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You tried the "you get what you pay for" mentality but still got fucked

YotaAtieToo

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Ever try to spend the extra money on the "good product" but end up getting a piece of shit anyway?

Biggest one for me was a honda sxs, didn't even look at Polaris, because the belts suck and Polaris builds shit. Well the honda has been the most unreliable thing I've ever owned. Only has 500 miles and it's broken 2 sun transmission gears. The plastics are cheap as fuck and break when you touch a tree branch, steering cut out when you're aired down, it loud AF inside and makes having a conversation impossible anything over 10 mph, I'm sure I'm forgetting things.

On top of that, I bought the honda accessories (windshields, enclosure, ect) which mostly fit like shit also.



Got the wife an F150 at the end of 2018, the plan was to put a shell on it. After reading, snug top was supposed to be "the best" to the tune of 3200 fucking dollars. It's had issues with leaks and, now it look like the paint might be bubbling in a few spots. :mad3:
 
I'm shocked you're having those issues with the Honda. The 1000 is on my list to buy when I get the funds.
 
I'm shocked you're having those issues with the Honda. The 1000 is on my list to buy when I get the funds.

Well I definitely can't recommend them. Not to mention, despite everyone saying that the best thing about honda, is that if you do have an issue, honda will totally take care of you. Been the exact opposite, the denied the first failure at 200 miles because I had slightly bigger tires :homer:

They are a very electronic machine, the I4wd is a joke, that module was bad from the factory. There are a ton of sensors that can cause the trans not to shift if they aren't working properly.

I really think I am just not meant for a sxs, maybe a used rhino, but not these new pos sport ones.

Polaris builds shit the eh?

They have plenty of issues, the good thing is that you can usually catch them by doing a bunch of research before hand.
 
Well I definitely can't recommend them. Not to mention, despite everyone saying that the best thing about honda, is that if you do have an issue, honda will totally take care of you. Been the exact opposite, the denied the first failure at 200 miles because I had slightly bigger tires :homer:

They are a very electronic machine, the I4wd is a joke, that module was bad from the factory. There are a ton of sensors that can cause the trans not to shift if they aren't working properly.

I really think I am just not meant for a sxs, maybe a used rhino, but not these new pos sport ones.



They have plenty of issues, the good thing is that you can usually catch them by doing a bunch of research before hand.

You ended up with a lemon and a shitty dealer, we would have exchanged for a different unit long ago.
 
My son is going through that now.

I gave up years ago, just plan on buying the cheapest POS and plan on spending money on it and making it right.

You spend top dollar you shouldn't have to fight to get what you paid for. I agree dealers are failing you
 
Ever try to spend the extra money on the "good product" but end up getting a piece of shit anyway?

Biggest one for me was a honda sxs, didn't even look at Polaris, because the belts suck and Polaris builds shit. Well the honda has been the most unreliable thing I've ever owned. Only has 500 miles and it's broken 2 sun transmission gears. The plastics are cheap as fuck and break when you touch a tree branch, steering cut out when you're aired down, it loud AF inside and makes having a conversation impossible anything over 10 mph, I'm sure I'm forgetting things.

On top of that, I bought the honda accessories (windshields, enclosure, ect) which mostly fit like shit also.



Got the wife an F150 at the end of 2018, the plan was to put a shell on it. After reading, snug top was supposed to be "the best" to the tune of 3200 fucking dollars. It's had issues with leaks and, now it look like the paint might be bubbling in a few spots. :mad3:

I know people that work in the shop that builds those windshield frames.

I'm not surprised they fit like this.
 
I’m gonna be honest and say that this is likely an operator issue. I am no fan of the Honda sxs, but they make a quality machine that millions of people are satisfied with.

It’s typically morons that don’t know how to drive, or they put huge tires and wheels on it, or snow tracks and blame the machine when it breaks.
 
I'm shocked you're having those issues with the Honda. The 1000 is on my list to buy when I get the funds.

I just spent $56,000 on a pair of Honda Talon's - I wish I had bought something else.

