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rugger

rugger

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I'm currently at a marina. Annual fees are $3300 per year. It's a yacht club and has nice facilities including a nice pool. The electrical is good and maintained. Docks are great. There are onsite services for boat repairs. The only service that I might use would be bottom paint services (sailboat).

I'm considering a new club. It's a coop type place. Dues are around $2000 per year and one is required to do 8 hours labor per year. Not many do it. Many things are in disrepair. They are worried about raccoons in the attic but not about poor wiring at the docks. I will be able to do my own repairs for things that will benefit me. One option is that I can use club materials and a little of club money to build my own floating dock. I don't mine d the labor.
This club will definitely try to take advantage of my abilities.

Anyone had any luck experiences with clubs like this? The first has a full-time maintenance guy. The second has about 6 people that do all the work but a frozen that are eager to criticize it or the money spent to get things done.
I like the idea if building the best dock at the place and correcting the electrical. The environment and social aspect is much better at the diy club.

Thoughts?
 
rugger said:
I'm currently at a marina. Annual fees are $3300 per year. It's a yacht club and has nice facilities including a nice pool. The electrical is good and maintained. Docks are great. There are onsite services for boat repairs. The only service that I might use would be bottom paint services (sailboat).

I'm considering a new club. It's a coop type place. Dues are around $2000 per year and one is required to do 8 hours labor per year. Not many do it. Many things are in disrepair. They are worried about raccoons in the attic but not about poor wiring at the docks. I will be able to do my own repairs for things that will benefit me. One option is that I can use club materials and a little of club money to build my own floating dock. I don't mine d the labor.
This club will definitely try to take advantage of my abilities.

Anyone had any luck experiences with clubs like this? The first has a full-time maintenance guy. The second has about 6 people that do all the work but a frozen that are eager to criticize it or the money spent to get things done.
I like the idea if building the best dock at the place and correcting the electrical. The environment and social aspect is much better at the diy club.

Thoughts?
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Do it! If the attitude is relaxed, so are the rules. Dealing with uptight marinas and their tenants takes the fun out of it. Make your slip shine and others may try to keep up!

We used to have a city owned marina with all types of really cool long term tenants that really kept an eye on things. The services were run down and out of date but, everything worked. The city sold it to developers who built condos and ran off the people that made the place charming and friendly. Not only that, they tore down the 30 yo restaurant and tiki bar:mad3:
 
The way you describe it it sounds like you're giving up a lot of working basics for more of a shitshow to save $1300 a year. You didn't really say you have any complaints about the place you're at now. Also sounds like you expect the new place to rope you into doing a bunch of shit for them that's probably going to cost you more than you save.
 
Motorcharge said:
The way you describe it it sounds like you're giving up a lot of working basics for more of a shitshow to save $1300 a year. You didn't really say you have any complaints about the place you're at now. Also sounds like you expect the new place to rope you into doing a bunch of shit for them that's probably going to cost you more than you save.
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I don't care for the owner at the place where I am. Social aspect is going to suck. My two buddies are going to the new place. I'm leaning towards it. I can always leave if I don't like it. Getting "roped in" I will resist. They would be asking for my professional capabilities. That's $1k per day as a contractor. I'm happy to do my volunteer time.
 
rugger said:
I don't care for the owner at the place where I am. Social aspect is going to suck. My two buddies are going to the new place. I'm leaning towards it. I can always leave if I don't like it. Getting "roped in" I will resist. They would be asking for my professional capabilities. That's $1k per day as a contractor. I'm happy to do my volunteer time.
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That makes more sense. OP made it sound like you weren't unhappy with the current place at all.
 
$300 a month is real good around here. In fact, it’s not around here. That’s why I bought waterfront land. Can’t see paying almost a grand a month and all kinds of rules. Of course, building a dock is not turning out to be very cheap.
 
Any chance you could buy the new club?

Be prepared for people to ruin all the shit you fix and upgrade. We put in 12k worth of internet network at my marina and someone stole it. Put in 10 picnic tables and half of them got ruined. A bunch of landscaping got destroyed. You get what you pay for sort of thing.
 
WaterH said:
$300 a month is real good around here. In fact, it’s not around here. That’s why I bought waterfront land. Can’t see paying almost a grand a month and all kinds of rules. Of course, building a dock is not turning out to be very cheap.
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Just buy an air boat to get out to the mooring and you won't need a dock:idea:
 
WaterH said:
$300 a month is real good around here. In fact, it’s not around here. That’s why I bought waterfront land. Can’t see paying almost a grand a month and all kinds of rules. Of course, building a dock is not turning out to be very cheap.
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$1k a piling at the lake
The club is going to buy a barge with a piling driver. That is going to help tremendously.

Other option is to take a mooring ball for $1600 per year. I don't really want to have to dinghy out to the boat all of the time.
 
I’m a member of s sailing club that’s owned by its members. We are obligated to do a certain amount of service there. Extra documented service will knock the dues down. With few exceptions, most of the members treat it like it’s their own. I’ve never felt pressured to do anything more than anybody else due to extra capabilities. I like it, I wish I had more time to spend there.

All other things be equal I think I would probably choose the club that has more active yachting. They certainly plenty of marinas around that are only a small step above a place for the homeless that happened to own a boat.
 
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Do you have to drink with your pinky up? Yacht Rock is my favorite station on Satellite Radio.

I've always been curious about this lifestyle. Do you own/lease the slip for that annual cost or is there still a monthly cost? Sounds way cheaper than RV life.
 
