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US Navy warship commander relieved of duty following image of him shooting rifle with scope mounted backward

Back prolly 20 years ago (well before the gays and trannys were allowed) we were processing to deploy and some SMsgt was put in charge of all of us.

Short "lady" maybe 5ft and pushing 300lbs, man hair cut, gruff voice. Very much looked like a dude.

We had to go find her to give an ID to go piss. (Don't know... they were scared people were going to go AWOL or something)

One of our guys, goes over and "sir, I need to use the bathroom"

GODAMMIT, FOR THE LAST TIME...... IT'S MAAAAMMMMMMM.... Course that attracts attention and place goes silent.

A1C.... "ohhh..... uhhhh.... are you sure???"

Whole place, easily 400 people, busted out laughing. Bulldog lady stormed off, never saw her again.
 
DRTDEVL said:
Yeah, to outsiders he seems legit, but to military types? :laughing:

I got an MSM for a retirement award as an enlisted guy, officer-types get them as PCS awards (participation trophies). NMCCOM = ARCOM, I'd have to look, but I had 5 or 6 of them while I was in. NMCAM = AAM, I got 6 or 7 of these while in as well.

Note the lack of actual awards listed; for an o-type to not have a bronze star is pretty telling... means he never served in a real deployment. Any O-3 and up got one as a participation trophy when deployed to a combat zone. Meanwhile, enlisted types got AAM/NMCAMs or ARCOM/NMCCOMs for combat deployments. Heck, one time, I cot a Certificate of Appreciation for 14 months of running gun trucks in Iraq (I pissed in the BC and CSM's Cheerios).
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I've seen all sides of it and kinda unfair to paint so broadly.

Generally speaking, officers have more responsibilities than enlisted do. Just the way it is. There's a reason why everyone gets on line when some dipshit E4 loses a rifle during a field exercise. That E4 won't have his career ended. His O6/O7 in the chain will. They are the ones that truly signed for and carry ownership. Same thing with losing classified hard drives and other big $ items.

So because of that, by nature, an officer doing a 6 month deployment shoulders more responsibility than an enlisted member of similar time in service does for the same time span. So it's natural that the officer gets the award commiserate to the level of responsibility.

That said, if they don't have a V device in their award, I DGAF what you have on your official record. Have seen plenty, plenty of enlisted get AAMs and shit for exchanging oxygen into carbon dioxide. Have also seen many enlisted members get shorted on awards too. Useless ribbons on your uniform is of no indicator of ones performance or ability.
 
Otto M@n said:
Generally speaking, officers have more responsibilities than enlisted do. Just the way it is. There's a reason why everyone gets on line when some dipshit E4 loses a rifle during a field exercise. That E4 won't have his career ended. His O6/O7 in the chain will. They are the ones that truly signed for and carry ownership. Same thing with losing classified hard drives and other big $ items.

So because of that, by nature, an officer doing a 6 month deployment shoulders more responsibility than an enlisted member of similar time in service does for the same time span. So it's natural that the officer gets the award commiserate to the level of responsibility.
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How about this:

1LT (O-2) has a Negligent Discharge. Memorandum or Reprimand in her restricted fiche.

Sgt (E-5) has a Soldier who had a Negligent Discharge into a clearing barrel. SGT brought up on charges of Dereliction for Duty for not properly training the Soldier, even though the Soldier had successfully cleared his weapon hundreds of times in the 7 prior months of the deployment. SGT demands trial by Courts-Martial, objects to summary proceedings, BDE legal can't take it to trial so a Memorandum of Reprimand is placed in his restricted fiche instead.

O-2 gets Bronze Star at the end of the deployment. E-5 gets Certificate of Appreciation for refusing to bend over and take the train up the ass.

