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I am looking to buy a 2023 F250 or GMC 2500. The truck will share commuting duties with my Wrangler to my office (about 66 miles round trip but I only go in every other day or so) and will haul my Jeep and possibly another wrangler for a 6-8 offroad trips each year. It needs to be crew cab to haul the kids and the 6 ft bed to fit in my parking garage at work. 4wd is also mandatory.

Which brand and which engine? I was leaning toward the 7.3 F250 Lariat but the fuel mileage sounds terrible.
 
Ford 7.3 for what you're doing.

We have a 22 and 23 GM at work, and I just don't like them. Mostly feel and design as they're too new to know if they're reliable or not. They FINALLY moved the def tank from right behind the passenger tire.

You're spending ~$75k on a truck, does mileage really matter that much? Not like one is 10 mpg and one is 25 mpg
 
Ford 7.3 for what you're doing.

We have a 22 and 23 GM at work, and I just don't like them. Mostly feel and design as they're too new to know if they're reliable or not. They FINALLY moved the def tank from right behind the passenger tire.

You're spending ~$75k on a truck, does mileage really matter that much? Not like one is 10 mpg and one is 25 mpg
Mileage affects range and 350 miles seems low.
 
Probably which ever one you want.

The superior drivetrain is the Ford, same 10 speed transmission as the diesel with gas adjustments.

The GM 6.6 gas will have a 6 speed gas duty transmission.
 
My 7.3 cclb 4x4 7.3 gets 16ish on the highway if you can keep it under 75. Lifetimes average is right at 14 mixed across the fleet over 110k miles.
 
What are you towing and how often?

A half ton that's not as idiot proof will save you a ton of coin over the life of the vehicle...
 
If you get a gasser get the lowest gears you can. Let em sing.

I just regeared my 6.7 to 4.3 and it's so much better than the 3.55s for towing, especially with the 37s.
 
If you get a gasser get the lowest gears you can. Let em sing.

I just regeared my 6.7 to 4.3 and it's so much better than the 3.55s for towing, especially with the 37s.

I don't think gears matter near as much with these 10 speeds. Almost 5:1 first gear, 3 over drives with 6 gears between. gunracer1 got the highway gears and tows heavy with his 7.3.

1/2t might work, but I think he mentioned pulling 2 rigs? Might be pushing it :confused:
 
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I have a 22 f250 with the 7.3 ccsb with 4.30 gears and i am averaging 11.5 mostly around town. It pulls my 30' goosneck with 2 jeep (about 17k) just fine. You could get the 3.73 gears and get a little better fuel economy though. Towing 17k around 75mph I get about 9.5mpg
I love the truck and didnt buy it for mpg's
 
When I was buying I wouldn't look at the Chevy. My last chevy was such a turd I didn't want another. I think they are pretty ugly too.
while you're driving down the interstate take notice of what people are towing with. Seems like it's most are Rams with Fords in a very close second. I haven't seen a whole lot of GMs towing on my travels.


Between a ram 2500 and an F250, I wanted the ford, especially in that tri-coat red they have. But equally optioned they wanted $10,000 more for the ford. With ford's historically depreciating faster than a ram I wasn't willing to shell out more for a pretty red truck that won't be worth as much as the competition in a couple of years.

My goal was to buy a truck and keep it until I die or they make a completely self driving truck. So I was pretty specific with the option list. I ended up with a "cowboy Cadillac" of a ram.

Mine is a 2019 I bought new for $63,500. I stuck with the Laramie package because I wanted a black headliner and I hate the chrome bits on the limited. I stayed with the 8.4" screen, after spending 15 minutes in one with the giant screen I realized it wasn't for me. I like physical buttons. It has the off road package, sunroof, heated and cooled seats, adaptive cruise, etc. I opted for no running boards so I could add a set of AMP research motorized steps, they tuck under the body better than the factory ones. I didn't get the air ride, I'd consider that if I were doing it again.

I DIY the maintenance, so it's not much more than a gas truck. It gets 20 mpg unloaded, between 11 and 12 with 10,000 pounds of enclosed trailer behind it headed from Louisville to the Rubicon and back. I think the aero of the enclosed trailer is the bigger factor than weight, I went to California with the trailer empty, maintained 13-14 including through the mountains of Colorado.

I've not driven the 7.3 gas, and I recognize that modern gas engines can be fantastic, but I don't think I'd consider that over a diesel. When I start seeing gas powered ambulances, fire trucks, straight trucks, and other heavy vehicles that work hard I'll reconsider.

Don't short yourself on the adaptive cruise. It takes a lot of the annoyance of interstate driving away. My truck will bring itself to a stop on the adaptive cruise, and it even works well with a trailer. I probably have used it for at least 20,000 miles now. I was skeptical at first but not any more. It works really well.

