is pretty ineffectual because for the most part whoever has the most money for lawyers wins. A corporation polluting will always have more $ to spend than a homeowner just trying to be left alone. Proving "harm" from a pollutant that kills slowly over time is difficult, and the lawyers will bleed the claimant out before the doctors & cancer finally do.

And it's not just a handful of shitbags like you polluting, it was standard practice until the rules of play changed with the establishment of national environmental regulation. You can't compete if your company pays to run a clean operation and the other guy gets to dump his waste in the river for free.

China gained their position by running dirty, and everyone knew it and bought their inexpensively produced products anyway. So the whole idea that there's a financial incentive to running a responsible industry is proven false. Our country chose to protect the resources of clean land, water and air and we're better for it. What crippled the industry was the free trade with countries that chose to make a mess.

The whole Superfund system was established because of the too bad so sad can't get blood from a stone deals where the mess maker has no chance of paying for a cleanup. That's dealing with some of the worst of the "century of mostly harmless pollution" because ignoring a problem rarely improves it.

I've volunteered a lot of time hauling dumped crap out of the woods and off the roadsides. It's pretty disappointing to see a dumbass bragging about his filthy ways and then advocating for rolling back the rules so his shitty behavior could be normalized again. But that's the difference between having community pride and being selfish trash.
 
The whole Superfund system was established because of the too bad so sad can't get blood from a stone deals where the mess maker has no chance of paying for a cleanup. That's dealing with some of the worst of the "century of mostly harmless pollution" because ignoring a problem rarely improves it.

The whole Superfund thing was established to get tax payer money to clean up sites for big business, so they could keep their profits.
 
Who knew it's Switzerland's fault

Verdict saying Switzerland violated rights by failing on climate action could ripple across Europe​


BY MOLLY QUELL AND RAF CASERT
Updated 8:06 PM MDT, April 9, 2024
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STRASBOURG, France (AP) — Europe’s highest human rights court ruled Tuesday that countries must better protect their people from the consequences of climate change, siding with a group of older Swiss women against their government in a landmark ruling that could have implications across the continent.
The European Court of Human Rights rejected two other, similar cases on procedural grounds — a high-profile one brought by Portuguese young people and another by a French mayor that sought to force governments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
But the Swiss case, nonetheless, sets a legal precedent in the Council of Europe’s 46 member states against which future lawsuits will be judged.
“This is a turning point,” said Corina Heri, an expert in climate change litigation at the University of Zurich.

Although activists have had success with lawsuits in domestic proceedings, this was the first time an international court ruled on climate change — and the first decision confirming that countries have an obligation to protect people from its effects, according to Heri.

She said it would open the door to more legal challenges in the countries that are members of the Council of Europe, which includes the 27 EU nations as well as many others from Britain to Turkey.

The Swiss ruling softened the blow for those who lost Tuesday.

“The most important thing is that the court has said in the Swiss women’s case that governments must cut their emissions more to protect human rights,” said 19-year-od Sofia Oliveira, one of the Portuguese plaintiffs. “Their win is a win for us, too, and a win for everyone!”

The court — which is unrelated to the European Union — ruled that Switzerland “had failed to comply with its duties” to combat climate change and meet emissions targets.

That, the court said, was a violation of the women’s rights, noting that the European Convention on Human Rights guarantees people “effective protection by the state authorities from the serious adverse effects of climate change on their lives, health, well-being and quality of life.”

A group called Senior Women for Climate Protection, whose average age is 74, had argued that they were particularly affected because older women are most vulnerable to the extreme heat that is becoming more frequent.

“The court recognized our fundamental right to a healthy climate and to have our country do what it failed to do until now: that is to say taking ambitious measures to protect our health and protect the future of all,” said Anne Mahrer, a member of the group.

Switzerland said it would study the decision to see what steps would be needed. “We have to, in good faith, implement and execute the judgment,” Alain Chablais, who represented the country at last year’s hearings, told The Associated Press.

Judge Siofra O’Leary, the court’s president, stressed that it would be up to governments to decide how to approach climate change obligations — and experts noted that was a limit of the ruling.

“The European Court of Human Rights stopped short of ordering the Swiss government to take any specific action, underscoring that relief from the Swiss government ‘necessarily depends on democratic decision-making’ to enact the laws necessary to impose such a remedy,” said Richard Lazarus, a professor at Harvard Law School who specializes in environmental and natural resources law.

Activists have argued that many governments have not grasped the gravity of the climate change — and are increasingly looking to the courts to force them to do more to ensure global warming is held to 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels, in line with the goals of the Paris climate agreement.

A judge in Montana ruled last year that state agencies were violating the constitutional right to a clean environment by allowing fossil fuel development — a first-of-its- kind trial in the U.S. that added to a small number of similar legal decisions around the world.

As part of trying to meet climate goals, the European Union, which doesn’t include Switzerland, currently has a target to be climate-neutral by 2050. Despite those efforts, the Earth shattered global annual heat records in 2023 and flirted with the world’s agreed-upon warming threshold, Copernicus, a European climate agency, said in January.

Celebrity climate activist Greta Thunberg was in the courtroom as the decision was announced. “These rulings are a call to action. They underscore the importance of taking our national governments to court,” the 21-year-old Swede told the AP.

“The first ruling by an international human rights court on the inadequacy of states’ climate action leaves no doubt,” said Joie Chowdhury, senior attorney with the Center for International Environmental Law, “the climate crisis is a human rights crisis.”
 
Waiting for Switzerland to leave any formal agreements they had with this bullshit.
 
That's not how it works. That's never how it works.

Public policy always lags public support. They never pass laws until after things are moving a direction. Industry was already cleaning up and the .gov swooped in, passed laws, took credit and you fell for it.

Same story with child labor, worker safety, etc, etc.

That's nonsense. On any level, that's just incorrect. You wail and flail at the .gov boogeyman so much that you are near lunatic on this. :shaking:
 
The whole Superfund thing was established to get tax payer money to clean up sites for big business, so they could keep their profits.

The superfund sites are limited to abandoned sites with no responsible party. So you can mold that into what you say, or not.
 
The superfund sites are limited to abandoned sites with no responsible party. So you can mold that into what you say, or not.
There is always a (ir) responsible party, abandoned doesn't/shouldn't get you out of responsibility.
 
There is always a (ir) responsible party, abandoned doesn't/shouldn't get you out of responsibility.
Morally yes, legally no. Thats why superfund was established. This is very very old news.
 
An interesting commentary about the reliability of the proxies used to estimate pre-instrumental temperatures.

 
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