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I don’t know shit about long distance shooting. I can hit 3” at 200 yds all day long with a .308. That’s really all I can shoot on my land. If I buy more land, I would be interested in shooting longer. I have a few questions for you guys in the know.

Im shooting a DPMS (AR style) with some trigger work. I have a good scope and shoot factory ammo. Could I expect it to shoot 800 with any accuracy? Is using factory ammo out of the question? I’ve heard that the military shoots .308 at those ranges all the time. (I’m sure it’s not a AR style gun) Do they do custom loads?

How much difference could be expected with a bolt action rifle at those ranges?
 
WaterH said:
I don’t know shit about long distance shooting. I can hit 3” at 200 yds all day long with a .308. That’s really all I can shoot on my land. If I buy more land, I would be interested in shooting longer. I have a few questions for you guys in the know.

Im shooting a DPMS (AR style) with some trigger work. I have a good scope and shoot factory ammo. Could I expect it to shoot 800 with any accuracy? Is using factory ammo out of the question? I’ve heard that the military shoots .308 at those ranges all the time. (I’m sure it’s not a AR style gun) Do they do custom loads?

How much difference could be expected with a bolt action rifle at those ranges?
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.308 starts to fall off past 800, especially in an AR10. A guy I shoot PRS with shoots .308 out of a 24" bolt gun and with 175g Bergers can get out past 1000, but he's using lots more elevation, and that round is behaving like a mortar at those distances, so it's actually harder to hit a vertical plate vs. a flatter shooting round like many of the various 6mm or 6.5mm rounds.

If you go to a bolt guy, you'll likely pick up a couple hundred fps, over your (assume 18 or 20" barrel), AR10.
 
Roc Doc said:
.308 starts to fall off past 800, especially in an AR10. A guy I shoot PRS with shoots .308 out of a 24" bolt gun and with 175g Bergers can get out past 1000, but he's using lots more elevation, and that round is behaving like a mortar at those distances, so it's actually harder to hit a vertical plate vs. a flatter shooting round like many of the various 6mm or 6.5mm rounds.

If you go to a bolt guy, you'll likely pick up a couple hundred fps, over your (assume 18 or 20" barrel), AR10.
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The 308 falls off at 800 is a myth from people who shoot 150 grains out of short barrels. Even a pedestrian 2600 fps mv with a 175 smk will go 1100 yards before starting to go transonic, and even further if it's a colder day .


With a 142 grain 6.5 bullet and factory fgmm load you really only get another 200 yards.

Yes you can wring more distance out of both calibers with hand loading but in pure distance the creedmore isn't outpacing 308 by too much.

It takes less elevation and wind adjustment and you get about 200 yards distance, all other things being equal.

800 yards is the limit on 308 is dumb.
 
Texas97 said:
The 308 falls off at 800 is a myth from people who shoot 150 grains out of short barrels. Even a pedestrian 2600 fps mv with a 175 smk will go 1100 yards before starting to go transonic, and even further if it's a colder day .


With a 142 grain 6.5 bullet and factory fgmm load you really only get another 200 yards.

Yes you can wring more distance out of both calibers with hand loading but in pure distance the creedmore isn't outpacing 308 by too much.

It takes less elevation and wind adjustment and you get about 200 yards distance, all other things being equal.

800 yards is the limit on 308 is dumb.
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When I was looking for my first bolt gun i was looking .308 vs 6.5. Ultimately decided .308 because NATO round. Got into reloading just after I got it. wish I would have started earlier because that's when shit went sideways with primers and powder. Have had it out 500 and the guy with 6.5 was doing as well as I was. I was using factory PMC 147 grain. So I started working up a load for it. I ended up with a SMK 168HPBT and IMR4064 and a round that is SAMI spec and fits in a magazine because I didn't want to chase lands. Also wanted to share ammo if needed. The load I came up with Chronos a bit higher than the PMC and is sub MOA out of my rifle at 200 and a buddy that shoots a Savage axis II pro. Long story short is know what you after when try to reload. What a rabbit hole it is. Holy shit lol. The guys telling you to get some trigger time are right IMHO. I hate typing lol, anyways it's fun to reload and fun to shoot just figure out what you want to do first. Both at the same time are a challenge lol.

Also, brass prep sucks balls.:lmao:
 
Texas97 said:
The 308 falls off at 800 is a myth from people who shoot 150 grains out of short barrels. Even a pedestrian 2600 fps mv with a 175 smk will go 1100 yards before starting to go transonic, and even further if it's a colder day .


With a 142 grain 6.5 bullet and factory fgmm load you really only get another 200 yards.

