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Arborvitae and Spite

CJNTN said:
I would not plant only Arbors. If one gets sick, you could lose them all. Its better to mix/match different varieties. Throw some Leland Cyprus in there too. They grow FAST!
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Lelands are probably not hardy.
 
Tiha said:
Not sure where you are at but look for state programs.

Here in Iowa we have a state program that uses prisoners to harvest trees.

I ordered 75 saplings (12-18" tall) for like $25.

I received 85 trees. quite a few less than 12" tall.

Had to water some the first year but every tree survived. Never expected that and so I had planted many too close together and am having to decide on which ones to cut now or pay someone to come move.

Great program but you have to order months ahead because they sell out and when they call you need to go pick them up right now and plant them right now.
Be ready to jump basically.
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We have quite a few tree nurseries here locally and I don't need many so I was probably gonna grab some 6-8 footers to give me a good head start.
 
Growth/ time reference

Planted summer of '19, were around 5' tall. Currently around 12'.

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Here4memes said:
I've heard a few times that Chain link fencing with "hedge link" slats is the best fence bang for the buck for fencing for long term. But I'm not made of that $ to know...

Depending on location, And how old you are or plan to live there. My stained wood fence lasted about 15 years now and it needs replaced fairly soon if not yesterday.

And Leland cypress grows out of hand in about the 6th or 8th year. And it burns like crazy! I had to cut a row down once.

I was also given the best advise from a kid waiting in line in front of me when I too took a baggie of soil sample into my local college. I mentioned that I had one, then another, then another die. He looked me in the eye and said "then why don't you just plant something else".:homer: I've never felt so stupid to have dug a baggie of dirt to have driven to be waiting in a line in my life as I patted him on the back and left.:laughing:

That's when I pulled an extra Leland up in both directions from the ones that died and planted "Wax Leaf Ligustrum" in that area. Wished I'd planted that from the start.

Soule88, I think the distance from the line is relative to how comfortable you are with the neighbor, how much cheap vodka you buy and how much future shit you are ready to take from your neighbor or future neighbors. My neighbor was close to just being asked for a gun dual to get the misery over with so mine went like 1" off the line if that and she couldn't say nothing.

I lucked out and now have cool neighbors. 8"-12" sounds ideal to me.
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Existing fence is 6" and no one has really bitched directly at me, so im probably going to roll with it.
 
JD Mark said:
Around here, the past 5-6 years, well established mature arbs have been dying. There can be a row of 10 or 15 and 1 will die or 2 or 3 will.

Really not sure what's going on.
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I'm in S.E. Michigan I treated my arbs for very small bugs can't remember there name but will eat the shit out of row of trees in no time.
 
KrustyTJ said:
I'm in S.E. Michigan I treated my arbs for very small bugs can't remember there name but will eat the shit out of row of trees in no time.
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In TN that applies to most of the evergreens including both Arbor and Cyprus. Specifically bagworms are the worst.
 
CJNTN said:
In what way? They grow fast and thick without maintenance and survive pretty cold temps.
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Leylands are hardy in Zones 6-10.

Depending on where the OP is in central Illanoyed, he might be in zone 5b. Or zone 6a.

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The problem is the USDA is full of global warming assholes so they have been screwing around with the zones the last few years. Theoretically, I am in 6a now. The problem is the assholes in the USDA either haven't asked the plants what zone they can survive in or they think just arbitrarily changing zones makes it so.

The greater majority of plants that are hardy in zone 6a will NOT survive winter in my area. Very likely the same for the OP as central Illanoyed can get very cold occasionally.
 
grumpy356 said:
I have hedges of clumping bamboo.

It’s tall and pretty thick.

I like it.

I’ll try to get a pic when I get home.

In before “bamboo is the devil”
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Kinda shitty pics, and i don’t groom it like it needs, but with enough imagination maybe you can see the vision.
 
DR. SMASHER said:
The deer don't eat Green Giant arbs.
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Not that I've seen yet either. Not sure what is different about them.

But they would be a tad too big for OP's needs. :lmao:

On the flip side, I've been seeing plants getting et by deers that I have never seen et before. And are supposedly 100% deer proof. Peonies, dogwood, coneflower, astilbe. They've even been going after hemlocks, white pine, Norway spruce, some upright junipers...you name it.
 
JD Mark said:
Not that I've seen yet either. Not sure what is different about them.

But they would be a tad too big for OP's needs. :lmao:

On the flip side, I've been seeing plants getting et by deers that I have never seen et before. And are supposedly 100% deer proof. Peonies, dogwood, coneflower, astilbe. They've even been going after hemlocks, white pine, Norway spruce, some upright junipers...you name it.
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I've got a shit ton of Green Giants and the deer have never eaten them. I do have tremendous amounts of farmland around me though so, even though the deer population is insane. There is lots form them to eat. Where you are they may not have enough food because I have seen areas where they are starved and will eat anything green or brown.

Thats not to say that I don't regularly see them eating plants off the edge of peoples porches or decks.

They don't eat my friends Norways.
 
Well, fence will go up in the next couple weeks. Did the 811 request this morning.
My wife had a thought though.. put the fence up, then plant the arborvitae. Nothing to maintain if they are up against the fence... getting really tight on space but what could go wrong.

Also, did you know you can by LED parking lot lights on amazon? When you mount them on the peak of your building it does a great job of providing 24/7 daylight to everything within say 75 yards or so.
Here comes the sun doo doo doo doo
 
landscraper said:
Moths lay eggs, they hatch, then the caterpillars use the foilage to make houses until they pupate. They'll eat up Arbs or Cypress in no time.


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Yep, just never had them over on this side of the state.
 
No regrets from me- i planted some green giant Arbs to supplement a fence, and they really took off after getting established in the first 1.5-2 yrs. Same with the dozen or so I added out front a year later- 1.5 yrs or so and then the growth rate takes off like you wouldn't believe.

4 yrs ago at installation (i think these were ~10-15 gallon sized plants).:


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Today from the other side of the ~5'8" fence:


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all I've done after watering them for the first 4-6 weeks is give them a couple scoops of 10-10-10 spring & fall

never tried trimming them, but will eventually need to if they start expanding into the pool deck space.

theres a handful of deer that frequent the yard within 50 yds of these and they havent bothered them.
 
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Hang and 8'x10' banner of a blown up picture of your chocolate starfish on the side of your house facing hers.
Start butchering chickens in your front yard.
Put on 50 lbs and walk around in your boxers farting and scratching your ass and crotch.

Nosey fuckers get a show.
 
This person is issued to every neighborhood in the world, I lived in town, I had one, I moved to acreage, now the guy that runs the Association at the very end of the road tries to tell me what to do (but can't)

I just ignore them and don't give them any ammo to justify their shitty actions against you. Ironically, this will be the thing that will drive them fucking bonkers

I just took care of my road (vegetation) and the guy this week sent a bill out to all the neighbors for the work that he 'paid for'. Unfortunately there was a neighborhood BBQ this weekend, and I went down and casually mentioned that I did the work. So we will see how long it takes for that to backfire on him

I do subtle things, like hang flagging ribbon, or set up a silt fence so people can see. It pleases me to know that they are down at the courthouse trying to figure out what I am doing, but I am not doing anything :laughing:

Typically in one of their rants, I will inform them that I am a typical white boy, and I can be bought out of the neighborhood. Start writing the check, I will let you know when you hit the correct amount of zeros and I will leave. It is that simple.

Cant do anything about taking pictures unfortunately, weird thing, my guy likes to take pictures too. I don't know what they think they are doing but they are using their limited time on this earth stressing over you, and me.....I feel special :laughing:
 
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