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Anyone actually use the Milestar black label tires?

Picked up some 40s from Woody yesterday, see how they do tomorrow. Never had stickies and they're replacing some 5 year old DOT procomps. For the price can't go wrong, and no doubt will perform better than I'm used to. I'm very excited!

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Grendel said:
I think I need some.
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There pretty unbeatable for the price.but the tread pattern leaves me skeptical about if they work if there is any mud/moisture around. I'd be curious on your take on them in New England terrain vs the what the guys using them in Moab, Sand Hollow and other dry sandpaper rock west coast stuff say about them.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
There pretty unbeatable for the price, but the tread pattern leaves me skeptical if they work if there is any mud/moisture. I'd be curious on your take on them in New England terrain vs the what the guys using them in Moab, Sand Hollow and other dry sandpaper rock west coast stuff say about them.
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Compared to what though?

Obviously they won't compare to swampers or treps, but compared to other similar tires like nitto, cooper's, ect. The outter lugs have larger gaps and should clean out better.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Compared to what though?

Obviously they won't compare to swampers or treps, but compared to other similar tires like nitto, cooper's, ect. The outter lugs have larger gaps and should clean out better.
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Should and do are two different things. Reds work awesome in New England and aren't exactly an MT but sticky swampers are hit or miss depending on who you ask up there.
 
OK, I gotcha, you're talking like wet/slippery rocks, not just mud between obstacles.

Ya, red labels are ridiculous on wet rocks. It has nothing to do with tread pattern though, it's the compound of reds.
 
Nothing a tire groover can't assist with....we've been opening the center lugs from 1/4" to 1/2-5/8". I know others are opening the outer lugs as well. 15-20 minutes/tire with a good groover.

They are hard to beat for the price.

Edit: the 42/17 will be out in 2025
Edit2: "comp" version in 2026, I hope...discussed at SEMA
 
'84 Bronco II said:
What's up with the comp version? Just a different compound, or construction/pattern changes too?
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discussed :) MY design would include construction and pattern changes. Time will tell, it's a tall order to develop something that can be profitable.
 
Funny how different the tires work all over the country. All the battles over all these new "stickie" tires which works best here and there.. I'll say sx stickies perform the best everywhere. Not to be confused with they are the best everywhere, but they are very predictable and will not leave you feeling you wishing you had better tires anywhere. Just from my observations over the years.
Milestar, Falken, pro comp, Goodyear (off the top of my head) all decent sticky tires but all had sidewall problems in trail wheeler applications. I think the sidewall issues should be addressed before pattern changes come. That seems to be all their weaknesses over the years. I can't think of any huge complaints of my tread sucks over the years. Not saying the south east wouldn't complain about all treads listed besides swamper lol.
 
POR said:
Funny how different the tires work all over the country. All the battles over all these new "stickie" tires which works best here and there.. I'll say sx stickies perform the best everywhere. Not to be confused with they are the best everywhere, but they are very predictable and will not leave you feeling you wishing you had better tires anywhere. Just from my observations over the years.
Milestar, Falken, pro comp, Goodyear (off the top of my head) all decent sticky tires but all had sidewall problems in trail wheeler applications. I think the sidewall issues should be addressed before pattern changes come. That seems to be all their weaknesses over the years. I can't think of any huge complaints of my tread sucks over the years. Not saying the south east wouldn't complain about all treads listed besides swamper lol.
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Majority of comp guys run Reds and Treps. That should tell you something right there. For all around traction on the rocks, they are the biggest name in comps but the Milestars are coming on strong. Pretty rare to see a SX in rock comps. (although I have a buddy who has run them east coast comp and done decent)
For rec wheeling, I think you are right. I've wheeled east to west coast with a variety of sticky tires and I've zeroed in on SX stickies. Not to say if woody would want to donate a set of Milestars for me to run I wouldn't run them. :lmao: For all around rock wheeling, I still think Reds have the edge but they aren't the best all around wheeling tire. SX's work better in the dirt, mud and definitely snow.
 
The way I put it all the time anymore. Woody is out there doing stuff on milestars the rest of you wouldn’t do on any tire. And then I share some video links.

If you aren’t joining these guys on the big sh!t, you aren’t seeing sh!t. Dave Wong won a bunch of events and the championship in unlimited with W.E.rock on Milestars this year. His competition are Krawlers and Trepadors.


