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What is the worst gun in the worst caliber?

Splib said:
So . it can't be Hi Point 9mm because there is a Hi Point .380 Auto. :idea:
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.380 pistol did good , I had bunch problem with 9mm pistol til my buddt finally got it working good.

Hi point carbine kicked ass. No problem hitting 100 yard with 9mm, iron sight. Shoot brass, steel, aluminum, hot loads without issue.
 
Aisin said:
No discernible amount of recoil from 9mm.
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Okay...... And?

Run 9mm through a tiny subcompact and your sore thumb will tell a different story. 😁

But for the new 30 carry, I could see it being a snappy cartridge due to the hot loading. Depending on the gun itself of course too.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Anything 20ga. If you need .410 use .410. If you need more than that use 12ga. Between light 12ga rounds and hot .410 there's no middle point that isn't covered.
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effective range on a 410 is 25 yards, at best. im a big 410 fan but it leaves a very large gap between it and "light 12 gauge". 20 gauge and 28 gauged have places in the field game hunting, with smaller framed guns that are light and handle well. why do i need to carry a full sized 12 guage, when a 20 will do very well against chukar and pheasant. 410 can do it too, but 410 is not a beginner winged or clay target round, its for advanced users. just because recoil is low, the shots have to be more precise. many many guys have gravitated to shooting 28 gauge in skeet and 5 stand and other games because they enjoy it so much with reduced recoil and an easily carried lighter framed gun.


arse_sidewards said:
I'm a big fan of shit like the Hi-Point. Lower bar to entry is better for everyone. An armed society is a polite society. :laughing:
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this point i will agree with, though im not a "fan". we do need lower end entry guns and i dont have a problem with people who want to own hi points

arse_sidewards said:
If enough people buy it all it has to do is not suck too much more than everything else and it'll become a standard. That's basically how the smallblock chevy became popular.
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this analogy is so far off, i cant comprehend how you thought it would apply here. in the 60s, when the small block chevy was born, it became popular because it made good horsepower, was reliable, and there werent a whole lot of other options. there was like 5 car companies for the average american and there were few engine options. most cars you just got the engine you got, and that was that.

contrast that with the caliber situation now and saturated doesnt even begin to describe it. good horsepower and reliable? Yeah, JMB solved that before WWI with the 45 ACP, almost 120 years ago. most of the new pistol cartridges now are just answers looking for problems. the last two major ones that stuck around for a while , 40 SW and 10mm, were developed for law enforcement and were then abandoned (in various capacities) sometime later for various reasons. Bullet tech in 9mm buried the 40 sw and police have been selling those pistols off for 15 years now, and only a select few units in the government LEO use 10mm still. its not a bad round but it didnt set the world on fire.

357 sig, 45 GAP, 30 super carry...

get back to flooding the world with what is being demanded now and then go play with new, inferior chamberings and see if they catch on. what a waste of resources.
 
Texas97 said:
this analogy is so far off, i cant comprehend how you thought it would apply here. in the 60s, when the small block chevy was born, it became popular because it made good horsepower, was reliable, and there werent a whole lot of other options. there was like 5 car companies for the average american and there were few engine options. most cars you just got the engine you got, and that was that.
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I knew that part would trigger some fanboy. :flipoff2:

"You got the engine you got" is exactly why the SBC is popular. In typical GM fashion it got slapped in all sorts of cheap shit that made it highly accessible at a low price point and GM spent a bunch of money ensuring the aftermarket picked it up. Initially there was nothing to recommend it other than the price of the turds wrapped around it. The Buick (better block in many ways) and Olds (better critical dimensions/head potential), AMC (also better block design), LA and FE (more durable engines all around) all had various legs up on it in terms of performance.

If Federal spends a ton of money greasing palms to ensure their new cartridge is supported in entry level guns then it may very well pick up steam and become a serious cartridge despite being a good-for nothing turd with nothing special to recommend it, just like the SBC.

I agree it's a massive waste of resources but there's defintily a well trodden path to it catching on. If you're gonna start producing a new cartridge a time when people are buying anything they can get their hands on is the right time to do it.
 
Yotota said:
Okay...... And?

Run 9mm through a tiny subcompact and your sore thumb will tell a different story. 😁

But for the new 30 carry, I could see it being a snappy cartridge due to the hot loading. Depending on the gun itself of course too.
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Sore thumb from 9mm:lmao::lmao: I have probably 3500 rounds of 9mm thru my Glock 26. Not once have I ever had a sore thumb.
 
Aisin said:
Sore thumb from 9mm:lmao::lmao: I have probably 3500 rounds of 9mm thru my Glock 26. Not once have I ever had a sore thumb.
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Congrats, you earned a cookie.

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G26 ain't a subcompact... That's a chonky little boy at like 22oz empty.

Shoot some defensive rounds through a skinny 14-15oz 9mm like a Kahr or a Rohrbaugh or a Kel-tec. Not even +P. That shit is unpleasant after a hundred rounds or so.
 