On paper they looked awesome, IRL not so much.

One of them is down for repair (2 months apx est) so It will be past season when I get it back, I completely fucked myself.

Fuck the Talon and yes they are loud as shit.
 
I just spent $56,000 on a pair of Honda Talon's - I wish I had bought something else.

On paper they looked awesome, IRL not so much.

One of them is down for repair (2 months apx est) so It will be past season when I get it back, I completely fucked myself.

Fuck the Talon and yes they are loud as shit.

What broke on that Talon? Was it the "sub-transmission", aka transfer case or something else? 2 months to fix is unacceptable in my eyes. Id start complaining as loudly as possible to everyone who will listen in person and all over the internet. Squeaky wheel gets the grease....
 
What broke on that Talon? Was it the "sub-transmission", aka transfer case or something else? 2 months to fix is unacceptable in my eyes. Id start complaining as loudly as possible to everyone who will listen in person and all over the internet. Squeaky wheel gets the grease....

Complaining doesn't will parts into existence, they probably don't have the shit to fix it.
 
Complaining doesn't will parts into existence, they probably don't have the shit to fix it.

Well then, I'd be getting a new machine or a refund. No way in hell is it any kind of acceptable to sell someone a product, have it break down the first time it is used and then tell them it will be 2 months to fix it before they get it back. If this were a new car there would be a loaner or rental involved. We are talking about a $27,000 machine.....
 
Damn.... that’s a lot of $$$ to end up disappointed!!!!
Ive never understand that much coin for these SxS’s though!!! They’re fast as fuck.... and that breaks shit!!!!
Spend enough trying to keep my Heep on the trail...
I am interested in a utility version SxS for the property though but they’re expensive as fuck as well!!!
 
What broke on that Talon? Was it the "sub-transmission", aka transfer case or something else? 2 months to fix is unacceptable in my eyes. Id start complaining as loudly as possible to everyone who will listen in person and all over the internet. Squeaky wheel gets the grease....

I am having it brought to a deal like 300 miles away as every dealer in this area says 1-2 months before they can look at it.

There is something between the driveshaft and rear end that I think the problem is coming from.

To me it looks like some type of vicious coupling. dealer said it was a fluid filled gear. IDK but it is making a fuck ton of noise and viberations.

Unit is just 9 days old when it broke.

I am paying $340 to have it trailered to this dealer as I cannot get it there myself.

I am looking right now for a Can Am or RZR to buy somewhere as I do not want to miss out on the season ($$)
 
I’m gonna be honest and say that this is likely an operator issue. I am no fan of the Honda sxs, but they make a quality machine that millions of people are satisfied with.

It’s typically morons that don’t know how to drive, or they put huge tires and wheels on it, or snow tracks and blame the machine when it breaks.

That's what they keep saying when I take it in. I'm an equipment operator, I get paid stupid money to run things most people can't. I'd like to think I should be able to shift into low without issues.

The talon has a very finicky shifting setup. Basically you can put it into the low gate, but it's not in low, you give it gas and it grinds. 2-4 times doing that and the "syncros are toast" then it pops out.

Even if we write off the first failure to operator error, the 2nd time I was super careful and made sure it always said L on the dash. It did it again.

It's a shit design, Mark my words, once these really get popular there will be a ton of people with the same problem.
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The "syncros" are a 3 tooth design and have razor sharp corners, so the odds of them not meshing are very high, once those razor sharp edges get fucked up, it's over, it won't stay in gear.

What broke on that Talon? Was it the "sub-transmission", aka transfer case or something else? 2 months to fix is unacceptable in my eyes. Id start complaining as loudly as possible to everyone who will listen in person and all over the internet. Squeaky wheel gets the grease....

2 months to fix? Where did I say that?

I don't really care how long they have it, because I don't even want to drive it. Being so afraid to break it completely ruins the experience. Just when I was getting over that last time, it broke again. :laughing:
 
I am having it brought to a deal like 300 miles away as every dealer in this area says 1-2 months before they can look at it.

