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Meanwhile I drive old open diff full size pickups on steep rocky rutted roads passing dozens of AWD Subarus and Easter egg SUVs that had to pull over and park and walk rougher stretches as the "drivers" stare incredulously at my antiques cruising on by.Unless you have basically none ground clearance matters a hell of a lot less than approach/break-over/departure angle and none of those mean shit if your garbage is lifting a tire on a washout.
Didn't we just have a thread about why humvees suck?
I'm sure they are. But this is akin to wanting to ban guns because of criminals. I'm fine with making recommendations for equipment to travel on a road and then fining the shit out of people who have to be rescued due to operating less than recommended equipment. But fuck right off from coming after people who navigate the road just fine through skill (or dumb luck, either way) with less than recommended equipment.
So then all else being equal wouldn't you do better in a more performant rig?Neither, that’s why I can pilot a clapped out open diff rig
You actually bring up a good point. I haven't had a good time in a rental in ages. I was hoping for something exciting when my truck got hit(also known as any vehicle with an ebrake), but their insurance has been dragging their feet and I don't have that policy on mine.Some of y'all haven't done dumb shit in a rental in decades and oh boy does it fucking show.
I've not, but the guy in question drove it, according to the article I read on it several months ago, the whole way through, in a Subaru. That proves to me that he was fine to be there; if he'd needed rescue, the pricetag of that rescue should serve as punishment/deterrent enough. There are several 4x4 trails in Colorado posted with signs saying things like "minimum tow bill past this point $500" that seem to work just fine, reality is probably into thousands, and if you don't pay, they (tow company) keep your car.
Or when you're deep into where you shouldn't be come across a couple dirt bikers who also shouldn't be there going the other way.hasn't all of us been 4 hours off a road taking a lunch break along the trail on some mountain top, and some pot heads in a full sizes 2WD astro van came bouncing by give you a friendly wave and not even slow down
FWD or RWD shitbox on a "high clearance 4x4" road makes for an easier recovery than a rig fit for a rock crawling trail on a rock crawling trail
People seem to be forgetting the Driver gets a vote as well. This whole concept is stupid. Its not really more resources unless there is an injury accident or something that requires investigation(s). Otherwise a stuck rig is recovered by either a private tow company I thought was the usual. But regardless it shouldn’t make a shit bit of difference. If someone becomes a trail tampon on a trail that is rated for 4x4 rigs make them pay for all costs.Meanwhile I drive old open diff full size pickups on steep rocky rutted roads passing dozens of AWD Subarus and Easter egg SUVs that had to pull over and park and walk rougher stretches as the "drivers" stare incredulously at my antiques cruising on by.
Doubt they care- they've got a bazillion influencers posting pictures of awkwardly lifted crosstreks with bolt on tube bumpers, a gas can, and a snarkle parked on sunset soaked dirt turnouts all over the country.
I don't know how it is now (I'm assuming it's gotten worse), but back when I went a lot, the park service sold contracts to towing companies for the right to recover a rig. It was Arnie's and one other back then. No other commercial tow companies were allowed to tow people off the beach and would be fined if they did. It also led to the two tow companies getting hyper-sensitive about people helping each other recover out there as well- you could get busted for towing a stranger off the beach and back up to one of the ramps into town.
It's the shoulder thingy that goes up.
On my way to the local annual event in Logandale, I spotted a dyke BLM ranger high centered, so I turned around and pulled her off the little hill. Next day she was harrassing wheelers on specified trails. I reminded her that I had to pull her wide ass off a little hill that anyone with any skill would not have gotten stuck on.The rangers are probably sick of having to tow people out. I totally sympathize with them, as I've had to help out a few poorly equipped people on our local public lands in the past as well:
Fuck.
Line em' up. Ginsberg, Feinstein, Biden, Carter. Carter was removed by ballot, Biden by Coup, and Feiny & Ginny by death while serving.
Civic territoryPictures of the trail in question:
