Acceptable or destroying water supply?

[Stingray]

Cool Starry time:
I had a friend who lived in low income .Gov apartments in east San Jose by Story Rd and Capitol Expressway. He pointed out the sewer (storm drain) gratings in the parking lot were all black with orl from the residents there pulling up on the curb over the drains to drain their orl right into the sewer when changing orl in their cars.

Our residential underground transformers from time to time end up being waste oil storage tanks.
It plays hell on the rubber components.

 

[rockmup]

Which side of town? Close to the dump?

Grant St. I was backed up to Fort Ord

 

[bad zuki]

Really. Most of the larger landfills around here have small-ish generators that run of the gas and back feed the grid. There was one I worked on that piped the gas about a mile away to feed a cement plant. Guessing they used it to heat the kilns. No clue what goes in to those systems or if they do any kind of scrubbing before they can burn it though.

We have some legacy dumps all contained together. They tried burning it in generators, but it would eat through the injection components. I'll have to find a picture.

 

[[486]]

We have some legacy dumps all contained together. They tried burning it in generators, but it would eat through the injection components. I'll have to find a picture.

Run it through a boiler instead?

 

[71PA_Highboy]

More likely a ground marble bed (calcium carbonate) and then some good air filters. removing acidity from a gas isn't hard, but cost efficacy may not be there.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Grant St. I was backed up to Fort Ord

All good on that side too. Nothing but superfund site for miles.

 

[bad zuki]

Run it through a boiler instead?

No, no, no that would make too much sense. There is also a trash incinerator for the college as well.

 

[[486]]

No, no, no that would make too much sense. There is also a trash incinerator for the college as well.

I kinda wanna play with steam turbines in a small scale

thinking it'd be as simple as direct coupling something to a normal AC motor
turn the motor on and let it spin up, then hit it with steam and the motor turns into a generator

 

[bgaidan]

I kinda wanna play with steam turbines in a small scale

thinking it'd be as simple as direct coupling something to a normal AC motor
turn the motor on and let it spin up, then hit it with steam and the motor turns into a generator

I'd think you'd need to regulate the speed somehow to get consistent voltage. Probably easier with an old surplus generator head.

 

[BIG-O]

Better question...Coolant? Around here the auto parts stores don't take it, gotta take it to the hazmat place which is a PAIN!

 

[[486]]

I'd think you'd need to regulate the speed somehow to get consistent voltage. Probably easier with an old surplus generator head.

that's what the grid tie is for

Ain't gotta regulate anything but the amperage output

 

[bad zuki]

I kinda wanna play with steam turbines in a small scale

thinking it'd be as simple as direct coupling something to a normal AC motor
turn the motor on and let it spin up, then hit it with steam and the motor turns into a generator

Turbines use alot of steam compared to a piston one, even for small scale. The guy I got the mailbox stuff off of made his own electricity based on cost of electricity. He would get 1000 gallons of motor oil and run his house and shop on that. He sold large scale steam and power generation equipment. FYI, there are huge requirements hooking a generator to grid, not for stand by.

I'm still kicking myself over not buying his 5hp steam engine or the 1MW turbine that went to scrap.

Better question...Coolant? Around here the auto parts stores don't take it, gotta take it to the hazmat place which is a PAIN!

Find an old farmer with a leaky radiator.

 

[Thefishguy77]

That's dumb. Asbestos is naturally occurring, go roll around in some and report back.

Curly or straight fiber? Cigarette filters were straight fibre asbestos for every. You died
of cigarettes and not asbestos like a real man.

In all seriousness that curly fiber shit is really bad for us. I have talked to a commercial roofer from way back in the day post WW2 and he said they would spread the tar. Then one guy was the asbestos thrower and the other was the gravel thrower. Always said you could see the guys that would go down quick. They get 1 breath and it doubles them over. Dude breathed that shit for like 25-30 years seemingly fine. Weird. 🤷‍♂️

 

[arse_sidewards]

FYI, there are huge requirements hooking a generator to grid, not for stand by.

How would the grid know it's any different than solar?

 

[[486]]

FYI, there are huge requirements hooking a generator to grid, not for stand by.

three solar panels with micro inverters doesn't seem terribly expensive

scab your wires into that and hey presto

I'm only really chatterboxing about a 10hp or so electric motor

 

[Sandy Johnson]

How would the grid know it's any different than solar?

"This dude somehow keeps putting out kilowatts at night. He must have some really nice solar panels!"

 

[bad zuki]

How would the grid know it's any different than solar?

You're the expert here. You tell me.

three solar panels with micro inverters doesn't seem terribly expensive

scab your wires into that and hey presto

I'm only really chatterboxing about a 10hp or so electric motor

Phase and hertz Synchronization on a generator to the grid is a huge difference in power source than the vfd based micro invertors you are using.
It can be done and its fun to do if its a manual box and gauge, but you can fry a genset if you don't know what you are doing.

 

[TrailTamer]

If this was true we would not be getting any sunlight or energy from that light.

We really don’t know what all escapes our closed loop “planet” either. I believe we proved helium escapes our atmosphere.

I do get where your going with your opinion on pollution/dilution and good luck on your endeavor to fix it.

I asked the professor in my thermodynamics engineering course.

Prof: “Energy cannot be created or destroyed” blah blah blah “earth is a closed system”

Me: “what about the heat energy from the sun?”

Prof: nonverbally expressed that he don’t have an answer to my question “any other question?”

I think the water is fine if that paper is moldy?

 

[[486]]

Phase and hertz Synchronization on a generator to the grid is a huge difference in power source than the vfd based micro invertors you are using.
It can be done and its fun to do if its a manual box and gauge, but you can fry a genset if you don't know what you are doing.