There is something between the driveshaft and rear end that I think the problem is coming from.

To me it looks like some type of vicious coupling. dealer said it was a fluid filled gear. IDK but it is making a fuck ton of noise and viberations.

Unit is just 9 days old when it broke.

I am paying $340 to have it trailered to this dealer as I cannot get it there myself.

I am looking right now for a Can Am or RZR to buy somewhere as I do not want to miss out on the season ($$)

Make them give you a loaner.
 
Yes. Tools. I have a Dewalt chop saw that was supposed to replace the harbor freight chop saw I was using. The harbor freight one is actually square, makes square cuts, and holds all material better. The dewalt is an over priced POS, my biggest gripes are that the arbor isn't square with the base. The hold down will NOT hold any material if its any off angle from 90 degrees. The vibration will allow the blade to suck the material in toward the blade either making a crooked cut, or breaking the blade. My cheapo HF one does none of that. It has a little less power so a cut takes longer. But IDGAF about a few seconds longer cutting to have a perfect cut.

As for your SXS, just a thought. Do you have unrealistic expectations of your stuff? Breaking down is shitty no doubt, but are you trying to demand more from it than it's really meant for? You didn't like your tracker, I love mine. Not a fan of your Honda, I love my rzr. I also think I have pretty realistic expectations of them. I put 34's on my rzr, but I changed the gear ratios suspension axle shafts and clutching before slamming big ass tires on a stock machine and hating it's performance.
 
You know whats fucked up about this whole Talon thing.....

When YotaAtieToo bought his, myself and 2 other guys I know bought Talons at the same time. And I know 2 other guys that own Talons also. 3 of them, not including myself (yet) turned theirs into race cars and have beat the ever living shit out of them with zero issue, and my buddy in Nevada that doesn't race drives his hundreds of miles a week tooling around on BLM land. Zero issues..... These are all 2 seat R models.

I wonder if the extra weight of the 4 seat model has something to do with the sub trans not holding up?
 
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I quoted Crispins. :flipoff2:

Ya, I saw that right after I posted, but said fuck it :flipoff2:​​​​​​

I think the talon will be killer for your app. You won't need low, and even if you did, you wouldn't be shifting back and forth all the time.

I'd delete the I4wd system for racing. The front diff is a pretty good limited slip on it own and the I4wd isn't going to do shit for you but add weight.
 
Yes. Tools. I have a Dewalt chop saw that was supposed to replace the harbor freight chop saw I was using. The harbor freight one is actually square, makes square cuts, and holds all material better. The dewalt is an over priced POS, my biggest gripes are that the arbor isn't square with the base. The hold down will NOT hold any material if its any off angle from 90 degrees. The vibration will allow the blade to suck the material in toward the blade either making a crooked cut, or breaking the blade. My cheapo HF one does none of that. It has a little less power so a cut takes longer. But IDGAF about a few seconds longer cutting to have a perfect cut.

As for your SXS, just a thought. Do you have unrealistic expectations of your stuff? Breaking down is shitty no doubt, but are you trying to demand more from it than it's really meant for? You didn't like your tracker, I love mine. Not a fan of your Honda, I love my rzr. I also think I have pretty realistic expectations of them. I put 34's on my rzr, but I changed the gear ratios suspension axle shafts and clutching before slamming big ass tires on a stock machine and hating it's performance.

The tracker was my own fault, I should have ran 30s with a locked rear and just had fun. I admitted that the whole toyota diff swap was a fail, which was my fault.

I like it enough to put 42s and 1 tons on it :flipoff2:

As far as tire size, I went from 28s to 32s, which is stock on a lot of machines. This had nothing to do with my issue.

Also, those tires and the tracker wheels are now on a Sami, I couldn't be more happy with it. We use the hell out of it.

Yes it rides like a brick, but I don't care, we just cruise. My kids aren't loosing their hearing in it. Can you imagine what my Talon or your rzr will look like in 35 years?

You know whats fucked up about this whole Talon thing.....