Yeah, that's how I pissed in their cheerios. I did nothing wrong, yet was brought up on charges for another person's actions so the BC could make an example out of someone. I fought them off successfully, but had my deployment ARCOM pulled and replaced by the certificate and an ETS AAM (they thought I was going to lose the Courts-Martial and be forced out for being beyond the retention control point for E4). After my PCS award was rejected by DA I found out about the ETS AAM that was submitted for the same time period and mailed to my residence 18 months later.

I would say that running a team of gun trucks out the wire every night to escort convoys of troops and supplies safely though Baghdad and Sadr City was a hell of a lot more responsibility than the paper-pushing O-2 in the BN Aid Station (Medical Administration and Records) who never left the wire... but none of us got anything more than an ARCOM (well, there were some CABs and Purple Hearts involved) running these security teams while every officer in the air-conditioned HQ got a Bronze Star.:flipoff:
 
Otto M@n said:
So because of that, by nature, an officer doing a 6 month deployment shoulders more responsibility than an enlisted member of similar time in service does for the same time span. So it's natural that the officer gets the award commiserate to the level of responsibility.
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spoken like a true officer :homer::laughing:
 
Otto M@n said:
Useless ribbons on your uniform is of no indicator of ones performance or ability.
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Me and another guy I served with were once put in for an ARCOM because we were the only ones who didn't go down to a local place to eat and therefore didn't get the food poisoning everyone else who did go did. The two of us spent an inordinate amount of time awake running the operations tent during a "training" (😏) mission over the next few days.

Later on, (as I was told) we didn't get the ARCOMs because officially there was no mission (or some such BS, personally, I just think that no one wanted to be bothered with the paperwork). Me and the other guy were so distraught over it, we got drunk that Friday night.... oh wait, we got drunk every Friday night. :rasta:


ARCOMs and AAMs tend to be handed out for basically doing one's job (depending on the job and the "operation"). Like you said, unless there's a V device attached, it doesn't typically mean much.
 
DRTDEVL said:
How about this:

1LT (O-2) has a Negligent Discharge. Memorandum or Reprimand in her restricted fiche.

Sgt (E-5) has a Soldier who had a Negligent Discharge into a clearing barrel. SGT brought up on charges of Dereliction for Duty for not properly training the Soldier, even though the Soldier had successfully cleared his weapon hundreds of times in the 7 prior months of the deployment. SGT demands trial by Courts-Martial, objects to summary proceedings, BDE legal can't take it to trial so a Memorandum of Reprimand is placed in his restricted fiche instead.

O-2 gets Bronze Star at the end of the deployment. E-5 gets Certificate of Appreciation for refusing to bend over and take the train up the ass.

Yeah, that's how I pissed in their cheerios. I did nothing wrong, yet was brought up on charges for another person's actions so the BC could make an example out of someone. I fought them off successfully, but had my deployment ARCOM pulled and replaced by the certificate and an ETS AAM (they thought I was going to lose the Courts-Martial and be forced out for being beyond the retention control point for E4). After my PCS award was rejected by DA I found out about the ETS AAM that was submitted for the same time period and mailed to my residence 18 months later.

I would say that running a team of gun trucks out the wire every night to escort convoys of troops and supplies safely though Baghdad and Sadr City was a hell of a lot more responsibility than the paper-pushing O-2 in the BN Aid Station (Medical Administration and Records) who never left the wire... but none of us got anything more than an ARCOM (well, there were some CABs and Purple Hearts involved) running these security teams while every officer in the air-conditioned HQ got a Bronze Star.:flipoff:
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O2 was banging the BC so double standards apply.

Approaching service limits as an E4? You got bigger problems than some awards, big dawg :laughing::homer:
 
From what you know …. …. Do you feel she is qualified and a good selection for the position?
 
Otto M@n said:
O2 was banging the BC so double standards apply.

