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Hydromaster said:
All you have to do is put up a sign just says it’s a gun free zone and everyone will be safe….
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No, you have to try to create a better work environment and screening process for people who seem like they are trending towards violent actions.
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
It's very simple almost every work place shooting is done by a current or former employee. If you push arming all of your employees-- then you have literally given the unhappy employee the ability to carry his or her gun into your workplace-- no, questions asked by the way. Think about how that will play out in civil court case about wrongful deaths???

Then who do you think is going to be liable when the rest of your employees decide to use their guns in the situation and shot up the place potentially killing innocent people? That's going to be another civil case you loose badly as a corporation that allows its armed untrained or poorly trained employees to go Wyatt Earp O.K Corral Style in the place. You're now on that hook too.

Anyway you slice this problem arming your employees and pretending that makes you safer and not open to massive civil liabilities is just a fantasy on your part. And it is also gives disgruntled employees the ability to carry their weapons into your work place further complicating the issues of labilities for workplace violence on your corporation.

So you want to add all of that liability to your company all in the fear that some mythical crackhead is going to come walking off the street to shoot up your landscaping facility? Please, man you're either paranoid or just a victim of lead paint chips....
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Wow, I had no idea you have a law degree as well.

BTW, how is that family business coming along?

Oops, nevermind

Going on year #92 here...

Guess that whole worker's syndicate/socialist bullshit you tried was an udder failure.
 
OTTAWA COUNTY, MI – A new proposal before the Ottawa County Board would allow any county employee to legally carry a gun while on the job.
the Ottawa County Board of Commissioners’ Planning and Policy Committee will consider that policy change and another that would reimburse county employees for fees related to obtaining or renewing concealed pistol licenses (CPL).

Heck, if yer over 18yr old you can conceal carry here without a permit
 
JD Mark said:
Wow, I had no idea you have a law degree as well.

BTW, how is that family business coming along?

Oops, nevermind

Going on year #92 here...

Guess that whole worker's syndicate/socialist bullshit you tried was an udder failure.
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Things happens right? Some of them you can control and some you don't have control over.

The workers syndicate thing works... Mondragon Proves that. We just didn't pull it off this time. I'll try again soon. In something different perhaps. But for 12 years I made it work. So, I'm pretty happy with that fact.

I don't know do you really need to be a lawyer to see the massive liabilities your armed employee policy will cause in the event of a real workplace shooting? Is that something you need a JD for or just a good understanding of basic work place liability law?

Well, I hope it works out for you.
 
Hydromaster said:
OTTAWA COUNTY, MI – A new proposal before the Ottawa County Board would allow any county employee to legally carry a gun while on the job.
the Ottawa County Board of Commissioners’ Planning and Policy Committee will consider that policy change and another that would reimburse county employees for fees related to obtaining or renewing concealed pistol licenses (CPL).

Heck, if yer over 18yr old you can conceal carry here without a permit
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So, this proof of what exactly? That MI is full of bad ideas? How many county buildings have been shoot up lately?
 
FelixstoweF.2 said:
So, this proof of what exactly? That MI is full of bad ideas? How many county buildings have been shoot up lately?
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You should stay in the basement in your nanny state.

from Montana State human resources
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You really are a moron.
If you didn’t understand my post, then you couldn’t have replied to it the way you did.

Nope, you are making one of many bad calls.
 
Hydromaster said:
You really are a moron.
If you didn’t understand my post, then you couldn’t have replied to it the way you did.

Nope, you are making one of many bad calls.
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We're talking about a private corporation its liability issues and you're talking about idiots in county and state governments that have decided that carrying guns in the work place is a good idea. These are superficially related but in reality they aren't related in the important areas of corporate liability.
 
1.Majority rules, good , bad, indifferent.


And as far as liability and the workplace, there’s absolutely zero difference between the public sector and the private sector.

There are no dots to connect. They’re the same dot.
 
Hydromaster said:
1.Majority rules, good , bad, indifferent.


And as far as liability and the workplace, there’s absolutely zero difference between the public sector and the private sector.

There are no dots to connect. They’re the same dot.
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There is a big difference in workplace liability between the two. And the difference is that if an idiot mayor passes a law where a bunch of state workers shoot it out on the side of the street with each other--- depends on the policy maker the applicable state laws and so a mayor that puts this out to referendum can reasonably argue thanks to this ruling that he or she is not the final policy maker but the people were and therefor no responsible for the outcomes of the policy. Unlike you in a private corporation that are response for these things sometimes personally!

Thanks for playing.

fedsoc.org

Municipal Liability Under Section 1983: The Importance of State Law | The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org fedsoc.org
 
To long didn’t read.
I did scroll down to the findings to tell me what this is all about and what they decided.
it has nothing to do with what we’re talking about .


Ps
A lot has changed sence 1997…
Like the stance states are talkie in 2015 and beyond.
 
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May states have something similar.

State law exempts employers from liability for any damage related to gun use on their premises, even if they did not create a policy prohibiting weapons on their property, if an employer allowed its employees to conceal carry in the workplace and one of the employees injured someone with his or her weapon, the employer presumably would not be held liable for not prohibiting the firearm on its premises.

Then…

there is no federal law that specifically regulates weapons at private workplaces.

Some states have enacted so-called guns-at-work laws that specifically allow employees to bring concealed firearms on their employers property, regardless of an employers policy to the contrary.

Gee, that must just really be a liability Bummer.
 
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FelixstoweF.2 said:
There is a big difference in workplace liability between the two. And the difference is that if an idiot mayor passes a law where a bunch of state workers shoot it out on the side of the street with each other--- depends on the policy maker the applicable state laws and so a mayor that puts this out to referendum can reasonably argue thanks to this ruling that he or she is not the final policy maker but the people were and therefor no responsible for the outcomes of the policy. Unlike you in a private corporation that are response for these things sometimes personally!

Thanks for playing.

fedsoc.org

Municipal Liability Under Section 1983: The Importance of State Law | The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org fedsoc.org
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Mayors don't pass laws...
 
JD Mark said:
Mayors don't pass laws...
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You don't think mayors sign ordinances into law? That's what executives do. That's why they have the power of veto. Yes, they might not come up with a law that is the job of the town council but they lobby for things and sign them literally into law. So you want to try that one again?
 
Hydromaster said:
You sound stupid.
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It does depend on the city system you have with a strong mayor like I outlined you can be the executive branch of the city. In a weak system the mayor just sets the legislative agenda. Either way the Mayor tends to be part of the process that makes laws.
 
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