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The world is running out of sand

Dessert sand.... Yeah I can see that.

How about the desert? :flipoff2::laughing:


I'm not watching an hour of panic to hear that this sand is different than that sand.
desert sand is different. It’s round from being blown around all the time whereas other sand has jagged edges. You can’t stack round balls like you can jagged objects and things won’t adhere to desert sand like making concrete.

For fawks sake, have an open mind and watch the video, you juuuust might learn something out of it… well, maybe not you. :laughing:
 
desert sand is different. It’s round from being blown around all the time whereas other sand has jagged edges. You can’t stack round balls like you can jagged objects and things won’t adhere to desert sand like making concrete.

For fawks sake, have an open mind and watch the video, you juuuust might learn something out of it… well, maybe not you. :laughing:


I have better things to do like talk shit about sand :flipoff2:

You're telling me that it gets round blowing around, but not rolling around the ocean?

There's a ton of other options. They just won't explore them until they're economically viable.

Locally we have rock quarries that are primarily granite, and they have a ton of sand that they sift out that goes across the yard to the concrete batch plant. It's not cheap, but they're already crushing for various road mixes and concrete gravel anyways.
 
Fun fact about sand.

The number of sand grains on earth are outnumbered by the amount of IPv6 addresses...

Would have been cool of the guy counting the grains of sand to grind the edges back on them.
 
Some of you guys need to start using the vacuum cleaner to get all the sand out of your vaginas & replenish sorely needed areas-
 
Researchers found saharan sand in underwater caves in the Caribbean

A large % of the sand in Florida came from the Sahara. It blows across the Atlantic every year. The sand can actually interfere with the formation of hurricanes.

I can't remember shit I want to remember, but stupid stuff like that stays forever.:shaking:
 
Let’s see…. so far I’ve lived through sky is falling scenarios of oil running out, ozone depletion, acid rain gonna destroy everything, every tv show and movie depicting quicksand as the #1 concern in nature, and of course the Bermuda Triangle causing all air and sea travelers to disappear. Now you’re telling me we’re running out of sand?
 
As a sand and gravel guy yes I can see how we are running out of sand. The real problem is we developed over all the good deposits and now are having trouble finding areas that can be permitted for new pits.

It’s getting bad in the metropolitan areas. The concrete guys in Green Bay are having to haul sand 40 miles to supply the batch plants. They also have the issue of having to watch the sources because along Lake Michigan the sand is full of schist / lightweight material and that’s no good for concrete.

I screen between 100-200k tons of sand in a pit every year. That sand gets hauled to greenbay and the Appleton area over 40 miles one way for the concrete guys.

There is a fine balance of sand having round particles and sand having sharp particles. Concrete guys like the more rounded river sands whereas the asphalt guys want the all fractured stuff.

I got fired from one of the block plants I supply sand to. My natural occurring sand is from a glacial deposit so naturally it’s on the more fractured side. The block guys have one machine that use a dry batch, and press process to make the pavers. When they shake and press concrete with my sand the blocks actually were 5-8 lbs lighter. That was from the sharp sand not wanting to flow into all the crevices during the 15 sec of vibration. This then caused the break strength to drop to 9000 psi vs the 11000 they were getting from the river sand supplier.

Now the asphalt plants are just the opposite they love the sand with fracture in it. It’s what makes good strong blacktop. I actually have got over 12,000 ton of manufactured sand sold to these guys for the year. This is the sand we make when crushing stone down. This sand is expensive to make between it being slow to make, takes lots of fuel and wear parts.

Desert and beach sand suck for concrete and asphalt because it is so uniform in size. The aggregate market wants a wide range of sized particles in the sand to make good materials.

Smart guys would be buying up large tracts of ground that has good aggregate reserves underneath them. 50 years from now that property will be worth more than a gold mine.
 
This was before my time but stories of brick making yards/towns used to dot along the Hudson River, supplying NYC with good bricks.

Any abandoned sand pit was great for riding dirt bikes & 4 wheeling-
 
Fun "facts" found on Internet:

Weak.

No one has or likely ever will hold the exact same arrangement of 52 cards as you did during that game. It seems unbelievable, but there are somewhere in the range of 8x10*67 ways to sort a deck of cards. That's an 8 followed by 67 zeros

If my math is good (and it's probably not :laughing:) then:

2.9x10*41 times more ways to shuffle deck of cards than "sand on earth"
 
What a massive pile of bullhockey. Documentaries being made by the brainless and thoughtless. So much inaccurate, misleading info cooked together with flat lies. Trash.

Don't forget the people that post them on offroad forums with sensationalized titles.
 
As a sand and gravel guy yes I can see how we are running out of sand. The real problem is we developed over all the good deposits and now are having trouble finding areas that can be permitted for new pits.

It’s getting bad in the metropolitan areas. The concrete guys in Green Bay are having to haul sand 40 miles to supply the batch plants. They also have the issue of having to watch the sources because along Lake Michigan the sand is full of schist / lightweight material and that’s no good for concrete.

I screen between 100-200k tons of sand in a pit every year. That sand gets hauled to greenbay and the Appleton area over 40 miles one way for the concrete guys.

There is a fine balance of sand having round particles and sand having sharp particles. Concrete guys like the more rounded river sands whereas the asphalt guys want the all fractured stuff.

I got fired from one of the block plants I supply sand to. My natural occurring sand is from a glacial deposit so naturally it’s on the more fractured side. The block guys have one machine that use a dry batch, and press process to make the pavers. When they shake and press concrete with my sand the blocks actually were 5-8 lbs lighter. That was from the sharp sand not wanting to flow into all the crevices during the 15 sec of vibration. This then caused the break strength to drop to 9000 psi vs the 11000 they were getting from the river sand supplier.