I mean a little 10hp turbine direct coupled to a 10hp electric motor
Plug the motor in and let it spin up
then feed the turbine squeeze and it will over-run the electric motor turning it into a generator, just the same as it works when being a motor but the other way around. Little bit of 'slip' but it doesn't matter.

no synchronization anything going on

 

[bad zuki]

I mean a little 10hp turbine direct coupled to a 10hp electric motor
Plug the motor in and let it spin up
then feed the turbine squeeze and it will over-run the electric motor turning it into a generator, just the same as it works when being a motor but the other way around. Little bit of 'slip' but it doesn't matter.

no synchronization anything going on

I get what you are saying, but I see some issues.
1. A motor and generator can do the same thing, but an electric motor would be less efficient in power production as a common gen set. The mass is located in different areas of the motor compaired to the generator.
2. You might be able to do it, but you'd have to figure out the right RPMs required to do it, belt ratios, and connections.
3. It would be way easier to run a dc generator with the same voltage as your inverters and back feed the solar.
You plug a generator into an outlet and it will spin that 10hp motor backwards until it syncs, or worse.

 

[clodhopper]

Better question...Coolant? Around here the auto parts stores don't take it, gotta take it to the hazmat place which is a PAIN!

If you live in town, check with the rules for what can be flushed. Some towns it is OK to flush coolant as the wastewater plant can handle it. Others are not arranged to treat it. If you cannot flush it down, then you gotta take it to hazmat.

If it is basically green and no oil I cant skim off, I recycle it into a tractor that is low. I almost always have something that got a radiator filled with water over the summer that needs swapout before cold weather. Hugely skuzzy, rusty, whatever, either goes in the burn barrel or drop it off at one of a couple auto shops that accept it near me.

 

[bgaidan]

Better question...Coolant? Around here the auto parts stores don't take it, gotta take it to the hazmat place which is a PAIN!

Lanfill/recycling center here has a tank next to their used oil tank. Next county over has a full on hazmat contractor that will take any "household" chemicals, oil, fluorescent lights, etc.

 

[M92PV4U]

I think the water is fine if that paper is moldy?

I Think that it has done pretty good for a 31 yo piece of paper stapled to the door of a redwood barn.

 

[IGT]

2. You might be able to do it, but you'd have to figure out the right RPMs required to do it, belt ratios, and connections.

If we are talking about 486s 10 hp motor he will already be at 60 hz coming in. When his amp draw goes to zero because his steam energy powers the motor he is now a generator. When his steam energy goes higher and the amps start going out to the grid he will not have any effect on hz because his generator can not over come the 10000 mW driving that 60 hz on the grid.

Voltage could be a problem because you need to change the voltage in the field or the generator to match the grid or your going start making vars or importing vars and now your windings are going to get hot because your motor/generator is only rated for a .80 power factor and you are running a .40 PF.

 

[[486]]

Voltage could be a problem because you need to change the voltage in the field or the generator to match the grid or your going start making vars or importing vars and now your windings are going to get hot because your motor/generator is only rated for a .80 power factor and you are running a .40 PF.

god damn google wants to change vars to cars
they just can't tune down their fucking DEI

Sounds a lot like 'power factor' but maybe the other way around? Like it's making juice on the falling side of the waveform but not at the peak where it is supposed to be.

Wouldn't a set of caps fix this just the same as power factor correcting an inductive load?

 

[IGT]

It’s not really an opinion, it’s more along the lines of science, but whatever.

You have a mass of water that is considered polluted at 10,000 ppm. And in safe or levels seen in natural occurring conditions at 1,000 ppm. To get to that level you dilute the polluted water.

I agree, that part is science.

The opinion part is something that is so big we can’t quantify although some try and so we have opinions.
CO2 pollution/dilution/plant use has no good science but whatever

 

[IGT]

god damn google wants to change vars to cars
they just can't tune down their fucking DEI

Sounds a lot like 'power factor' but maybe the other way around? Like it's making juice on the falling side of the waveform but not at the peak where it is supposed to be.

Wouldn't a set of caps fix this just the same as power factor correcting an inductive load?

Never seen capacitors control voltage on a generator.

That’s why Basler has been building voltage regulators and Woodward has been building governors for generators for over 100 years.
You might need both

Google field voltage for a generator and that will explain how we use DC voltage and amperage to make and control AC voltage for an AC generator.

 

[[486]]

Never seen capacitors control voltage on a generator.

That’s why Basler has been building voltage regulators and Woodward has been building governors for generators for over 100 years.
You might need both

Google field voltage for a generator and that will explain how we use DC voltage and amperage to make and control AC voltage for an AC generator.

I think I know what you're talking about, the field regulator would be working mostly like the field regulator on an automotive alternator

This would just be an induction motor with a dumb 'iron and aluminum' rotor inside there.
Now I'm wondering if those light tower gen ends have a field coil in them, IIRC they don't have a conventional regulator on them.

 

[speed bump]

god damn google wants to change vars to cars
they just can't tune down their fucking DEI

Sounds a lot like 'power factor' but maybe the other way around? Like it's making juice on the falling side of the waveform but not at the peak where it is supposed to be.

Wouldn't a set of caps fix this just the same as power factor correcting an inductive load?

Not power factor you need the sine waves to match. In e-machines lab we had some home build MG sets out of 5 hp motors (DC motor and an AC generator). In the sync lab if you missed by more than about 1hz when you brought the generator online you got a nasty bang and often blew the brushes out of the generator end.

 

[Animalmother]

I dont know but my dog can piss dead patches in the grass.