Yes you can wring more distance out of both calibers with hand loading but in pure distance the creedmore isn't outpacing 308 by too much.

It takes less elevation and wind adjustment and you get about 200 yards distance, all other things being equal.

800 yards is the limit on 308 is dumb.
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My 24in FN did fall off after 800...well our 860 yard gong....


I was shooting 150 grain factory loads:lmao::lmao:
 
Texas97 said:
The 308 falls off at 800 is a myth from people who shoot 150 grains out of short barrels. Even a pedestrian 2600 fps mv with a 175 smk will go 1100 yards before starting to go transonic, and even further if it's a colder day .


With a 142 grain 6.5 bullet and factory fgmm load you really only get another 200 yards.

Yes you can wring more distance out of both calibers with hand loading but in pure distance the creedmore isn't outpacing 308 by too much.

It takes less elevation and wind adjustment and you get about 200 yards distance, all other things being equal.

800 yards is the limit on 308 is dumb.
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308 fanboi/Creedmoor Hater has entered the chat.:flipoff2: So a 20% improvement is not significant? I get it, the 308 is a fine hunting round and I own one, but there are more modern improvements

Since we're being pedantic here, a 175SMK like you cite at 55* is going transonic at 1000 yds (1168fps), and did you read the part where I qualified it as "especially in an AR10).

I've got a 6.5CM load for 121g Warner Flatlines that doesn't go transonic until 1600yds and only takes 6.2 mils of ups to get to 1k. You got a 308 load that can do that?
 
I was a .308 fanboy....

Till I shot docs 6.5

Now I own one...1000 yrd repeatedly (well tech 960 yrd where he gong is at:laughing:) and shot much tighter group

And less recoil than my 308

Ymmv:flipoff2:
 
Roc Doc said:
308 fanboi/Creedmoor Hater has entered the chat.:flipoff2: So a 20% improvement is not significant? I get it, the 308 is a fine hunting round and I own one, but there are more modern improvements

Since we're being pedantic here, a 175SMK like you cite at 55* is going transonic at 1000 yds (1168fps), and did you read the part where I qualified it as "especially in an AR10).

I've got a 6.5CM load for 121g Warner Flatlines that doesn't go transonic until 1600yds and only takes 6.2 mils of ups to get to 1k. You got a 308 load that can do that?
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I'm sure you do but you're still downplaying the 308 and throwing your hand loads in there.

Factory ammo using 175s can get to 1200 at your temperature you laid out. A far cry from 800 yards that my response was to.
 
Texas97 said:
I'm sure you do but you're still downplaying the 308 and throwing your hand loads in there.

Factory ammo using 175s can get to 1200 at your temperature you laid out. A far cry from 800 yards that my response was to.
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Streelok Pro says they'll be going 1013fps at 1200, that's solid into sub-sonic territory. Shooter app says about the same.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure you're referencing bolt guns when OP was asking about AR10. So how does the 175 do at 1200 out of a 20" barrel gas gun, whatever it is, 6.5CM is going to be at least 20% better. I seriously doubt you get 2600 fps from an AR10.
 
Fwiw shooting .308 is what got me out of long range for now . There is a lot of drop to compensate for in .308 vs 6.5CR and many other flat shooting modern rounds , more recoil to manage , etc . The 6.5s and such make it easy , they honestly do. Heck with an app to help tell me the adjustments to make once inputting all the necessary data I was shooting 800 almost immediately. However hand over any of my friends 6.5s and it was noticeably easier . I sold my rig eventually , while I do respect .308 and it is certainly possible to use it is like purposely choosing an old 350 when there’s an LS or LT available . That’s just my opinion .
 
Not trying to start any arguments here. So would you guys say a AR-10 could hit at 800 with factory loads? And how high would I expect to be aiming?

To be honest, I would be estatic to hit a pie plate at 800 yards. But I don’t think it would be fun if I had to aim two feet high.
 
WaterH said:
Not trying to start any arguments here. So would you guys say a AR-10 could hit at 800 with factory loads? And how high would I expect to be aiming?

To be honest, I would be estatic to hit a pie plate at 800 yards. But I don’t think it would be fun if I had to aim two feet high.
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Around 5 feet at 500 yards ….around 30ft at 1000…
 
Roc Doc said:
Using the 175 SMK and guestimating 2500fps I show 236" of drop at 800 yds.
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Yeah my search showed two different results of 30ft most in actually seeing on a much better search are around 20ft drop my apologies . Used an app when I was still shooting I can’t remember the name of it and it was fool proof .
 