Ted_Kaczynski said:
I've always been curious about this lifestyle. Do you own/lease the slip for that annual cost or is there still a monthly cost? Sounds way cheaper than RV life.
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At the one I'm considering moving to you pay membership dues and then fees are applied. $1k per year to say that you belong. Then it's another $1k or so for slip rental.
We also have camping/RV spots that can be rented.

Not a bunch of pinky raising at this place, but there are more liberals than I have any use for. :laughing:
The funny thing is that you'd never guess the political affiliation of the half dozen doing all the work. Every one minus possibly one are non liberals.
 
rugger said:
I'm currently at a marina. Annual fees are $3300 per year. It's a yacht club and has nice facilities including a nice pool. The electrical is good and maintained. Docks are great. There are onsite services for boat repairs. The only service that I might use would be bottom paint services (sailboat).

I'm considering a new club. It's a coop type place. Dues are around $2000 per year and one is required to do 8 hours labor per year. Not many do it. Many things are in disrepair. They are worried about raccoons in the attic but not about poor wiring at the docks. I will be able to do my own repairs for things that will benefit me. One option is that I can use club materials and a little of club money to build my own floating dock. I don't mine d the labor.
This club will definitely try to take advantage of my abilities.

Anyone had any luck experiences with clubs like this? The first has a full-time maintenance guy. The second has about 6 people that do all the work but a frozen that are eager to criticize it or the money spent to get things done.
I like the idea if building the best dock at the place and correcting the electrical. The environment and social aspect is much better at the diy club.

Thoughts?
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Does the DIY place have haul out?
Is it on the Bay? If so, sign me up too!
 
I don't have a lot to add, based off the descriptions of both "yacht clubs" you're describing. I kept Traveller at the waterfront docks that the city ran, which had it's perks, but bad shit too, such as always feeling like you were living in a Zoo anytime you were on the boat, cus so many people were walking around wanting to yell and ask questions, etc..
The "yacht club" you're currently at sounds more like McCotter's Marina here. They did my bottom repainting job a couple months ago, but it's a marina, not a club by any stretch. They do boat repair work, and have a bath house/bathroom, but the docks are rickety as shit. No clue on how the electric and all works there. It's a bit cheaper than where I'm docked, which is an actual "yacht and country club". They've got a pool I can use, pump out station, surprisingly cheap diesel fuel, and a clubhouse with a restaurant that has the best fucking food I've ever eaten. It's also a golf course though. No boat work done by the "club" but there is a dockmaster that will adjust lines and all that as wind driven tides change water levels at the dock. He'll also call and tell me of any issues if he sees them.
I can work on my boat here and nobody bitches.. I was working on it today and the dockmaster came up and was like "why aren't you out sailing? oh.. I see, window replacement" then gave a few pointers and walked off. The boat docked right across from me is a 2.3 million dollar yacht.
I pay about 260 a month for slip fees, internet, power, water, etc.. and part of it is for the clubhouse restaurant. So, if I invite guests and actually eat at the restaurant, what i spend there comes off my slip fee for the month:smokin:
 
Never Monday said:
Does the DIY place have haul out?
Is it on the Bay? If so, sign me up too!
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Yesssssss. They have a haul out trolley. Washing and even bottom painting happens on it. Honestly, that's a good point. The place I am now I can't work on my boat on the hard. That will save me some money.
Not on the bay. I'm at Smith Mountain Lake.
 
rugger said:
Yesssssss. They have a haul out trolley. Washing and even bottom painting happens on it. Honestly, that's a good point. The place I am now I can't work on my boat on the hard. That will save me some money.
Not on the bay. I'm at Smith Mountain Lake.
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Pretty wild how we've moved across the continent and still remained fairly close. You were in Conifer, I was in Evergreen. You're in Roanoke, I'm in Morganton. We were within an hour in CO and probably within three hours now.
 
rugger said:
Yesssssss. They have a haul out trolley. Washing and even bottom painting happens on it. Honestly, that's a good point. The place I am now I can't work on my boat on the hard. That will save me some money.
Not on the bay. I'm at Smith Mountain Lake.
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Having the haul out makes up for a shit ton of hassle.

Sucks you’re on SML
 
east_beast said:
Pretty wild how we've moved across the continent and still remained fairly close. You were in Conifer, I was in Evergreen. You're in Roanoke, I'm in Morganton. We were within an hour in CO and probably within three hours now.
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That's pretty crazy.
 
I'd move too. However your actual savings is basically 100 a month so not much to get excited about.
 
Tldr past #1
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Checking back after year 1 for the new slip #
 
toyotajeep said:
I'd move too. However your actual savings is basically 100 a month so not much to get excited about.
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Nah, I gave a total. Apes and apples. Current is $3k total per year. One I likely will move to is $2k. Per year.
 
rugger said:
Yesssssss. They have a haul out trolley. Washing and even bottom painting happens on it. Honestly, that's a good point. The place I am now I can't work on my boat on the hard. That will save me some money.
Not on the bay. I'm at Smith Mountain Lake.
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Unless you can run the haulout crane for free any time you feel like it, and land storage fees are included in the 2000 per year, working on it on the hard is rarely needed. Just saying.
 
Drummer79 said:
Unless you can run the haulout crane for free any time you feel like it, and land storage fees are included in the 2000 per year, working on it on the hard is rarely needed. Just saying.
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Yeah, it's free. There is a waiting list but it's empty except for late spring through fall. It's great for cleaning and doing bottom paint, and thru hulls. One can vault out onto the hard there but you must have a trailer. There is no crane.
 
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