Approaching service limits as an E4? You got bigger problems than some awards, big dawg :laughing::homer:
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Read it again. They were sure they would win, therefore I would have been reduced to E-4. Being that I won, I was reinstated, got my (P) back, and made SSG.:flipoff2:
 
landscraper said:
Read about this on X last night. He's been replaced with an LGBTBBQ type.
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It was the plan all along.
They needed a reason.
Stage photo op, distract him, hand him a rifle set up wrong on purpose and rush him to pose for a pic.
Then nuke him and replace him with a member of correct think.

-1 normal white man, + 1 freak. Piece by piece they rearrange the world.
 
Levigarrett76 said:
Why the fuck is any branch of military posting on social media?
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Have you seen the facebook posts by police departments?
Bragging about catching a Lambo going 10 over, bragging about $1,000 tickets for hanging out during "stay at home" orders, etc.

It's like all social media is run by some stupid teenage girl mentalities.
 
Has anybody considered he has really good eyesight?







Seriously, did he post the pic? I don’t follow how shouldering a incorrect rifle is grounds for dismissal.
 
rockmup said:
And he was firing it based on the shells in the air. Sight picture would have been what, the size of a #2 pencil ?
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Looks like a LPVO. If it was on 1x he likely wouldn't have noticed anything. Turning it up making things get smaller instead of bigger would have been a clue.

Likely it was set on 1x, and he shouldered it, looked for water, and ripped some rounds off into the ocean without another thought.


I mean, he may be dumb as a post, but it's not like he was looking though a 50x target scope backwards.:laughing:
 
m016324 said:
That's funny I went to school with her definitely a chick.
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Did she look like Chris Elliott from Cabin Boy back then?

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WaterH said:
Has anybody considered he has really good eyesight?

Seriously, did he post the pic? I don’t follow how shouldering a incorrect rifle is grounds for dismissal.
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One could argue since he is the top dog in Command, he should notice things like that. If the only pressure is some press guy shoving a rifle at him to take a shot for a photo op, hows he gonna do when the SHTF and the pressure is a wee bit higher?
 
GM Guy said:
One could argue since he is the top dog in Command, he should notice things like that. If the only pressure is some press guy shoving a rifle at him to take a shot for a photo op, hows he gonna do when the SHTF and the pressure is a wee bit higher?
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Alternatively i don't expect the commander of a guided missile destroyer to be an expert in small arms.
If dudes picking up a rifle shit has already gone real sideways
 
Why is a full on captaint going to be captain of a detroyer? Unless it's a recent promotion I guess. For the experience maybe? After reading her service bio could be she's fast tracked for the one inch sleeve gold bar and a star on the collar. Or that is high as she will ever get. We white hats play(ed) by an entirely different set of rules.
Read rently of a female commander that was captain of a ship relieved of command. Basically for being a biotch.
 
GM Guy said:
One could argue since he is the top dog in Command, he should notice things like that. If the only pressure is some press guy shoving a rifle at him to take a shot for a photo op, hows he gonna do when the SHTF and the pressure is a wee bit higher?
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That view would be a lot more legitimate if the military didn't have a hard-on for trannys.
 
He was looking at water through the scope. I imagine water looks exactly the same one direction or the other….blue.
 
Spreader said:
Why is a full on captaint going to be captain of a detroyer? Unless it's a recent promotion I guess. For the experience maybe? After reading her service bio could be she's fast tracked for the one inch sleeve gold bar and a star on the collar. Or that is high as she will ever get. We white hats play(ed) by an entirely different set of rules.
Read rently of a female commander that was captain of a ship relieved of command. Basically for being a biotch.
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She's a back up taking that role is temporary until they find someone else to take command. Happens when people get relieved of command for something like this instead of the normal process.

"Did she look like Chris Elliott from Cabin Boy back then?"

She did not look like Chris Elliot she was very similar looking 25 years ago maybe a few pounds less. But honestly I recognized her instantly from her photo in the link above. We were in the same major and she was a year older than me. We had a couple 300/400 level classes together my sophomore and junior year. Those classes were usually 8-12 people you knew everyone.

-ben
 
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