Texas97 said:
this analogy is so far off, i cant comprehend how you thought it would apply here. in the 60s, when the small block chevy was born, i
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1955. Not here or there regarding this thread but... That was just bugging me... :flipoff2:

Carry on...
 
FrankenToy said:
1955. Not here or there regarding this thread but... That was just bugging me... :flipoff2:

Carry on...
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even better. makes my point that there was less options for why the small block chevy became popular.
 
FrankenToy said:
1955. Not here or there regarding this thread but... That was just bugging me... :flipoff2:

Carry on...
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Hey genius, you realize that the SBC wasn't anywhere near as dominant back then, right? It wasn't until the late 60s that it really started to be obviously more popular than any other V8.
 
arse_sidewards said:
If Federal spends a ton of money greasing palms to ensure their new cartridge is supported in entry level guns then it may very well pick up steam and become a serious cartridge despite being a good-for nothing turd with nothing special to recommend it, just like the SBC.
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you're making my point for me. the SBC was not a "good-for nothing turd" in the 50/60s and its lack of competition in volume from other manufacturers made it a no-brainer for the aftermarket to pick up. There are dozens upon dozens of alternatives to the 30 super carry that have been established for decades, if not centuries. in no way does this compare to the small block chevy from the 50s/60s.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Hey genius, you realize that the SBC wasn't anywhere near as dominant back then, right? It wasn't until the late 60s that it really started to be obviously more popular than any other V8.
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If having the facts correct makes me a genius then so be it... And, thanks for the compliment.
 
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grumpy356 said:
What's the worst gun?

I'm guessing a Lorcin .25.
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That's the worst gun I've ever personally shot. Rack, bang, stovepipe. Rack, bang, stovepipe...all the way down the mag.

Was going to cut it in half, but my cop buddy said, "Hell no, put that bitch on consignment at NFA and some hood rat will buy it. We love those dead-man guns on the street."
 
Texas97 said:
you're making my point for me. the SBC was not a "good-for nothing turd" in the 50/60s and its lack of competition in volume from other manufacturers made it a no-brainer for the aftermarket to pick up.
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You just don't get it. Look at production numbers. There was no shortage of other v8s. Chevy just stuck them in cheap throwaway cars that young guys could buy first and second hand.

GM dumped a ton of money at the aftermarket to get them to pick it up and support it so those young guys would have parts to bolt on. If Federal does basically the same and gets guns offered in its new caliber and the ammo is readily available...

Texas97 said:
There are dozens upon dozens of alternatives to the 30 super carry that have been established for decades, if not centuries. in no way does this compare to the small block chevy from the 50s/60s.
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If federal dumps that shit out in volume and it's readily available going forward expect to see it get a foothold.
 
My brother has a 25 auto that my dad gave to him. My dad bought it on vacation in the late 80s. It was made in Florida. I cannot remember who made it. I shot it a few years ago. I remember it was nothing but stovepipes. I’ll have to ask him about it.
 
Aisin said:
My brother has a 25 auto that my dad gave to him. My dad bought it on vacation in the late 80s. It was made in Florida. I cannot remember who made it. I shot it a few years ago. I remember it was nothing but stovepipes. I’ll have to ask him about it.
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Kel-Tec possibly.
 
arse_sidewards said:
You just don't get it. Look at production numbers. There was no shortage of other v8s. Chevy just stuck them in cheap throwaway cars that young guys could buy first and second hand.

GM dumped a ton of money at the aftermarket to get them to pick it up and support it so those young guys would have parts to bolt on. If Federal does basically the same and gets guns offered in its new caliber and the ammo is readily available...


If federal dumps that shit out in volume and it's readily available going forward expect to see it get a foothold.
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Federal is injecting a failure of a cartridge like you're injecting your failure of an analogy into this thread.:flipoff2: I mean, not injecting, but 2 barrel carburating your analogy into this thread.
 
Titan .25
 

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Hi-point is definitely one of those things you hear about being awful by everyone that hasn’t actually owned one lol . First pistol I bought because it’s all I could afford at the time was a HP . Had very low expectations . There were several of us that bought them around that time . It was hideous but it never once malfunctioned nor did any of the others in our group no matter how hard we tried . Don’t have the pistol anymore but love my carbine !! Worst I ever personally owned was a chiappa 1911-22 . I couldn’t find a way to possibly make that thing fire an entire mag .
 
Texas97 said:
There are dozens upon dozens of alternatives to the 30 super carry that have been established for decades, if not centuries.
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The first thing I thought of when I learned about this new cartridge was Tokarev 7.62x25
 
subybaja said:
My dad bought a Jennings .22 at a show for $40. It seemed to operate smoothly, so he took it out in the yard to kill some cans.

First shot, the slide hit him in the chest and all the internal components spread themselves across the strawberry patch. They are there to this day.

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Hmm... My old man has two of those... Never a problem.. Thousands of rounds shot between them.. Well except when he tried to use "cheap" Winchester ammo... 6 out of ten would jam... (not enough power to cycle it) Which I picked up and ran thru my bolt action rifle... 100% fired just fine..
 
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