I've got one of those PA10s. 20 inch barrel. Geissele trigger. Shooting suppressed 168FGMM I've run it out to 900 with little difficulty. So I'm going to say from experience that yes, you can shoot one to 800. I've done it.
 
Poke said:
I think we we’re aiming or adjusting the scopes 10’ left one day.

I’m learning mil’s but can’t do them in my head yet.
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Roc Doc said:
Remember, a mil is 1/1000 of any distance. 1000 yards, one mil is one yard or 36" 100 yds 3.6", 200 7.2", etc. easy peasy.
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Poke, the above is true about MILS, but there isn't anything to learn to do them in your head. Forget about feet and inches, you don't need to know anything in feet or inches. Your reticle and turrets are in MILS. The reticle is the ruler that will tell you how far to adjust. When you see the shot go left/right/up/down by X MILS, then adjust the scope by that many MILS. Get all of your drop and windage data in MILS. There is no reason to need any hold over or windage info in feet and inches.
 
Roc Doc said:
Streelok Pro says they'll be going 1013fps at 1200, that's solid into sub-sonic territory. Shooter app says about the same.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure you're referencing bolt guns when OP was asking about AR10. So how does the 175 do at 1200 out of a 20" barrel gas gun, whatever it is, 6.5CM is going to be at least 20% better. I seriously doubt you get 2600 fps from an AR10.
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Roc Doc said:
Using the 175 SMK and guestimating 2500fps I show 236" of drop at 800 yds.
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Strelock Pro is telling me different. 1260 fps at 1200 which I've not confirmed with a Chrono at that distance but have still been super out to 1150 and hitting steel.


6.5 manbun guys need to calm down, I'm not impuning your bandwagon :flipoff2:

But it's false that 308 is only good 800 and under.

As to ar-10 vs bolt on velocity, it's a 20-30 fps loss, maybe. You can offset that with some freebore boost by shooting suppressed.
 
Texas97 said:
Strelock Pro is telling me different. 1260 fps at 1200 which I've not confirmed with a Chrono at that distance but have still been super out to 1150 and hitting steel.


6.5 manbun guys need to calm down, I'm not impuning your bandwagon :flipoff2:

But it's false that 308 is only good 800 and under.

As to ar-10 vs bolt on velocity, it's a 20-30 fps loss, maybe. You can offset that with some freebore boost by shooting suppressed.
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The most valid argument I've see against 6.5CM is that 260 Rem was already in the pipe and a little bit better all around, but there's a reason Remington is out of business and Hornady is thriving, marketing and business management matter. The last time I was at SHOT in 2019, the Remington booth had zero innovations, just the same old 700 series and cookie cutter MSR's. Such a sad decline.
 
Roc Doc said:
The most valid argument I've see against 6.5CM is that 260 Rem was already in the pipe and a little bit better all around, but there's a reason Remington is out of business and Hornady is thriving, marketing and business management matter. The last time I was at SHOT in 2019, the Remington booth had zero innovations, just the same old 700 series and cookie cutter MSR's. Such a sad decline.
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Ive detailed it out before but Remington couldn't stop screwing itself. It's in the old PBB OSR repository. Going back 50 years too

Btw, I sometimes shoot an Arctic Warfare in 260 and my thermal night hunting go-to is a Gap-10 in 260 also.

It's more refined than 6.5 creed and a lot less people on the bandwagon :flipoff2: :lmao:
 
Roc Doc said:
Using the 175 SMK and guestimating 2500fps I show 236" of drop at 800 yds.
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Now I’m really going to sound stupid. When I got my rifle, I installed the scope and shot it at 30 yds. Adjusted it to hit where I was aiming. Moved out to 100 yards and re-adjusted. I left it there and I can touch holes at that range. The few times I have tried 200, I get a 3” group. I didn’t change anything on the scope and it’s not like all the shots are low, so I am assuming there’s not much drop at 200. I don’t want to change the settings. If you are serious, that’s crazy. I guess I wont be shooting 800.
 
WaterH said:
Now I’m really going to sound stupid. When I got my rifle, I installed the scope and shot it at 30 yds. Adjusted it to hit where I was aiming. Moved out to 100 yards and re-adjusted. I left it there and I can touch holes at that range. The few times I have tried 200, I get a 3” group. I didn’t change anything on the scope and it’s not like all the shots are low, so I am assuming there’s not much drop at 200. I don’t want to change the settings. If you are serious, that’s crazy. I guess I wont be shooting 800.
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What scope?
 
300sniper said:
I could shoot any hand load I want in my 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor rifles, and have some of the best shooters in the country load it for me. I shoot factory Hornady ELDM ammo.
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What distances? Because just ordering rounds is way easier
 
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