If something happens to this truck I'd pretty much be ordering the same truck as a replacement. I have 45,000 on it and I'll have it 4 years this August.

Hopefully something in here helps, but I think it devolved into rambling. Here's a pic.

 

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I don't think gears matter near as much with these 10 speeds. Almost 5:1 first gear, 3 over drives with 6 gears between. gunracer1 got the highway gears and tows heavy with his 7.3.

1/2t might work, but I think he mentioned pulling 2 rigs? Might be pushing it :confused:


did you miss that he's running 37inch tires? gears do matter.
just get an eco boost 150, right :flipoff2:
 
I am looking to buy a 2023 F250 or GMC 2500. The truck will share commuting duties with my Wrangler to my office (about 66 miles round trip but I only go in every other day or so) and will haul my Jeep and possibly another wrangler for a 6-8 offroad trips each year. It needs to be crew cab to haul the kids and the 6 ft bed to fit in my parking garage at work. 4wd is also mandatory.

Which brand and which engine? I was leaning toward the 7.3 F250 Lariat but the fuel mileage sounds terrible.

there is no more magic to fuel mileage. in the 90's some rigs where that much better than others depending on the need. todays newer trucks you need to forget about all the blowhard bullshit of i get " insert bullshit" mpg. for the most part doing the same work at same speeds the mpgs are not a deciding factor.
just get the motor needed to do the job in the platform you find the most comfortable. and again stay away from a diesel, it will never ever ever pencil out for costs. never.

diesel is an emotional option in light duty trucks anymore, a novelty.
 
diesel is an emotional option in light duty trucks anymore, a novelty.

Depends where you live/drive. Near sea level, I would agree, gasser. Pulling a goose over mountain passes above 10k ft? I will take the turbodiesel.

Rarely tow and cant be bothered with cold weather diesel challenges, go gasser.
 
Depends where you live/drive. Near sea level, I would agree, gasser. Pulling a goose over mountain passes above 10k ft? I will take the turbodiesel.

Rarely tow and cant be bothered with cold weather diesel challenges, go gasser.
i regularly tow around 3-7k ft drive 10-20k miles a year with a camper all over the west coast. 18-20k gross
i would also take the turbo diesel all things the same. but considering the costs ive never owned any diesel other than the 7.3. no doubt the modern diesel is the biggest hammer for the job but at what cost?


i want to sit in a comfy seat, i dont care if i hold the pedal to the floor whatever is going to do the job for the best value i'll drive. past 5yrs have been ford 5.4 and 6.2 all cost considered no diesel could touch the operating cost.

under 26k gross, maybe more, a new diesel tow rig is an emotional choice not a financial one.
 
I agree with the majority of the thread as someone who has had a 6.7 and now a few 7.3s and is a 12v lover there’s no reason to own a diesel unless your one ton plus and loaded 100% of the time. The cost of buy in and ownership just doesn’t add up over the life of the vehicle.

That said once the alumdutys are going to salvage/parting for reasonable money I will have no qualms upgrading my fleet if 12 valves that have all sorts of wiring/Dodge issued and swapping them into a modern chassis.
 
Depends where you live/drive. Near sea level, I would agree, gasser. Pulling a goose over mountain passes above 10k ft? I will take the turbodiesel.

Rarely tow and cant be bothered with cold weather diesel challenges, go gasser.

How many are really towing over 10k ft regularly? :laughing:

There is also a video of a guy towing a backhoe on goose in Colorado with a new 7.3. Something like a 25k lb trailer and it was doing just fine. He even said the mileage wasn't too far off the 4500 cummins he had used before.

I do agree, there is a point where diesel makes sense. I gross ~38k lbs in my F550 at work and live in mountains. It has a hard enough time as it is, I don't th2id want a gas engine :laughing:
 
Work hard?

Towing a 10k lb trailer is not hard work for any modern 3/4t or 1t. It's not even that bad for most half tons :laughing:

My experience with a 10k trailer on a gas engine was 5-6 MPG @ 5k RPM. Maybe on the flats but in the mountains gas engines suck. My diesel gets 10 MPG and tow without drama.

Any of the big 3 diesel options will work for the OP. I have 18 Ram 6.7 and plan on keeping it.
 
My experience with a 10k trailer on a gas engine was 5-6 MPG @ 5k RPM. Maybe on the flats but in the mountains gas engines suck. My diesel gets 10 MPG and tow without drama.

Any of the big 3 diesel options will work for the OP. I have 18 Ram 6.7 and plan on keeping it.

you clearly need a 1/2 ton turboed v6... way-mo-betta.
 
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