When YotaAtieToo bought his, myself and 2 other guys I know bought Talons at the same time. And I know 2 other guys that own Talons also. 3 of them, not including myself (yet) turned theirs into race cars and have beat the ever living shit out of them with zero issue, and my buddy in Nevada that doesn't race drives his hundreds of miles a week tooling around on BLM land. Zero issues..... These are all 2 seat R models.

I wonder if the extra weight of the 4 seat model has something to do with the sub trans not holding up?


You guys need to realize, I'm not breaking it, it's just a shifting, syncro issue.
 
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Ya, I saw that right after I posted, but said fuck it :flipoff2:​​​​​​

I think the talon will be killer for your app. You won't need low, and even if you did, you wouldn't be shifting back and forth all the time.

I'd delete the I4wd system for racing. The front diff is a pretty good limited slip on it own and the I4wd isn't going to do shit for you but add weight.

If I knew i could pull the ABS pump and not have the computer flip out it would already be in the junk pile. I really have no use for I4wd in my application.
 
If I knew i could pull the ABS pump and not have the computer flip out it would already be in the junk pile. I really have no use for I4wd in my application.

Abs was semi handy, but I agree, I'd ditch it all for racing.

Also, remember honda will warranty these with a 170 hp turbo kit, but somehow a little bigger tires are too much?
 
Abs was semi handy, but I agree, I'd ditch it all for racing.

Also, remember honda will warranty these with a 170 hp turbo kit, but somehow a little bigger tires are too much?

I see them sitting on the showroom floor at Honda dealers in this area pre-equipped with beadlocks and 30" tires. Them saying tire size played into the problem is a joke.

My buddy in Massachusetts put 32" Cooper STT Pro's on his Talon R a few days after he bought it and drove it like that for a while. No issues....
 
I see them sitting on the showroom floor at Honda dealers in this area pre-equipped with beadlocks and 30" tires. Them saying tire size played into the problem is a joke.

My buddy in Massachusetts put 32" Cooper STT Pro's on his Talon R a few days after he bought it and drove it like that for a while. No issues....

It was a cop out for sure. The dealer was even thrown off enough that they paid for it.

Of course, I can't find it, but I swear I read that honda advertised 32s fitting.

About 3900mi away in a different country. :flipoff2:

What oil are you running in the sub trans?

Whatever honda put in it?

I had the issue the first ride, bone stock. I had the dealer do the initial service since I wanted them to look it over.

Then whatever they put in it when they put it back together.

3900 mile trip isn't shit compared to the time and money I've wasted on this pos.

Plan is to raise a stink with honda corporate after the verdict from the dealer. I'm pretty confident it's going to happen again, then it will be lemon law.

The only reason I bought a sxs was because I was working 6 days a week and didn't have time to build another crawler that I lost in the fire. Like the old stereo type goes, as soon as I bought the honda, I got laid off :laughing:
 
I’m gonna be honest and say that this is likely an operator issue. I am no fan of the Honda sxs, but they make a quality machine that millions of people are satisfied with.

It’s typically morons that don’t know how to drive, or they put huge tires and wheels on it, or snow tracks and blame the machine when it breaks.

I won't say it's a problem for all as I have limited knowledge of alot of people with newer Honda sxs's but, two good friends had new Hondas...a pioneer and a talon. Both had transmission issues within 300 miles. One was completely replaced and broke within a 100 miles. Both traded back in on teryxs and have been extremely happy.

I've been rocking an 07 Rhino for years and will more than likely stay with it. It's slow but as reliable as a hammer.
 
I paid a little bit more than I usually would for a 3rd gen 4runner that was supposed to last forever, or so they say. Blew the head gasket a year later. :homer:

DMG had a trick up his sleeve and it was temporarily/permanently fixed since.
 
I paid a little bit more than I usually would for a 3rd gen 4runner that was supposed to last forever, or so they say. Blew the head gasket a year later. :homer:

DMG had a trick up his sleeve and it was temporarily/permanently fixed since.

3.4? Pretty consistent 300k +
What was his fix? Blue devil?
 
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