Now the asphalt plants are just the opposite they love the sand with fracture in it. It’s what makes good strong blacktop. I actually have got over 12,000 ton of manufactured sand sold to these guys for the year. This is the sand we make when crushing stone down. This sand is expensive to make between it being slow to make, takes lots of fuel and wear parts.

Desert and beach sand suck for concrete and asphalt because it is so uniform in size. The aggregate market wants a wide range of sized particles in the sand to make good materials.

Smart guys would be buying up large tracts of ground that has good aggregate reserves underneath them. 50 years from now that property will be worth more than a gold mine.


What the price of your natural sand vs. manufactured?


Around here, manufactured is probably in range of 20-30% cheaper than natural. The DOT requires natural only in concrete paving and bridge decks (anything that sees traffic). Everything else gets natural because it's cheaper. I think the hot mix guys have to use natural too.
 
What the price of your natural sand vs. manufactured?


Around here, manufactured is probably in range of 20-30% cheaper than natural. The DOT requires natural only in concrete paving and bridge decks (anything that sees traffic). Everything else gets natural because it's cheaper. I think the hot mix guys have to use natural too.
Natural is 1/2 the price of manufactured. We have lots of sand left in our area.
 
As a sand and gravel guy yes I can see how we are running out of sand. The real problem is we developed over all the good deposits and now are having trouble finding areas that can be permitted for new pits.

It’s getting bad in the metropolitan areas. The concrete guys in Green Bay are having to haul sand 40 miles to supply the batch plants. They also have the issue of having to watch the sources because along Lake Michigan the sand is full of schist / lightweight material and that’s no good for concrete.

I screen between 100-200k tons of sand in a pit every year. That sand gets hauled to greenbay and the Appleton area over 40 miles one way for the concrete guys.

There is a fine balance of sand having round particles and sand having sharp particles. Concrete guys like the more rounded river sands whereas the asphalt guys want the all fractured stuff.

I got fired from one of the block plants I supply sand to. My natural occurring sand is from a glacial deposit so naturally it’s on the more fractured side. The block guys have one machine that use a dry batch, and press process to make the pavers. When they shake and press concrete with my sand the blocks actually were 5-8 lbs lighter. That was from the sharp sand not wanting to flow into all the crevices during the 15 sec of vibration. This then caused the break strength to drop to 9000 psi vs the 11000 they were getting from the river sand supplier.

Now the asphalt plants are just the opposite they love the sand with fracture in it. It’s what makes good strong blacktop. I actually have got over 12,000 ton of manufactured sand sold to these guys for the year. This is the sand we make when crushing stone down. This sand is expensive to make between it being slow to make, takes lots of fuel and wear parts.

Desert and beach sand suck for concrete and asphalt because it is so uniform in size. The aggregate market wants a wide range of sized particles in the sand to make good materials.

Smart guys would be buying up large tracts of ground that has good aggregate reserves underneath them. 50 years from now that property will be worth more than a gold mine.
awesome post.
 
As a sand and gravel guy yes I can see how we are running out of sand. The real problem is we developed over all the good deposits and now are having trouble finding areas that can be permitted for new pits.
That is just an issue of economics resulting from poor urban/development planning. Not a situation of running out of sand worldwide like the stupid documentary is suggesting.

Expensive sand is only expensive until you have to truck it further and it suddenly becomes even more expensive. But that cost is primarily the trucking, not the sand itself. There is still peee-lenty of sand, just not where you want it to be.

In colorado, we have lots of clay or sandy clays. Sand and gravel exist along the riverways or historic waterways that may now be dry. But only in certain places. Unfortunately those are also the places people want to live. The realization came on fairly early that once a site is built, well you cant use the resource under it cause fo the fuggin building on it. Evaluating for deposits in the area of new development is mandatory now in most places to avoid the situation of locking out some economically viable resource. Regardless, still gotta truck it to where you need it.

And the idea of "sure there is sand, but the quality sand is all gone" is also bullshit. It still exists, just elsewhere. Crushing/making sand can be cheaper than long distance trucking if you need particluar qualities. Just cause we "make" sand, doesnt in any way mean it is running out. Engineering construction materials tends to lead to the need for very specific qualities. It can be easier just to make a sand product through screening/blending or crushing down from other source to get what is needed. Or... it can be simply due to a material supply has to carry a certification that only comes from a "man-made" product line. DOTs are have bad habits on that, requiring something to be unnecessarily consistent and approved, well that can only come from a production pit as no one will cert a natural deposit cause mother nature isnt consistent enough to satisfy some need.

The doc made a huge deal about whole beaches disappearing cause native dudes with donkeys were stealing it like that is some evidence of a depleted resource. No you dumb fukker! They are building something, need sand and OH LOOK, a beach right there! Transpo is on donkeys so they arent gonna look for a source 30 miles away. So the beach got stripped. I betcha a billion bucks, there are plenty of nice sandy beaches just down the coast outside of donkey range. It is so incredibly common through antiquity to select the location for a major structure simply due to the nearby resources. We do it completely backward in modern times to decide to build on a location just cause, then have to truck every board and stone crazy distances and bitch about carbonfootprints and jackassery.

Ok. Friday rant off. Back to work.:beer:
 
Let’s see…. so far I’ve lived through sky is falling scenarios of oil running out, ozone depletion, acid rain gonna destroy everything, every tv show and movie depicting quicksand as the #1 concern in nature, and of course the Bermuda Triangle causing all air and sea travelers to disappear. Now you’re telling me we’re running out of sand?
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