 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
There pretty unbeatable for the price.but the tread pattern leaves me skeptical about if they work if there is any mud/moisture around. I'd be curious on your take on them in New England terrain vs the what the guys using them in Moab, Sand Hollow and other dry sandpaper rock west coast stuff say about them.
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Thanks, I am thinking about them for the IH, a tow rig. The company started in big rig tires, so I have to think they can build a decent road going tire in a LDT size.

I also end up wheeling everywhere else, but here... since there's not much wheeling here in New England anymore. It's all privately owned, and I've pretty much done it 3434545645634532452345 times on TSL/SX II's. So they'd go well on my YJ, too.
 
I actually have not heard of a single sidewall issue with the 42" Milestars, including buggies in AZ. Considering the number of 42 Black's I've personally sold (over 100), I'd expect a report/complaint regarding sidewalls. I know of a few 40's with sidewall cuts, most in heavier vehicles running overly low pressures. I poked a hole in a 40 in Delta dragging a sidewall up the gunnite. Unsure if it was a piece of wire or the stupidly sharp rocks.

Reds have a "dead" sidewall/casing, which is advantageous for throttle climbs and big bumps. Their rubber compound is impressive. The latest Red's are on an updated compound, designed to help them break in quicker. (which in my mind, also means they wear out quicker...time will tell). Reds have forever had sidewall issues at lower pressure, "locals" here stick to the 9ish psi range to help prevent that.

The WE Rock National title came down to the tiebreaker rules, Brassanini on Reds, Haines on Treps, Wong on Milestars. All three are great drivers, and clearly understand how to make their cars and tires work in varied terrain.

There is no perfect tire that covers every situation. But, considering Milestars are 1/2 the price of Treps or Reds, they can't be beat at their price point.
 
woody said:
I actually have not heard of a single sidewall issue with the 42" Milestars, including buggies in AZ. Considering the number of 42 Black's I've personally sold (over 100), I'd expect a report/complaint regarding sidewalls. I know of a few 40's with sidewall cuts, most in heavier vehicles running overly low pressures. I poked a hole in a 40 in Delta dragging a sidewall up the gunnite. Unsure if it was a piece of wire or the stupidly sharp rocks
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Didn’t BleepinMatt cut 2 or 3 42” sidewalls on one trail? His Cherokee thing certainly qualifies for the heavier vehicle designation.
 
I always have to laugh when people compare a tsl sx side wall to something like a red label or milstar. Bias vs radial, and heavy tires vs not as heavy. They just aren't the same.

Just because they aren't tsl sx sidewalls, doesn't mean they're weak.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I always have to laugh when people compare a tsl sx side wall to something like a red label or milstar. Bias vs radial, and heavy tires vs not as heavy. They just aren't the same.

Just because they aren't tsl sx sidewalls, doesn't mean they're weak.
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True and I know the difference.
That said, As a rec wheeler, I have been running Reds since 2010 or so. I have cut a Red sidewall about once a year, sometimes more. I have been running SX’s for four years and have yet to cut a sidewall. So yeah, there is a reason to have the sidewall discussion.
 
white-rhino said:
True and I know the difference.
That said, As a rec wheeler, I have been running Reds since 2010 or so. I have cut a Red sidewall about once a year, sometimes more. I have been running SX’s for four years and have yet to cut a sidewall. So yeah, there is a reason to have the sidewall discussion.
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white-rhino said:
Majority of comp guys run Reds and Treps. That should tell you something right there. For all around traction on the rocks, they are the biggest name in comps but the Milestars are coming on strong. Pretty rare to see a SX in rock comps. (although I have a buddy who has run them east coast comp and done decent)
For rec wheeling, I think you are right. I've wheeled east to west coast with a variety of sticky tires and I've zeroed in on SX stickies. Not to say if woody would want to donate a set of Milestars for me to run I wouldn't run them. :lmao: For all around rock wheeling, I still think Reds have the edge but they aren't the best all around wheeling tire. SX's work better in the dirt, mud and definitely snow.
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I really try and stay from the who's running what race car stuff argument. . thats a whole different world and that's all application specific mostly, Just like the different topical areas. My point more was, my off top of head list was weak sidewalls were the most complaints I've run into hearing and witnessing on the trails.
 
POR said:
I really try and stay from the who's running what race car stuff argument. . thats a whole different world and that's all application specific mostly, Just like the different topical areas. My point more was, my off top of head list was weak sidewalls were the most complaints I've run into hearing and witnessing on the trails.
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Understood. Reds seem to be the only weak sidewall tire I hear about. And since this is a Milestar thread and we are off topic, I’ve never heard of Milestars having weak sidewalls. My only personal experience with them was a set of 34” Pats, which worked well for me.
 
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